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Official Conor McGregor thread (part 3) *Updated Warning in 1st Post Re:Boxing match

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The last thread was nearing the 10k post limit so here's part 3.

The same rules as the last thread apply here. People seem to have strong opinions either way when it comes to McGregor and threads here tend to get a bit heated from time to time. Please keep it civil and discuss all things Conor in a mature way.

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Swashbuckler

Ultimate Seduction wrote:

It would be the greatest moment in the history of boxing and mma if Conor knocks Floyd out. How can you not be exited for that, as slim as his chances are..

Because all this time wasted on this farce of a "boxing match" is time McGregor spends away from the cage. His MMA fights are a spectacle and this Mayweather crap is cheating us out of seeing him in the cage. There is zero chance he KOs Floyd. Nothing about this saga is exciting.

dulux99

wrote:

"Ultimate Seduction;103636048". How can you not be exited for that, as slim as his chances are..

For the same reason that I won't be on the edge of my seat to see the lotion results tonight, despite owning a ticket.

Ultimate Seduction

I seriously can't wait for Conor to pull the Mic off Kellerman after Floyd is slept, "Doubt me now mother****ers!!"

It would be the greatest moment in the history of boxing and mma if Conor knocks Floyd out. How can you not be exited for that, as slim as his chances are..

dulux99

EagererBeaver wrote: »

That's the whole point though in my view - this is precisely what people expect to see, so there'll be no underwhelming feeling.

For anyone even slightly in the know, yes, that is the case. If this fight gets shown on Sky it will be opened up to a whole new audience, it'll be a whole new ballgame. You will have people who've never seen an MMA fight before, watching sky sports news and the countdown shows, expecting it to be somewhat compelling. Conor will keep saying about how he's going to KO Floyd, and when conor speaks he is very convincing.

For anyone with event a small interest in combat sports, it won't be a surprise. I wrote earlier in the thread how Hatton v Mayweather did 1.3m buys in the UK + Ireland. At the time, literally everyone I knew was intrigued in the fight, most of whom had never seen a Hatton fight before, due to the huge push sky gave it. This fight will get the same treatment and Conors first exposure to a huge new audience is going to be an embarrassing one. He will look like a fraud.

EagererBeaver

dulux99 wrote: »

I dont agree with the assessment that conor has nothing to lose. He has plenty to lose. The whole world will watch this fight and a huge percentage of the audience will be watching mcgregor fight for the first time, and given the talk that he'll no doubt talk, people will expect him to put up a good fight. What they will see is going to be an embarrassing affair between a debutant novice and an absolute expert at his craft. People will laugh at how poorly Conor does.

That's the whole point though in my view - this is precisely what people expect to see, so there'll be no underwhelming feeling.

dulux99

I dont agree with the assessment that conor has nothing to lose. He has plenty to lose. The whole world will watch this fight and a huge percentage of the audience will be watching mcgregor fight for the first time, and given the talk that he'll no doubt talk, people will expect him to put up a good fight. What they will see is going to be an embarrassing affair between a debutant novice and an absolute expert at his craft. People will laugh at how poorly Conor does.

EagererBeaver

wonderfullife wrote: »

I don't think it's fair on the one hand for people to say "Floyd will destroy him" and then on the other hand not recognize what a huge risk Conor is taking with his health if he does get absolutely demolished.

I don't like the way his detractors seem to cover both sides of the coin. If people believe Floyd will batter him, then it's only fair to highlight the risk Conor's taking in getting in the ring with him.

This isn't anything to do with anyone being a detractor ffs. When people say Floyd is going to batter him, they don't mean he's going to take out a 2x4 and crack him over the head repeatedly with it. They're talking about him being completely outclassed as a boxer for whatever the duration. It's not a street fight, it's a cash cow exhibition under the guise of a sporting contest, that takes place with particular parameters and a specific ruleset. Some of these are designed to protect the fighter. He's taking a risk in the extent that he is getting in the ring against a vastly superior and more experienced opponent. There's a referee who can stop the fight. His corner can stop the fight. Of course accidents happen and boxing has seen its fair share of tragedy over the years, but beyond that, there's no more a "huge risk" than any other fight.

Don't try and paint this as some sort of noble effort where he's going out there risking life and limb.

spix

Mcgregor going crazy on IG with posts related to his '188' boat. Googled it, he was claiming 188 euro social welfare, mcgregors reach is 188cm.... wtf

Jamiekelly

EagererBeaver wrote: »

Hilarious I'm sure. McGregor's trash talk got very stale very quickly.

