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thomond2006 · 26-05-2017 10:19PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

The Kerry / Healy-Rae thing is a microcosm of the US & Trump imo.

Lowry too

Buer · 26-05-2017 10:20PM

Deleted User wrote: »

The Kerry / Healy-Rae thing is a microcosm of the US & Trump imo.

I'm not sure it is. Due to its size it the relationship between the electorate and the elected is fundamentally different. I can completely understand why people vote for the HR clan due to how much work they do for the area and how they manipulate the system. The HR family are locals who resonate with the electorate and benefit them.

The Trump thing is on a completely different level. It's applauding ignorance. Trump has never worked the system or has anything in common with those who won him the election.

mfceiling · 26-05-2017 10:55PM

Buer wrote: »

Ignorance is embraced and accepted. To be intellectual and articulate is in no way something to be respected in the eyes of many.

I'm only half joking when I say this is the Facebook effect. Idiots never really had a platform before and now with the rise of social media (I know where I'm posting this - oh the irony) they have an audience. Nonsense spewed out and sucked up by fools who believe every iota that is printed or typed online as gospel.

CatFromHue · 26-05-2017 10:59PM

I've said it before but Trump got in using a template that got so many elected in Ireland and made the English vote yes for a Brexit

He was a single, maybe double, issue guy
He highlighted all the problems in the country and repeated them at every opportunity with no context (i.e. the Global Financial Collapse of 08/09)
He said he was gonna get rid of corruption and was fed up of the existing politicians
He was "going to make America/Ireland/England" great again

He was also helped by a very poor democrat opposition.

dregin · 26-05-2017 11:00PM

mfceiling wrote: »

I'm only half joking when I say this is the Facebook effect. Idiots never really had a platform before and now with the rise of social media (I know where I'm posting this - oh the irony) they have an audience. Nonsense spewed out and sucked up by fools who believe every iota that is printed or typed online as gospel.

Boards is not social media. There is no outside influence on who sees what or when. It's a chronological order of posts.

Teferi · 28-05-2017 03:48PM

Nothing more annoying then seeing multimillionaires with great big pusses on them. I wanted to give Raikkonen a slap when I saw him borderline crying on the podium.

thomond2006 · 29-05-2017 10:08AM

If you have bought a ticket to go and see Leinster or Ireland playing rugby and Johnny Sexton doesn?t pass a fitness test, nobody expects to get a refund.

http://www.the42.ie/one-zero-to-return-3413865-May2017/

Buer · 29-05-2017 12:01PM

I love Trump's post yesterday on Twitter. So he tells people that the British PM spoke to him about leaks....thereby leaking their conversation and boasting about it? Classic Donny.

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/868840252227674113

thomond2006 · 29-05-2017 12:09PM

He's a can short of a six -pack. Clearly not all there.

CatFromHue · 29-05-2017 02:38PM

I'm reading a book about him at the moment. It's a great read as you just couldn't make it up!

In the 70's and 80's there used to be two people in the Trump organisation who would ring the media to give them info off the record on certain projects. Both of those people were Donald Trump!

Bazzo · 29-05-2017 02:44PM

CatFromHue wrote: »

I'm reading a book about him at the moment. It's a great read as you just couldn't make it up!

In the 70's and 80's there used to be two people in the Trump organisation who would ring the media to give them info off the record on certain projects. Both of those people were Donald Trump!

"It's fine when I do it" is very much his MO.

irishbucsfan · 30-05-2017 10:42AM

At a time when the Americans are decimating their own services, Slaintecare is a very promising indication of what can happen when our system of government works properly. Fair play to Roisin Shortall.

Synode · 31-05-2017 12:30PM

irishbucsfan wrote: »

At a time when the Americans are decimating their own services, Slaintecare is a very promising indication of what can happen when our system of government works properly. Fair play to Roisin Shortall.

What is it? Did a quick Google and looks like a space for holistic practitioners?

awec · 31-05-2017 12:32PM

Synode wrote: »

What is it? Did a quick Google and looks like a space for holistic practitioners?

Free GP for everyone, free hospital (public) and lower priced prescriptions.

stephen_n · 31-05-2017 01:07PM

Synode wrote: »

What is it?

A really good idea, that will probably never happen.

sydthebeat · 31-05-2017 02:11PM

stephen_n wrote: »

A really good idea, that will probably never happen.

completely uncosted pie in the sky stuff.....

dregin · 31-05-2017 02:45PM

sydthebeat wrote: »

completely uncosted pie in the sky stuff.....

Have you actually even opened the report? It goes into pretty fine detail on costing.

irishbucsfan · 31-05-2017 02:47PM

sydthebeat wrote: »

completely uncosted pie in the sky stuff.....

