Official Conor McGregor thread (part 3) *Updated Warning in 1st Post Re:Boxing match

dulux99 · 26-05-2017 08:44AM

Anyone who thinks boxing is ‘dying’ has either got their head in the sand, or is woefully misinformed. On this side of the pond especially, the sport has never been in a better place.

MMA on the other hand is struggling to make stars, probably half of the athletes under the flagship brand are barely scraping minimum wage, lots of whom are making a loss by competing. The only people making any real money from MMA are the absolute elite level top dogs, and this trend isn’t going to change any time soon with the new ownership. The Fertita’s bailed at the right time unquestionably. MMA will struggle over the next 5 to 10 years to attract young athletes to the sport.

Jamiekelly · 26-05-2017 09:26AM

Mellor wrote: »

You might want to check the date on that article. It's hardly going to list fights that didn't happen.

But according to that, only one fight in the 90's broke 1.5m.
You claimed that the Joshua Klitschko fight was a fraction of that. I think you should double check that tbh. By all reports Joshua Klitschko cleaned up the PPVs.

You're right. My mistake

EagererBeaver · 26-05-2017 09:26AM

People swallow and regurgitate the lines about boxing being dead and MMA being the "fastest growing sport in the world" without any evidence whatsoever.

cletus · 26-05-2017 10:01AM

I thought this debate was done years ago. Why does it have to be one or the other. There's no reason both sports can't continue to exist and prosper. I am happy there is so much readily available combat sports to watch, be it boxing, mma, grappling or kickboxing.

The one thing I would say is that, while top pay in boxing is higher than that of mma, the pay as you go down the card would seem to be more equitable

Mellor · 26-05-2017 11:52AM

EagererBeaver wrote: »

People swallow and regurgitate the lines about boxing being dead and MMA being the "fastest growing sport in the world" without any evidence whatsoever.

While that's completely true. MMA hasn't been the fasest growing in years if it every was.

But at the same time, comparing the biggest PPV of the year in each is hardly indicative of the general state of either sport.

raze_them_all_ · 26-05-2017 12:15PM

Mellor wrote: »

While that's completely true. MMA hasn't been the fasest growing in years if it every was.

But at the same time, comparing the biggest PPV of the year in each is hardly indicative of the general state of either sport.

I invented a new sport today. It has 3 new players already a player increase of 300%. Fastest growing sport in the world

Django99 · 26-05-2017 12:33PM

Neither sport is dying really. After a couple of bad years boxing is coming back to its best with top fighters across multiple divisions. MMA has had a slow start this year but that will pick up, a lot of the bigger draws just happen to be out for one reason or another at the moment. People expecting WME to make back their money in a few years, not how big business works it was a long term investment. Any changes they want to make will take a while to bring in, they an afford a bedding in period.

Lots of people compare the sports by PPV numbers, not really a relevant comparison. UFC is PPV in US and Canada, the two biggest markets they have. It's free to watch in most of the world. The TV deals they have elsewhere are not worth that much, because the timing of events means they are not at peak times in most of the world.

Boxing has huge, huge viewership in Germany and Eastern Europe where it's mostly on TV. But the TV deals in place are for big money, it's an alternative to the PPV model. UK has lower PPV prices for most events. US still has expensive PPV, but lower numbers. Overall though, far far more people watch boxing around the world. MMA is still primarily an American thing, boxing is popular world wide.

The McGregor Mayweather fight isn't about boxing, or MMA, it's about money. Nothing more nothing less. A novelty fight in every way. People want to see it and will pay for it, so everyone involved has decided it's worth it for the money.

Nobody from either sport should care about the outcome, and fans shouldn't either. It's like when Ali fought the wrestler, it was just for show. That was such a disappointment I would have thought people would be more sceptical of McGregor trying to box Mayweather to be honest.

It won't matter what happens on the night in the slightest though, because the money will have been agreed long before. Whether anyone thinks that this is right or wrong, at least we should realise that it's not about the sports at all.

Mellor · 26-05-2017 01:05PM

raze_them_all_ wrote: »

I invented a new sport today. It has 3 new players already a player increase of 300%. Fastest growing sport in the world

Your sport will be toppled tomorrow when I round up 4 lads and show them the new sport I invented

dashoonage · 26-05-2017 01:05PM

Mellor wrote: »

Your sport will be toppled tomorrow when I round up 4 lads and show them the new sport I invented

touchbutt has already been done man.

