John Wick Chapter 2

AidoEirE · 28-05-2017 04:16AM

Frank O. Pinion wrote: »

In the first movie, (which I loved), everybody is afraid of John Wick. In this one, no one gives a sh*t, everyone is trying to kill him without fear. Dumb. This one being an extra 20 minutes longer than the first, really dragged too. I've seen people say it's "non-stop action", no it's not, there's quite a few scenes where the "action" slows down to a snail's pace. Like with the suicidal sister or Rooftop Morpheus. Really should have been 90-100 minutes, with no silly filler. Besides a fun start, the whole thing is boring and exhausting. Headshot, grab guy's arm and roll around like a MMA fighter, headshot, repeat, etc.

Four days.

I only just got around to seeing this tonight and i gota say thats pretty harsh. Snails pace it's definately not, action all the way through. The scene you pick out is id say about 'rooftop morpheus' is 4 minutes long in a two hour film.
I thought the first one was great second is its equal to it. Gave some nice nuacenes to the first which was cool like the cop jimmy.
Everyone is afraid of john wick hence the intro, but i see where your coming from. Assasins do their job for money and 7mil is by far the most any of them have been paid for a hit thats why they go all out to get him ( which i thought was very good)
The real power is in hotels hands and has always been...you dont break the rules
For me its good to see keanu kick ass as he's a blackbelt in some martial arts. Good to see an actor get down amd gritty with his role.

Nice breed of dog as well

pixelburp · 29-05-2017 11:12AM

I think the action of the sequel was easily on a par with the first, perhaps more so given the obviously increased budget & confidence of the directors. Indeed, the sequel was a pretty beautiful film to watch really, full of rich, bold colours and some genuinely striking compositions. On the other hand, to me there was little doubt about how flabby everything became between those fights. I don't expect - or want - nonstop action because that kind of remorseless pacing rarely works, but when the action stopped in Chapter 2, it felt like the narrative ground to a jarring halt and got replaced by slightly tedious and baggy exposition.

For all the intrigue behind this mysterious world & code of assassins, the delivery of the mythology gave the film a real stop-start stutter that wasn't present in Chapter 1. The first film was a leaner, shorter, more straightforward animal that only dabbled with world-building around the fringes while keeping a laster-sharp focus on its very simple plot. Inversely, the sequel nearly drowned in that world-building. The little mini-Matrix reunion between Reeves & Fishburne felt apt because like their former blockbuster, John Wick 2 was much like Matrix Reloaded: while action was amped up & arguably even better than before, so too was the lore, to the detriment of the end product.

TheDoc · 29-05-2017 03:07PM

To be honest I think the action scenes allow me give a total pass to anything that happens around it.

The choreography, the technique on display and the editing (the fact it looks like a continuous shot) is just spectacular. I've watched the entire film twice since it became "available" but I've watched the Catacombs and Museum shootouts about a dozen times

Keanu Reeves must at this stage have well taken over Val Kilmers "Heat reload story". His firearm work, transitions and reloading are unreal

kunst nugget · 29-05-2017 03:11PM

I thought Keanu Reeves looked a bit stiff and clunky during a lot of the fight scenes which was probably just him starting to show his age. Decent enough film but nowhere near as good as the first. The plot was pure nonsense and not in a fun way like the first.

mrcheez · 30-05-2017 05:53PM

kunst nugget wrote: »

The plot was pure nonsense and not in a fun way like the first.

It was a load of fun.

Saw this on the plane home yesterday and gotta say there were loads of lol moments such that I'm certain I was disturbing many of my slumbering co-passengers.

The "secretive sideways sniping" bit at the public train station for example, hilarious.

Roar · 01-06-2017 07:20AM

Like the first film, I was grinning from ear to ear watching this from start to finish, along with several laughs at the sheer audaciousness of some of the kills. Absolutely fantastic.

If I'm being super nitpicky they could have lost Larry Fishbourne plot from the movie entirely as it didn't add anything at all, but I'd imagine that was there to help set up the third film.

Speaking of the third film, SHUT UP AND TAKE MY MONEY.

Rumpy Pumpy · 03-06-2017 08:12PM

Watched this again last night after seeing it in the cinema during its release. It's fantastic. Everything you want from an action movie. Car chases, headshots, cheesy dialogue, banging soundtrack, amazing martial arts sequences, class pencil related death, Rome as a backdrop.

More of the same please.

AllForIt · 10-06-2017 04:33AM

Optimalprimerib wrote: »

The little nods to the matrix were brilliant too.

Little nods? I am a Matrix 1 and 2 fan. Both John Wick one and 2 were replete with references to the Matrix from start to finish. Hardly a chapter goes by without such homage. That's the whole point of the movie. Without it, it would just be nonsense.

Optimalprimerib wrote: »

Keanu Reeves gets slagged for being wooden and he is, delivering lines, but he is one of the best physical actors out there.

He was deliberately wooden in Wick because he was wooden in The Matrix. Just delivers a few 5 word line sentences.

I will just list a few of the characteristics of The Matrix that were present in both these moves.

