Neighbours refuses to allow new ftth installation

Atlantic Dawn · 24-05-2017 08:02PM

Is their view of the pyramids of Egypt or what, seriously how much loss would a cable be. I would be livid and blacklist them from my life, I'd provide zero assistance in anything they ever needed from me in the future.

Eric Cartman · 24-05-2017 08:10PM

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

Is their view of the pyramids of Egypt or what, seriously how much loss would a cable be. I would be livid and blacklist them from my life, I'd provide zero assistance in anything they ever needed from me in the future.

ohh 100%, going to assume this is proper rural, next time it snows or the aul one needs a lift to the shops in the rain, or a parcel got left with me, really almost any scenario i'd be going out of my way to be unhelpful. Stopping infrastructure for such a petty reason puts you in the 'wouldn't piss on to put out a fire' category.

Edit, if its a rural enough location that agri land is filth cheap, find out who owns the next field infront of their view and rent space for the most ugly rusted slurry tanker you can find on donedeal and put it smack bang across the face of the house

edit again : https://www.donedeal.ie/feedingequipment-for-sale/13-tonne-meal-bin/15242608 50 quid , put it in a field, be grand.

the_syco · 24-05-2017 09:01PM

Barry122 wrote: »

I was supposed to get ftth installed today but my neighbour refused to allow the technician to install the new fibre line as the telephone pole is in their garden and that the phone lines ruin their view. The technician couldn't do anything about that.

Would growing trees in your garden limit the amount of sunlight they get?

Perhaps see if you can have a pole put in elsewhere, as an alternative route to your house? And then grow the trees anyway.

Quazzie · 24-05-2017 09:04PM

Cut down the pole. When it is replaced, your wire will be included.

Atlantic Dawn · 24-05-2017 09:06PM

Wonder if OP told them he has to now rent his house out really cheaply to whatever is the most ne'er-do-well group they would fear and him move to the nearest town with proper broadband would they change their mind.

CeilingFly · 24-05-2017 10:20PM

TheChizler wrote: »

Surely if there was a fault with the existing line that required access to the pole openeir would have implicit right to access. How is this any different? If the existing line fell off the pole would they be obliged to allow access to replace it?

A telephone service is a universal service obligation, so access to the pole and use of the pole for the telephone service is obligatory for the neighbours.

Ftth is not an obligation, so access must be granted.

Can eir not provide a phoneline fibre service of up to 100mb?

caff · 24-05-2017 10:26PM

CeilingFly wrote: »

A telephone service is a universal service obligation, so access to the pole and use of the pole for the telephone service is obligatory for the neighbours.

Ftth is not an obligation, so access must be granted.

Can eir not provide a phoneline fibre service of up to 100mb?

Order a phone line and get them to run the fibre at the same time?

Jpmarn · 24-05-2017 10:35PM

Could you get some legal advice. Consider going to a solicitor. Surely your neighbour is probably breaking a law by denying you access to a service.

Fred Swanson · 24-05-2017 10:37PM

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The Cush · 24-05-2017 10:48PM

Fred Swanson wrote: »

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I believe eir doesn't have the same wayleaves as the ESB (and now SIRO) has to access poles etc., hence the reason most telephone poles run by the roadside with permission given by the landowner where they're beyond the road.

TheQuietFella · 24-05-2017 10:48PM

Jpmarn wrote: »

Could you get some legal advice. Consider going to a solicitor. Surely your neighbour is probably breaking a law by denying you access to a service.

Would you ever grow up!!! It would be running through their property!!!

No one has a God given right for access in what ever regard to another's property!

Telephone lines were run across our back garden many years ago and they

were unsightly so I can understand the owners reluctance to accommodate!

nhunter100 · 24-05-2017 10:52PM

Jpmarn wrote:

Could you get some legal advice. Consider going to a solicitor. Surely your neighbour is probably breaking a law by denying you access to a service.

From reading the OP his neighbours are not denying him a service. They are refusing entry to their private property by a private company. The private company has an option to provide the service just at a more expensive cost.

road_high · 24-05-2017 10:53PM

Barry122 wrote: »

They're both retired urban teachers who own several properties so you can imagine their sense of power and superiority.

I hadn't even scrolled down this far but that's exactly what I'd imagined them- a pair of preachy busybody not-an-inch know alls.

g1983d · 24-05-2017 10:54PM

Get Eir to put a pole up across the road from the existing pole so the fibre can go from pole before neighbours to across road from them (added bonus of blocking their view) and then back to your house.
On a side note and trying not to be smug, I got FTTH this week and I'm delighted, 90mb

my3cents · 24-05-2017 10:55PM

g1983d wrote: »

Get Eir to put a pole up across the road from the existing pole so the fibre can go from pole before neighbours to across road from them (added bonus of blocking their view) and then back to your house.
On a side note and trying not to be smug, I got FTTH this week and I'm delighted, 90mb

Eir don't put poles up for anyone anymore.

thegills · 24-05-2017 10:59PM

Can the pole be moved to outside their property?

Tokyo · 24-05-2017 11:01PM

Fred Swanson wrote: »

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To the best of my knowledge, no they don't, compared to say, the ESB. We had a similar issue years ago - a neighbour was successfully able to prevent an Eircom pole going up in OUR land (viewable from their front window) because it was an eyesore (their words). Eircom at the time had no choice but to oblige.

The ESB on the other hand, can erect a pole where they need to. They'll try to accommodate the homeowner where possible, but they could put it up outside your front door if they wanted to.

degsie · 24-05-2017 11:03PM

There is a special place in hell for neighbours like that :mad:

ED E · 24-05-2017 11:04PM

TheChizler wrote: »

Surely if there was a fault with the existing line that required access to the pole openeir would have implicit right to access. How is this any different? If the existing line fell off the pole would they be obliged to allow access to replace it?