Mellor · 26-05-2017 01:27PM

This is different, it's called ButtTouch, it's great, huge, the biggest ever, doubly huge

EagererBeaver · 26-05-2017 01:33PM

Mellor wrote: »

While that's completely true. MMA hasn't been the fasest growing in years if it every was.

But at the same time, comparing the biggest PPV of the year in each is hardly indicative of the general state of either sport.

Absolutely, I'm not even talking about PPV or viewer numbers. Even PPV numbers (wonder gonna crack up at this statement) is increasingly unreliable for assessing the state of things because of illegal streaming and the like.

These are just statements that people spout without anything to back it up. One lad the other day claimed American boxing was dead ffs.

Burial. · 26-05-2017 01:39PM

Touchbutt isn't a sport, it's a way of life.

xtal191 · 26-05-2017 01:50PM

http://www.boxingscene.com/wba-turns-back-on-floyd-mayweather-vs-conor-mcgregor-fight--116947

evil_seed · 26-05-2017 02:11PM

If boxing is dying how come McGregor wants a boxing match?

Lukker- · 26-05-2017 02:15PM

evil_seed wrote: »

If boxing is dying how come McGregor wants a boxing match?

CatFromHue · 26-05-2017 02:25PM

I really do struggle at how if this fight goes ahead it'll be the end of boxing.

Floyd is not a belt holder, has no mandatories, is retired, will be retired a full 2 years if the fight is made, and is 40 years old!!!

I dunno what Oscar is talking about.

Lukker- · 26-05-2017 02:31PM

CatFromHue wrote: »

I really do struggle at how if this fight goes ahead it'll be the end of boxing.

Floyd is not a belt holder, has no mandatories, is retired, will be retired a full 2 years if the fight is made, and is 40 years old!!!

I dunno what Oscar is talking about.

Floyd wants to fight Conor in September, which is when Canelo is fighting GGG.

He's worried(rightly) that if Conor/Floyd goes ahead it will absorb all the attention from GGG vs Canelo.

GGG vs Canelo is the first time in a long while where two legit P4P guys who are fighting each other and also happen to be big PPV draws.(Ward vs Kovalev are two P4P greats, neither were PPV draws) Without Conor vs Floyd it could break 1.5m/2m PPV buys. If Conor Floyd happens in the same month, not a chance.

CatFromHue · 26-05-2017 02:56PM

If they both go ahead in Sept that's still not the end of boxing though. It's not good for business for either fight.

Lukker- · 26-05-2017 03:01PM

CatFromHue wrote: »

If they both go ahead in Sept that's still not the end of boxing though. It's not good for business for either fight.

It's good for Mayweather's ego and from the perspective of the UFC imo. MayPac is one of the biggest factors that sent boxing into decline and probably helped the rapid growth of MMA.

Taking away buys from what will most likely be a thrilling fight in GGG/Canelo and diverting them to a fight that will most likely end up being a seasoned pro dancing around a novice would a decent result for the UFC as it would kind of stop boxings resurgence.

wonderfullife · 26-05-2017 06:17PM

Mellor wrote: »

By all reports Joshua Klitschko cleaned up the PPVs.

Jamiekelly wrote: »

You're right. My mistake

You're not exactly wrong though. Yes the Joshua fight did very well but look at the context:

1. Joshua Klitschko did 1.5m buys, impressive, but the PPV was priced at £19.99.

Conor Nate 2 did 1.65m buys at $60.00.

2. Also worth noting boxings biggest gate this year, Joshua Klitchsko did £8 million with a crowd of 90,000.

Conor Eddie did $17.7 million with a crowd of 20,427.

That probably speaks more to how big a star Conor is than any comment on the health of both sports - but it's still clear that the biggest MMA fight of 2016 crushed the biggest boxing fight of 2017 (thus far) in financial terms.

Gamebred · 26-05-2017 06:29PM

Make of it what you will but Mayweathers private jet pilot is in Ireland

https://www.instagram.com/p/BUjzS1CACWZ/?taken-by=patrick_macfarlane

EagererBeaver · 26-05-2017 06:30PM

wonderfullife wrote: »

You're not exactly wrong though. Yes the Joshua fight did very well but look at the context:

1. Joshua Klitschko did 1.5m buys, impressive, but the PPV was priced at £19.99.

Conor Nate 2 did 1.65m buys at $60.00.

2. Also worth noting boxings biggest gate this year, Joshua Klitchsko did £8 million with a crowd of 90,000.

Conor Eddie did $17.7 million with a crowd of 20,427.

That probably speaks more to how big a star Conor is than any comment on the health of both sports - but it's still clear that the biggest MMA fight of 2016 crushed the biggest boxing fight of 2017 (thus far) in financial terms.