I can't determine whether you don't know what you're talking about, you're intentionally bending the truth, or this is supposed to be a joke...

irishbucsfan · 31-05-2017 02:54PM

dregin wrote: »

Have you actually even opened the report? It goes into pretty fine detail on costing.

http://data.oireachtas.ie/ie/oireachtas/committee/dail/32/committee_on_the_future_of_healthcare/reports/2017/2017-05-30_slaintecare-report_en.pdf

Section 4, starts on page 117, for those interested in reading the thing.

sydthebeat · 31-05-2017 03:03PM

dregin wrote: »

Have you actually even opened the report? It goes into pretty fine detail on costing.

it doesnt go into any detail as to how it replaces the estimated 10 billion (yes, 10 billion!)over 10 years income the private consultants scheme brings to the public service.

yet it totals the cost out just over 3 billion in 6 years..... :rolleyes::rolleyes:

more David Drumm maths being used here im afriad

the GPs, Nurses and consultants have all come out to say its ambitious but unworkable and that the funding figures stated are not based in reality

irishbucsfan · 31-05-2017 03:19PM

sydthebeat wrote: »

it doesnt go into any detail...

Except it does, in sections 2 and 4.

It's not uncosted. It's acutely costed in detail over the entire 10 year period. You're talking ****e, basically.

(Actually I will say that its only "costed" in as far as it states the full costs, it only loosely recommends a source for funding these, but that should come from discussion in the house hopefully once people aren't petrified to suggest the source).

Zzippy · 31-05-2017 03:21PM

irishbucsfan wrote: »

Except it does, in sections 2 and 4.

It's not uncosted. It's acutely costed in detail over the entire 10 year period. You're talking ****e, basically.

Did you write the report yourself? Because there's no need to be so uncivil. Please tone it down.

irishbucsfan · 31-05-2017 03:23PM

Zzippy wrote: »

Did you write the report yourself? Because there's no need to be so uncivil. Please tone it down.

If I wrote it can I insult him? :pac:

(apologies syd, was a lot meaner than it ever should have been, should have read it)

sydthebeat · 31-05-2017 03:35PM

irishbucsfan wrote: »

Except it does, in sections 2 and 4.

can you not read what i said???
because youve selectedly quoted me and remove the very point i was making.

so ill repeat it.....

it doesnt go into any detail as to how it replaces the estimated 10 billion (yes, 10 billion!)over 10 years income the private consultants scheme brings to the public service.

Dr Tom Ryan from the IHCA came out and made this exact point yesterday.
You cannot just say "no private practise in public hospitals" without replacing the income stream of 670M a year forecasted to 10 billion over the next 10 years.

sydthebeat · 31-05-2017 03:37PM

irishbucsfan wrote: »

If I wrote it can I insult him? :pac:

(apologies syd, was a lot meaner than it ever should have been, should have read it)

no problem IBF

ive a feeling this is an area of your expertise and im on a hiding to nothing but ive seen the kind of reports come and go quite often over the years (in various areas of governance) and from what i heard from Tom Ryan (and Liam Doran, and the GP reps) yesterday this report fills me with no confidence whatsoever.

irishbucsfan · 31-05-2017 03:56PM

sydthebeat wrote: »

can you not read what i said???
because youve selectedly quoted me and remove the very point i was making.

so ill repeat it.....

it doesnt go into any detail as to how it replaces the estimated 10 billion (yes, 10 billion!)over 10 years income the private consultants scheme brings to the public service.

Dr Tom Ryan from the IHCA came out and made this exact point yesterday.
You cannot just say "no private practise in public hospitals" without replacing the income stream of 670M a year forecasted to 10 billion over the next 10 years.

No, it doesn't specifically say that. However how much of that supposed "10 billion" will be saved by moving care from secondary to primary level? How much of it will be saved through increased efficiencies by not having to rely on hospitals for care that can be provided locally? How much of it will be saved by improving the infrastructure through the €3bn plan that was recommended? How much of it will be saved through the integration program, IE the availability of the medical card?

We also aren't running a tuck shop. Money that is made through private healthcare is money that has to be spent on healthcare by our population. Improving the quality of the system so that any of that expenditure is no longer required is a good thing, even if the IHCA has to oppose it on behalf of its members.

Most importantly, it is not completely "uncosted" which is what you said. And they actually recommended an independent review of whether the loss of that private expenditure would be more problematic than they concluded it would be.

irishbucsfan · 31-05-2017 03:58PM

sydthebeat wrote: »

no problem IBF

ive a feeling this is an area of your expertise and im on a hiding to nothing but ive seen the kind of reports come and go quite often over the years (in various areas of governance) and from what i heard from Tom Ryan (and Liam Doran, and the GP reps) yesterday this report fills me with no confidence whatsoever.

Well the GPs are going to be negotiating a new contract. So really you can't expect them to come out in favour of this. Getting them to agree to a contract is absolutely crucial to the whole thing working, but there was a GP on the committee so you'd hope it's not an impossibility. (EDIT: No area is an area of my expertise)

irishbucsfan · 31-05-2017 05:03PM

Actually I've just thought of something even more important.

Who would win in a fight between a silverback gorilla and a grizzly bear?

mfceiling · 31-05-2017 06:08PM

irishbucsfan wrote: »

Actually I've just thought of something even more important.

Who would win in a fight between a silverback gorilla and a grizzly bear?

Bear every time...

Buer · 31-05-2017 06:21PM

What if the silverback has a switchblade?

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