1. John Wick was The One, invincible.
2. Guns, Lots of Guns, as seen in Wick 2 when he collected weapons from a source.
3. Wick wore full black, as he did in Matrix 2.
4. Wick spoke the exact same short lines as he did in The Matrix on multiple occasions.
5. The old fashioned land line phones and the way the sounded with a short repetitive rings.
6. The score, which was the exact same sound at the beginning of a scene to the matrix but them morphed into somethings else.
7. The Italian woman who spoke the exact same lines that the Italian woman did in Matrix 2.
8. The sound of the bullets ricocheting off the walls.
9. At the end of John Wick 2 the tramps on the street were after him, as in Matrix 1.
10. Laurence Fishburne in Wick 2.

All of the above is only a tiny amount of reference to The Matrix that never gave up in these Movies. So many of the set pieces in the Hotel and the final shoot out in the glass corridor were all inspired by references to The Matrix.

The director/writer is obviously a Matrix fan. I have to say he's extremely clever with what he did with this Movie and I though it was utterly brilliant.

Dave_The_Sheep · 11-06-2017 05:03AM

Honestly, I think you're trying a little too hard.

MilesMorales1 · 11-06-2017 09:05AM

The blu ray is still the cut version here unfortunately, and we also miss out on the commentary >.<

Slydice · 17-06-2017 12:51AM

Just watched it. It was awesome!

Need sequel now!

AllForIt · 17-06-2017 01:55AM

Dave_The_Sheep wrote: »

Honestly, I think you're trying a little too hard.

Oh look, here's Daniel Bernhardt from The Matrix Reloaded fighting Neo

And here he is again in John Wick 2. Both wearing black, fighting in the same style, same actors. Obviously this is all complete coincidence. Honestly, I think some ppl arn't paying attention.

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ciaran76 · 17-06-2017 02:03AM

Watched it tonight. Not as good as Chapter one but that's because I had no idea what the film was about.
Some Matrix tips or nudges towards but the homage to Enter the dragon I loved.
Loved Enter the Dragon.

17-06-2017 08:28AM

AllForIt wrote:

And here he is again in John Wick 2. Both wearing black, fighting in the same style, same actors. Obviously this is all complete coincidence. Honestly, I think some ppl arn't paying attention.

You may want to pay a little more attention yourself as Bernhardt wasn't in John Wick 2.

AllForIt · 17-06-2017 05:34PM

Deleted User wrote: »

You may want to pay a little more attention yourself as Bernhardt wasn't in John Wick 2.

But he was in John Wick yea? Who are you by the way? Oh I get it, nobody likes a know-it-all. Or is more a case of ppl don't like to be proved wrong.

MilesMorales1 · 17-06-2017 06:00PM

AllForIt wrote: »

But he was in John Wick yea? Who are you by the way? Oh I get it, nobody likes a know-it-all. Or is more a case of ppl don't like to be proved wrong.

*googles*

I didn't even notice that was him in the nightclub scene! (and then after in the church bit)

17-06-2017 06:15PM

AllForIt wrote: »

But he was in John Wick yea? Who are you by the way? Oh I get it, nobody likes a know-it-all. Or is more a case of ppl don't like to be proved wrong.

He was in it but you said he was in John Wick 2. Also nobody cares but you. Sure there's plenty of homages to the various films in John Wick but you're the only one who seems to be trying to prove something. Did you realise that many of the villains wear red shirts and is clearly a reference to Star Trek. The finale scene is also strangely similar to the final scene of Lady Snowblood. Or did you notice that one of the shots of someone playing a video game has the gamertag Point Break. Did you realise that the poster for John Wick 2 is an homage to a Harold Llody picture or did you just pick up on the obvious references that they kind of hammered home?

jcd5971 · 17-06-2017 06:25PM

AllForIt wrote:

The director/writer is obviously a Matrix fan. I have to say he's extremely clever with what he did with this Movie and I though it was utterly brilliant.

Isn't it made by the two stunt
co-ordinators from the matrix, which is the reason Keanu agreed to be in it in the first place.

17-06-2017 06:49PM

jcd5971 wrote: »

Isn't it made by the two stunt
co-ordinators from the matrix, which is the reason Keanu agreed to be in it in the first place.

One of them, Chad Stahelski was Keanu's stunt double in it

AllForIt · 17-06-2017 09:31PM

Darko, you are just making my point for me, thank you.

All I did was mention the number of references to the Matrix that I saw in every chapter of both Wick movies from sound effects to fashion to fighting styles to dialogue to even the narrative. There were so many that I'm sure if I watched them again I would spot even more.

You are now arguing that there were more references to other movies that I haven't seen so in effect you are proving the point I was making.

Also nobody cares but you

I don't understand what you mean by that when you took the trouble to diss my observations which you yourself seem to agree with even if you didn't notice the volume of Matrix references? How could this movie stand up if it was a simple movie about a guy who wasn't allowed to live a normal life after leaving a cult and then went around killing them as if he had superpowers because he wasn't allowed to leave the cult. No doubt some seen the movie in that simplistic way. And it was very clever of the director that the movie could be taken that way.

