Terrorist Attack in Manchester (Read MOD WARNING in OP Updated 24/05/2017))

rossie1977 wrote: »

Young disenfranchised men with little opportunity/future. Its the same problem all over the world. These kind of people are perfect candidates for religious radicalization or gang membership/drug runners

A very valid point.
When 2 very different cultures meet, the minority usually suffer what you have said above.

However there is an issue with this:
There are many marginalised/non-western cultures in the UK
Asian
Indian
South-East Asian
South-American
Eastern-European
etc

None of these cultural groups have the problems that those from the middle east (Muslims in particular) have, in terms of integration and co existence.

And now there has been huge influx of them into Europe, and we just let them in knowing the above. None of the above have been committing terror attacks in Europe. And now there are so many middle eastern refugees (who I do genuinely feel sorry for) pouring into Europe, so these type of attacks are going to be more common place. The refugees should have been allowed to enter Turkey and no further. Europe should have then paid Turkey to look after them until they could return home.
Turkey is a Muslim country, they can practice their religion there without falling into conflict with the West.

Can you actually imagine what would happen if you went to a place like Iran, Saudi Arabia, Iraq, Syria, Jordan and tried to set up a Catholic church? (I'm not religious btw). You'd be shot on the street!

On the attacker- why is someone so regularly travelling to terror and fundamentalist hotspots so frequently, allowed to arrive back to the UK and roam freely no questions asked? Surely this should start raising suspicions amongst intelligence service? It seems the authorities are terrified of being seen as racist and that is Britain's weakness. We've seen it before.
There should be checks as to what they are doing there, and on their return, regular checks and monitoring. Yes, freedom of movement and all that- but frequent visits to such hotspots can only mean one thing.
Time to pull the finger out.

anna080 wrote: »

On the attacker- why is someone so regularly travelling to terror and fundamentalist hotspots so frequently, allowed to arrive back to the UK and roam freely no questions asked? Surely this should start raising suspicions amongst intelligence service? It seems the authorities are terrified of being seen as racist and that is Britain's weakness. We've seen it before.
There should be checks as to what they are doing there, and on their return, regular checks and monitoring. Yes, freedom of movement and all that- but frequent visits to such hotspots can only mean one thing.
Time to pull the finger out.

In Europe it is relatively easy to tell where someone has come from via a flight
However, If a person was to fly from say Syria -> Turkey -> Greece -> UK this would be more difficult (but not impossible) to track.

The 2nd issue is the number of people travelling, There are thousands and thousands to people travelling to and from Muslim countries every day, it is impossible to screen them all.

c_man wrote: »

No evidence this guy went to a religious school. The London attacker didn't. The killers of Lee Rigby didn't. None of the 7/7 bombers did.


I suspect this guy will match the profile of other such attackers. Usually they have a criminal background (petty stuff, robberies, some with more extreme violence), a history with drugs. They've either recently become "devout" or the description of them as a practising Muslim shocks their families and friends in the aftermath.

Looks like security dropped the ball here. Guy's on a watchlist, goes off to Libya (great tourist destination...) and returns, free to do this?

His family are religious, so no surprise that he is.

The rest will probably apply.

grahambo wrote: »

In Europe it is relatively easy to tell where someone has come from via a flight
However, If a person was to fly from say Syria -> Turkey -> Greece -> UK this would be more difficult (but not impossible) to track.

The 2nd issue is the number of people travelling, There are thousands and thousands to people travelling to and from Muslim countries every day, it is impossible to screen them all.

They should work alongside Turkish and Greek etc authorities then, and together flag certain travellers making frequent journeys back and over. It's drastic but something has to be done.

wonderfullife wrote: »

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22 died from terrorism.

Taken over 15 years, more peanuts kill people in the UK than terrorists.

That's just a fact and facts don't care about your feelings or prejudices against the scary brown people who like the nonsense religion.

I've no problem saying Radical Islamic Terrorism poses a threat and the Security Services in the UK are correct to remain vigilant at all times.

I do have a problem with hyperbolic nonsense equating the threat of Radical Islamic Terrorism to the bloody plague. That's what some are doing on this thread calling for internment and deportations of all Muslims lmao.

Crazy to live in a world where 6,222 people commit suicide in the UK in 2013 and 3 people die from Islamic Terrorists and people think the biggest problem facing the UK are immigrant Muslims.

Nonsense.

Why the fook do you and others have to drag the whataboutery into these discussions.
Yes we all know there are huge problems with suicide, especially amongst young males.
But here is the fooking point, when someone normally commits suicide they only kill themselves.

Of course with an ardent believer in the "religion of peace" do it, they chose to take as many innocent non believers (and that includes other muslims who aren't as ardent in their beliefs) with them as possible.

You can avoid peanuts, you can avoid other dangers or mitigate against them.
How the fook to you mitigate against some lunatic blowing themselves up beside you or running you over on purpose just because they fancy slaughtering you.

Mr.Micro wrote: »

The majority of decent Muslim people have been around for centuries and ISIS here 5 minutes. People need to get perspective on this.

Ever look at the history of islam.
And before you jump in their yes the history of christanity and catholicism is nothing to write home about either.
But over the last century or more the christians and catholics toned it down a bit, stopped believing everything that was written down in some books and you know started believing in sh*t like equality, fairness, secularism, live and let live, etc.
Yes you will always get the far out loonies, but they are very much a minority and never get general acceptance.

On the other hand over the last half century islam has take a retrograde step and is headed back to the 7th century.
ISIS is just the latest most retrograde to date installment.
Wahhabism has been around for a while now and is being spread with the complicity of the west.

neverever1 wrote: »

How come they haven't taken over Irish cities?

Numbers.
Look at the numbers.
Give it time.

Ash.J.Williams wrote: »

chanting Islamic prayers out loud on the street

There is nothing unusual about a Muslim praying in public. Nothing at all. I've seen it many many times.

Lisa Lees has also been confirmed dead she was there with her friend Alison Howe who has also been confirmed to pick up their children

Polish couple Marcin and Angelika Kils confirmed this morning by the Polish foreign minister

Also missing Martyn Hett, 29 years old, was confirmed dead

I said yesterday that Courtney Boyles aunty confirmed she was dead, apparently that was a fake post and she is still deemed missing

Maybe if legal action is taken by the victims families against the state, it may get them to finally act on "Known to authorities".

TimeToShine wrote: »

Libya isn't currently accessible by plane - you have to fly to one of the bordering countries (Tunisia/Egypt) through France or maybe Turkey and then drive. I'd say the secret service will have their hands full tracking every flight into those countries.

Loads of ways to get there. Boat from Spain to Morroco and by road the rest of the way.

This is impossible to police.

Also, I really don't see how the British putting soldiers on the streets will prevent anything as they can attack anywhere at any time at any public event.