It doesn't speak "more" to how big a star McGregor is. It speaks completely to how big a star he is.

While I generally agree with your assessment, you're not comparing like with like. One was a fight in prime time in a market, if you combine the UK and Germany of 150 odd million. The other was a fight in prime time, in the US in a market of 300m.

Edit: the 1.5m was in the UK alone, so say a market of 65m people.

wonderfullife · 26-05-2017 06:49PM

EagererBeaver wrote: »

It doesn't speak "more" to how big a star McGregor is. It speaks completely to how big a star he is.

While I generally agree with your assessment, you're not comparing like with like. One was a fight in prime time in a market, if you combine the UK and Germany of 150 odd million. The other was a fight in prime time, in the US in a market of 300m.

Yeah, bigger market for the PPV of course.

A fairer comparison would be Canelo-Chavez (same US market) as that's the biggest US boxing fight of 2017 so far.

1. Nate Conor 2 - 1.65m buys, Conor Eddie $17.7m gate
2. Canelo Chavez - 1m buys, $10.6m gate

Fairest comparison possible. Same market, same PPV price ($60).

Incidentally the other parameters on how you might compare the sports, MMA does seem to come out on top (ratings for tv cards etc) but I don't have any real opinion (or care) which sport is bigger.

Conor is just huge.

If the fight comes off, I can definitely see them pushing the Floyd-Manny numbers very close. It may well end up being close to a $1 billion fight worldwide.

Jamiekelly · 26-05-2017 07:10PM

wonderfullife wrote: »

Yeah, bigger market for the PPV of course.

A fairer comparison would be Canelo-Chavez (same US market) as that's the biggest US boxing fight of 2017 so far.

1. Nate Conor 2 - 1.65m buys, Conor Eddie $17.7m gate
2. Canelo Chavez - 1m buys, $10.6m gate

Fairest comparison possible. Same market, same PPV price ($60).

Incidentally the other parameters on how you might compare the sports, MMA does seem to come out on top (ratings for tv cards etc) but I don't have any real opinion (or care) which sport is bigger.

Conor is just huge.

If the fight comes off, I can definitely see them pushing the Floyd-Manny numbers very close. It may well end up being close to a $1 billion fight worldwide.

The trash talk alone is going to be worth it regardless of how the fight plays out.

I'm sick of those TMZ cnuts being the profiteers from the verbal back and forth. Every time I hear that Australian sh*t stirrers voice my skin crawls.

CatFromHue · 26-05-2017 08:29PM

The two of them saying how much money they have and how they both run the game isn't going to be very entertaining if you ask me

Ultimate Seduction · 26-05-2017 08:38PM

Will it be on BT sports here I wonder or Will we be charged PPV? MayPaq only fight I can think of that was PPV at 5am in the morning here?

Jamiekelly · 26-05-2017 08:47PM

CatFromHue wrote: »

The two of them saying how much money they have and how they both run the game isn't going to be very entertaining if you ask me

Conor calling him a Malteser with eyeballs was gold though.

froog · 26-05-2017 08:58PM

xtal191 wrote: »

http://www.boxingscene.com/wba-turns-back-on-floyd-mayweather-vs-conor-mcgregor-fight--116947

oh no whatever will we do now said absolutely no one.

EagererBeaver · 26-05-2017 10:24PM

Jamiekelly wrote: »

Conor calling him a Malteser with eyeballs was gold though.

Hilarious I'm sure. McGregor's trash talk got very stale very quickly.

dulux99 · 27-05-2017 12:32AM

Ultimate Seduction wrote: »

Will it be on BT sports here I wonder or Will we be charged PPV? MayPaq only fight I can think of that was PPV at 5am in the morning here?

There's been a few, Hatton v Mayweather and Hatton vs Pacman spring to mind - I also think I remember Lewis vs Tyson in 02 being on box office but can't say for definite. If sky get the rights it'll definitely be on box office no question.

Fun fact about Hatton vs Mayweather, it did 1.3m buys in the UK & Ireland and only did 950k in USA. Crazy how Hatton transcended the sport over on this side of the pond. It was 10 years ago but the regularity with which Floyd hit Hatton that night will be similar to how the McGregor fight will look in my opinion, but with McGregor having far less output than Hatton had. Can't see anything other than Conor hitting thin air and Floyd hitting him when ever he pleases. My prediction is Floyd by KO in the 6th or 7th, with minimal effort.

Official Conor McGregor thread (part 3) *Updated Warning in 1st Post Re:Boxing match

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