The pole is probably inactive or the cable wouldnt change anything.

Quazzie wrote: »

Cut down the pole. When it is replaced, your wire will be included.

Not if theres no service there.

caff wrote: »

Order a phone line and get them to run the fibre at the same time?

For one(two) homes they'll now just do a radio AFL as the neighbours being a twat and the work order would be too expensive to recoup.

g1983d wrote: »

Get Eir to put a pole up across the road from the existing pole so the fibre can go from pole before neighbours to across road from them (added bonus of blocking their view) and then back to your house.
On a side note and trying not to be smug, I got FTTH this week and I'm delighted, 90mb

On the road = Co Co + Planning = Headache = Never gonna happen for two customers.

OP: How wide/long is the objectors property? If you were to erect a new pole in your premises in the nearest corner what would be the span to the previous pole?(Not the objectors).

ED E · 24-05-2017 11:05PM

PS: FTTH adds 3-5% to property value. Tell them that nugget.

The Cush · 24-05-2017 11:15PM

CeilingFly wrote: »

Can eir not provide a phoneline fibre service of up to 100mb?

Limit of 2km line length from the exchange for eir-fibre/VDSL, at 2km the speed drops to 7 down, 1 up.

godskitchen · 25-05-2017 09:03AM

If their house faces a public road where the unsightly phone lines are, which I imagine it does, park a vehicle of some description outside their house. Something ugly and view blocking.

I'd be looking for the cheapest 40ft trailer I could find

grogi · 25-05-2017 10:22AM

Barry122 wrote: »

Seriously???? They can't do that? And I'm not the only one down the lane that wants ftth, its these neighbours who are blocking access to fibre.

Are there any regulations regarding access to phone services.

I don't think refusal like that is legal. In every civilised country there is an obligation on land owner to allow reasonable access to existing infrastructure, such as electricity, water, phone lines etc.

grogi · 25-05-2017 10:27AM

TheQuietFella wrote: »

Would you ever grow up!!! It would be running through their property!!!

You realise you are not living on a deserted island? That's what society is - liberties of a single person might are sacrificed for the good of others.

It might own the title to the land, but you don't universally own it.

my3cents · 25-05-2017 10:31AM

grogi wrote: »

I don't think refusal like that is legal. In every civilised country there is an obligation on land owner to allow reasonable access to existing infrastructure, such as electricity, water, phone lines etc.

Perfectly legal, at our last house we had to pay for the pole to be installed and it could only be done on our property. After paying for it to be installed it wouldn't have bothered me about anyone else using it but no one would have been allowed anywhere near it unless they made an offer towards the cost we had to pay.

AlanG · 25-05-2017 10:33AM

People I know were in a similar position to your neighbors - being put under loads of pressure from Eir to allow them run a phone line from their house to a new pub and sports facility being built behind them. Eir claimed there was no other option and the sports clubs put a lot of pressure on my friends. They held out and a month later two new poles were put up no the access road to the pub.

Eir can get poles put up and often do however they will always try to pressure for the cheapest option. Your neighbours are probably right and you will all end up with a better solution if they hold out.

Irish-Lass · 25-05-2017 10:38AM

Awe I spent many a year working on wayleaves to get cables across properties...the joys of dealing with narky people so don't miss it.

As for Eir as the neighbours have expressly told them that they can't enter the property the minute Eir do they are opening themselves up for a trespass claim and it happens. There is no legal obligation on the homeowner to grant access to their property for Eir, Virgin etc. Homeowners should be notified of a private company entering their property (unless of course they were invited on). Most cable companies will have Wayleave people who look after this sort of thing but if it is not financially beneficially to the company they won't invest the money. To get a road opening licence, dig, reinstatement works, man power etc you are looking at approximately €10-15k of an investment. If it is only going to benefit 2 people I couldn't see them doing the works. I would say your neighbours are already receiving some services free if they have a pole in their front garden.

grogi · 25-05-2017 10:39AM

my3cents wrote: »

Perfectly legal, at our last house we had to pay for the pole to be installed and it could only be done on our property. After paying for it to be installed it wouldn't have bothered me about anyone else using it but no one would have been allowed anywhere near it unless they made an offer towards the cost we had to pay.

Do you own that pole? No, you don't. You paid for the service of being connected, but you don't own any of the infrastructure.

Hard to believe inefficiency of the state combined with the unlimited selfishness of the people. Only in Ireland.

BlinkingLights · 25-05-2017 10:41AM

I would go with the approach that they are devaluing the effected houses and making the area less attractive to live in.

A lot of these people don't understand the significance of FTTH because they don't use the internet or barely use it.

We didn't get cable TV on my street in Cork because an old religious conservative Biddy in the 1980s thought that it was bringing "foreign filth" and did her utmost to frustrate the rollout of cable. Apparently she saw 1980s Channel 4 or something!

As a result we never got cable on this part of my street and Virgin seems to have no interest in addressing the issue despite the fact that she's long, long passed away.

FTTC works fairly well but I think urban FTTH is still a long way off as it's assumed we all have access to cable, which we don't.

In a rural area, access to broadband that is actually fast means the ability to work from home and all sorts of things that will make it much more attractive and viable.

Also the fibre itself is likely to be pretty unnoticeable after you stop looking at it !

plodder · 25-05-2017 10:43AM

Situation should have been anticipated by the installer if no-one else. You've a better chance of success if approaching a neighbour long before the installer actually arrives to do the job. If there are cables already running through this pole, then maybe Eir could sell it on the basis that eventually the existing copper cables will be taken down. It must be an unusual situation though. I'd have thought telephone lines don't normally cross private property, unlike the ESB, who long have had the legal right to do it.

Neighbours refuses to allow new ftth installation

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