Jesus, everytime I see your name on this thread I feel depressed. You must be fun at parties :pac:

wonderfullife

Too Tough To Die wrote: »

Floyd has brittle hands, he will not be putting him in a coma, lol. Relax.

Either Conor is hopelessly outclassed as a novice and facing a 36-minute beat-down or he isn't? Brittle hands or not, 12 rounds of being punched in the face by an excellent boxer is far riskier than an MMA fight in his own sport where he very rarely gets hit clean.

If people want to say he'll be destroyed by Floyd, that's fine and I won't argue - but acknowledge there's a huge potential downside and risk involved in the fight from a health and career perspective.

Too Tough To Die

wonderfullife wrote: »

OR Floyd puts him in a hospital or a coma or who the hell knows.

Sure, the risk to his health is present in MMA too but at least MMA is a sport he's a multiple world champion in and less likely to take a sustained 25 minute beating by anybody.

I don't think it's fair on the one hand for people to say "Floyd will destroy him" and then on the other hand not recognize what a huge risk Conor is taking with his health if he does get absolutely demolished.

I don't like the way his detractors seem to cover both sides of the coin. If people believe Floyd will batter him, then it's only fair to highlight the risk Conor's taking in getting in the ring with him.

It's easy to say he fights for the money but he's never backed down from any of the challenges.... Mendes short notice, Aldo, Diaz short notice, Alvarez, now the biggest risk to his health possible - Mayweather.

If Conor is destined to lose, I'd much prefer he was KO'd in the 1st minute than beaten up for 36 minutes.

Floyd has brittle hands, he will not be putting him in a coma, lol. Relax.

wonderfullife

EagererBeaver wrote: »

When I say "no downside", I mean in terms of good legitimacy as a fighter not being impacted. It won't be. He simply points to the fact he's a rookie against someone as good as Floyd and then spouts some **** about "win or learn". He either simply resumes his MMA career untarnished or retires on his vast hoard of cash.

OR Floyd puts him in a hospital or a coma or who the hell knows.

Sure, the risk to his health is present in MMA too but at least MMA is a sport he's a multiple world champion in and less likely to take a sustained 25 minute beating by anybody.

I don't think it's fair on the one hand for people to say "Floyd will destroy him" and then on the other hand not recognize what a huge risk Conor is taking with his health if he does get absolutely demolished.

I don't like the way his detractors seem to cover both sides of the coin. If people believe Floyd will batter him, then it's only fair to highlight the risk Conor's taking in getting in the ring with him.

It's easy to say he fights for the money but he's never backed down from any of the challenges.... Mendes short notice, Aldo, Diaz short notice, Alvarez, now the biggest risk to his health possible - Mayweather.

If Conor is destined to lose, I'd much prefer he was KO'd in the 1st minute than beaten up for 36 minutes.

EagererBeaver

wonderfullife wrote: »

Conor has been hit cleanly how many times in his career? I mean any punch that rocked him and/or landed flush?

It can be counted on one hand.

It's very possible that Floyd hits him more in this fight than Conor has been hit in his combined career to date.

There's a huge downside to this for Conor - he might get beaten to a pulp and sustain damage that could keep him out of fighting for 6 months or a year or worse..... Heaven forbid but bad stuff can happen in combat sports.

I can't believe people think there's no risk in this for Conor when there's clearly a huge risk. Floyd might not have hands of stone but there's a very real danger that he hurts Conor badly.

If after the fight we are sat here saying "Jesus Conor has some chin" then it means he just got beaten the fook out of for 36 minutes.

That's a huge risk to take regardless of how many millions he makes.

When I say "no downside", I mean in terms of good legitimacy as a fighter not being impacted. It won't be. He simply points to the fact he's a rookie against someone as good as Floyd and then spouts some **** about "win or learn". He either simply resumes his MMA career untarnished or retires on his vast hoard of cash.

As for Floyd being one of the best over the last 25/30 years, who runs him close? The only two I would consider (given the Pacquiao) result are Jones and Pernell Whittaker. Jones could have been the best ever but has ruined his legacy and I think Floyd is right up there with Sweet Pea.

EDIT: Chavez maybe too, but Whitaker outclassed him so I excluded him.

wonderfullife

EagererBeaver wrote: »

There is literally no downside to the whole thing for McGregor.