In the final chapter of John Wick 2 all the ppl of the cult froze for a moment in the public street exactly as seen in Matrix 1 in that classic scene when Neo was introduced to the Matrix simulation. And when wick began to run away after that scene the tramp took up his mobile phone and eyed up Wick, or should I say Neo.

Nervous Wreck · 17-06-2017 09:46PM

Yo, AllForIt, what point are you making here? That there are references to The Matrix in this movie or that this is a Matrix movie or something else?

18-06-2017 12:01AM

AllForIt wrote:

Darko, you are just making my point for me, thank you.

AllForIt wrote:

All I did was mention the number of references to the Matrix that I saw in every chapter of both Wick movies from sound effects to fashion to fighting styles to dialogue to even the narrative. There were so many that I'm sure if I watched them again I would spot even more.

AllForIt wrote:

You are now arguing that there were more references to other movies that I haven't seen so in effect you are proving the point I was making.

My point is that every film ever made is full of references to other works, you're trying to imply almost that John Wick is a Matrix film. It's not, it just tips its hat to the series while doing the same to a hundred others. The Matrix is little more than scene after scene paying homage to the work of John Woo, a hundred different anime's, William Gibson and so on. It's what cinema does

AllForIt · 18-06-2017 03:39AM

Nervous Wreck wrote: »

Yo, AllForIt, what point are you making here? That there are references to The Matrix in this movie or that this is a Matrix movie or something else?

Deleted User wrote: »

My point is that every film ever made is full of references to other works, you're trying to imply almost that John Wick is a Matrix film. It's not, it just tips its hat to the series while doing the same to a hundred others. The Matrix is little more than scene after scene paying homage to the work of John Woo, a hundred different anime's, William Gibson and so on. It's what cinema does

Dave_The_Sheep wrote: »

Honestly, I think you're trying a little too hard.

The movie doesn't 'tip it's hat' to "The Matrix".

The whole movie totally depends on The Matrix. Without it, it would be totally meaningless.

I can't believe anyone would not see that.

AidoEirE · 18-06-2017 03:56AM

AllForIt wrote: »

The movie doesn't 'tip it's hat' to "The Matrix".

The whole movie totally depends on The Matrix. Without it, it would be totally meaningless.

I can't believe anyone would not see that.

AllForIt and Darko...
Give it a break lads, knowone cares. Most films have refrences to other films. Your both just going at each other for the sake of it. Knowone gives a sh!te about the mix between the matrix and this. They certainly didnt care while watching it. Ruining the thread.

AllForIt · 18-06-2017 04:17AM

AidoEirE wrote: »

AllForIt and Darko...
Give it a break lads, knowone cares. Most films have refrences to other films. Your both just going at each other for the sake of it. Knowone gives a sh!te about the mix between the matrix and this. They certainly didnt care while watching it. Ruining the thread.

I really can't understand what the problem is. I pointed out that the John Wick series is totally inspired by The Matrix and some ppl seem so upset by that.

Most films have refrences to other films.

Jesus Christ, the whole point of John Wick is that it is a piss take of The Matrix.

AllForIt · 18-06-2017 04:21AM

Nervous Wreck wrote: »

Yo, AllForIt, what point are you making here? That there are references to The Matrix in this movie or that this is a Matrix movie or something else?

Yo Nervous Wreck, my point is that this movie couldn't exist by itself if it weren't for the matrix series.

AidoEirE · 18-06-2017 04:24AM

AllForIt wrote: »

I really can't understand what the problem is. I pointed out that the John Wick series is totally inspired by The Matrix and some ppl seem so upset by that.

Jesus Christ, the whole point of John Wick is that it is a piss take of The Matrix.

Chill out man, your point is valid as its your opinion. Other people will have theirs about the film, doesnt meen you get to get over excitied about the point. Matrix or not...it was a spectacle of a film all the same.

AidoEirE · 18-06-2017 04:40AM

Your over simplyfing the matrix, point of that seris is how we live in a generated world with 'choices' which inevitably are not our own.
John wick is nothing like that.

This being john wick with keanu, of course theres going to be some homages to the matrix as the guy learnt a hell of a lot fron the wakowskis.
To say there the same is just daft. Ye can agree to disagree

For me ive seen it three times now and the matrix comparision never popped in my head till i read this. I just enjoyed keanu kickin ass and cant wait for the third

18-06-2017 09:10AM

AidoEirE wrote:

AllForIt and Darko... Give it a break lads, knowone cares. Most films have refrences to other films. Your both just going at each other for the sake of it. Knowone gives a sh!te about the mix between the matrix and this. They certainly didnt care while watching it. Ruining the thread.

Awful that people discuss a film on a forum board. Don't people realise that film is not an art form open to interpretation.

Nervous Wreck · 18-06-2017 09:24AM

AllForIt wrote: »

Yo Nervous Wreck, my point is that this movie couldn't exist by itself if it weren't for the matrix series.

Oh... who cares?

John Wick Chapter 2

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