Conor has been hit cleanly how many times in his career? I mean any punch that rocked him and/or landed flush?

It can be counted on one hand.

It's very possible that Floyd hits him more in this fight than Conor has been hit in his combined career to date.

There's a huge downside to this for Conor - he might get beaten to a pulp and sustain damage that could keep him out of fighting for 6 months or a year or worse..... Heaven forbid but bad stuff can happen in combat sports.

I can't believe people think there's no risk in this for Conor when there's clearly a huge risk. Floyd might not have hands of stone but there's a very real danger that he hurts Conor badly.

If after the fight we are sat here saying "Jesus Conor has some chin" then it means he just got beaten the fook out of for 36 minutes.

That's a huge risk to take regardless of how many millions he makes.

Tigger

EagererBeaver wrote: »

There is literally no downside to the whole thing for McGregor. He gets to make an absolute fortune and whether he gets knocked out in 13 seconds or beaten up for 36 minutes, he is a 0-0 boxer going up against the best of the last 25/30 years.

Nobody expects anything other than an absolute Mayweather shut out, so there's no way he can fail to meet expectations.

ah no
hes the best of his time but hes not the best of the last 25 years

EagererBeaver

There is literally no downside to the whole thing for McGregor. He gets to make an absolute fortune and whether he gets knocked out in 13 seconds or beaten up for 36 minutes, he is a 0-0 boxer going up against the best of the last 25/30 years.

Nobody expects anything other than an absolute Mayweather shut out, so there's no way he can fail to meet expectations.

Degag

Django99 wrote: »

Nobody from either sport should care about the outcome, and fans shouldn't either. It's like when Ali fought the wrestler, it was just for show. That was such a disappointment I would have thought people would be more sceptical of McGregor trying to box Mayweather to be honest.

It won't matter what happens on the night in the slightest though, because the money will have been agreed long before. Whether anyone thinks that this is right or wrong, at least we should realise that it's not about the sports at all.

I agree with the vast majority of your post however i do think that if Mayweather loses, it will tarnish his legacy to some degree. He will go down as 49-1 regardless of whether it's a fully sanctioned fight or not.

Mcgregor, unless he is totally embarrassed, will be fine. Indeed if he holds his own, can only do himself the world of favours.

He is 50/1 to win in the first round which is tempting cause you would imagine that if he is going to beat Floyd, it has to be early.

dulux99

Ultimate Seduction wrote: »

Will it be on BT sports here I wonder or Will we be charged PPV? MayPaq only fight I can think of that was PPV at 5am in the morning here?

There's been a few, Hatton v Mayweather and Hatton vs Pacman spring to mind - I also think I remember Lewis vs Tyson in 02 being on box office but can't say for definite. If sky get the rights it'll definitely be on box office no question.

Fun fact about Hatton vs Mayweather, it did 1.3m buys in the UK & Ireland and only did 950k in USA. Crazy how Hatton transcended the sport over on this side of the pond. It was 10 years ago but the regularity with which Floyd hit Hatton that night will be similar to how the McGregor fight will look in my opinion, but with McGregor having far less output than Hatton had. Can't see anything other than Conor hitting thin air and Floyd hitting him when ever he pleases. My prediction is Floyd by KO in the 6th or 7th, with minimal effort.

EagererBeaver

Jamiekelly wrote: »

Conor calling him a Malteser with eyeballs was gold though.

Hilarious I'm sure. McGregor's trash talk got very stale very quickly.

froog

xtal191 wrote: »

http://www.boxingscene.com/wba-turns-back-on-floyd-mayweather-vs-conor-mcgregor-fight--116947

oh no whatever will we do now said absolutely no one.

Jamiekelly

CatFromHue wrote: »

The two of them saying how much money they have and how they both run the game isn't going to be very entertaining if you ask me

Conor calling him a Malteser with eyeballs was gold though.

Ultimate Seduction

Will it be on BT sports here I wonder or Will we be charged PPV? MayPaq only fight I can think of that was PPV at 5am in the morning here?

CatFromHue

The two of them saying how much money they have and how they both run the game isn't going to be very entertaining if you ask me

Jamiekelly

wonderfullife wrote: »

Yeah, bigger market for the PPV of course.

A fairer comparison would be Canelo-Chavez (same US market) as that's the biggest US boxing fight of 2017 so far.

1. Nate Conor 2 - 1.65m buys, Conor Eddie $17.7m gate
2. Canelo Chavez - 1m buys, $10.6m gate

Fairest comparison possible. Same market, same PPV price ($60).

Incidentally the other parameters on how you might compare the sports, MMA does seem to come out on top (ratings for tv cards etc) but I don't have any real opinion (or care) which sport is bigger.

Conor is just huge.

If the fight comes off, I can definitely see them pushing the Floyd-Manny numbers very close. It may well end up being close to a $1 billion fight worldwide.

The trash talk alone is going to be worth it regardless of how the fight plays out.

I'm sick of those TMZ cnuts being the profiteers from the verbal back and forth. Every time I hear that Australian sh*t stirrers voice my skin crawls.

wonderfullife

EagererBeaver wrote: »

It doesn't speak "more" to how big a star McGregor is. It speaks completely to how big a star he is.

While I generally agree with your assessment, you're not comparing like with like. One was a fight in prime time in a market, if you combine the UK and Germany of 150 odd million. The other was a fight in prime time, in the US in a market of 300m.

Yeah, bigger market for the PPV of course.

A fairer comparison would be Canelo-Chavez (same US market) as that's the biggest US boxing fight of 2017 so far.

1. Nate Conor 2 - 1.65m buys, Conor Eddie $17.7m gate
2. Canelo Chavez - 1m buys, $10.6m gate

Fairest comparison possible. Same market, same PPV price ($60).

Incidentally the other parameters on how you might compare the sports, MMA does seem to come out on top (ratings for tv cards etc) but I don't have any real opinion (or care) which sport is bigger.

Conor is just huge.

If the fight comes off, I can definitely see them pushing the Floyd-Manny numbers very close. It may well end up being close to a $1 billion fight worldwide.

EagererBeaver

wonderfullife wrote: »

You're not exactly wrong though. Yes the Joshua fight did very well but look at the context:

1. Joshua Klitschko did 1.5m buys, impressive, but the PPV was priced at £19.99.

Conor Nate 2 did 1.65m buys at $60.00.

2. Also worth noting boxings biggest gate this year, Joshua Klitchsko did £8 million with a crowd of 90,000.

Conor Eddie did $17.7 million with a crowd of 20,427.

That probably speaks more to how big a star Conor is than any comment on the health of both sports - but it's still clear that the biggest MMA fight of 2016 crushed the biggest boxing fight of 2017 (thus far) in financial terms.

It doesn't speak "more" to how big a star McGregor is. It speaks completely to how big a star he is.

While I generally agree with your assessment, you're not comparing like with like. One was a fight in prime time in a market, if you combine the UK and Germany of 150 odd million. The other was a fight in prime time, in the US in a market of 300m.

Edit: the 1.5m was in the UK alone, so say a market of 65m people.

Gamebred

Make of it what you will but Mayweathers private jet pilot is in Ireland

https://www.instagram.com/p/BUjzS1CACWZ/?taken-by=patrick_macfarlane

wonderfullife

Mellor wrote: »

By all reports Joshua Klitschko cleaned up the PPVs.

Jamiekelly wrote: »

You're right. My mistake

You're not exactly wrong though. Yes the Joshua fight did very well but look at the context:

1. Joshua Klitschko did 1.5m buys, impressive, but the PPV was priced at £19.99.

Conor Nate 2 did 1.65m buys at $60.00.

2. Also worth noting boxings biggest gate this year, Joshua Klitchsko did £8 million with a crowd of 90,000.

Conor Eddie did $17.7 million with a crowd of 20,427.

That probably speaks more to how big a star Conor is than any comment on the health of both sports - but it's still clear that the biggest MMA fight of 2016 crushed the biggest boxing fight of 2017 (thus far) in financial terms.

Lukker-

CatFromHue wrote: »

If they both go ahead in Sept that's still not the end of boxing though. It's not good for business for either fight.

It's good for Mayweather's ego and from the perspective of the UFC imo. MayPac is one of the biggest factors that sent boxing into decline and probably helped the rapid growth of MMA.

Taking away buys from what will most likely be a thrilling fight in GGG/Canelo and diverting them to a fight that will most likely end up being a seasoned pro dancing around a novice would a decent result for the UFC as it would kind of stop boxings resurgence.

CatFromHue

If they both go ahead in Sept that's still not the end of boxing though. It's not good for business for either fight.