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Terrorist Attack in Manchester (Read MOD WARNING in OP Updated 24/05/2017))

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  • #1682
    pangbang
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 672 ✭✭✭pangbang


    Samuel T. Cogley wrote: »
    No it's extremely difficult to argue with morons, to paraphrase the cliche, you win with experience.

    You have no idea what you're talking about and there are no quick fix solutions. This guy was born and bred in Manchester and has been there since 1994. Now unless your solution involves a fcuking time machine, you're the one talking out of your hole.

    Stop commenting then, if your "point" and "argument" amounts 100% to "that's silly because I say so, no time to justify anything I write".

    GTFO, you enabler.


  • #1683
    Help!!!!
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,965 ✭✭✭Help!!!!


    Mr.Micro wrote: »
    The majority of decent Muslim people have been around for centuries and ISIS here 5 minutes. People need to get perspective on this.

    You dont think there was Islamic terrorists before ISIS?? Muslims have been killing other Muslims & other faiths since Islam was started to say its been happening 5 minutes is idiotic


  • #1684
    neverever1
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 864 ✭✭✭neverever1


    Irish Praetorian wrote: »
    Yeah I've got to call nonsense on this, Britain has indeed taken part in the wars of the Middle East, but it's seldom been hit back by the actual victims of those campaigns in terrorist attacks, its been hit back by its own citizens who share a faith and set of beliefs who then decide they need to wage a holy war. Now you can make the argument that the best course of action is not to wage such conflicts - which is fine if you believe foreign policy should be directed by religious fanatics rather than elected officials, and if your view of international diplomacy is co-terminus with that of Islamist fundamentals; I personally don't think East Timor should get the shaft because a bunch of nutjobs consider it unredeemed Islamic territory.

    But the more fundamental point is, it's not going to be enough, because before long those neighbourhoods and towns that host Europe's Muslim population themselves become the same kind of unredeemed territory, hosting the same sort of views, demanding their own peculiar accommodations (see the use of Sharia aspects of UK law) and coming into conflict with wider society because of that (think FGM and anti-gay sentiment). If you think that is not another flashpoint just down the road, that such differences can just be papered over with vapid sentiments of 'stop the war', then I fear you may be in for a nasty surprise.

    You can pretend that the long history of bombing the Middle East has nothing to do with it but I don't buy it. Okay, some of these young fellas won't know the history exactly but it passes down. The hatred for the west is deep routed and if you know the history of the area you can see why.


  • #1685
    Cheerful Spring
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,893 ✭✭✭Cheerful Spring


    Philippines soldiers battle Isis-linked gunmen on Marawi city streets. Just happened in the last few hours. Where is West news about this. A major battle is ongoing.

    Troops and a special police force were deployed to the city after residents in a nearby village raised the alarm and appealed for help.

    President Rodrigo Duterte then declared martial law and a state of emergency in the province of Mindano. General Eduardo Ano, the military chief of staff, said at least one police officer was killed and eight soldiers were wounded in the fighting.

    “I’m appealing to residents of Marawi City to stay home, drop on the ground if they hear gunshots," Mamintal Adiong Jr, the governor of the ​Lanao del Sur province told The Philippine Star newspaper. "They have to lock their doors and gates too."

    Local reports suggested that the militants had entered a local hospital and raised a black Isis flag above the roof, although this information was officially verified by the army.

    Witnesses reported seeing men in attire similar to that worn by Isis militants walking the streets before firing at houses and government buildings.


  • #1686
    Ken.
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,898 ✭✭✭✭Ken.


    Mod-Pangbang do not post in this thread again.


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  • #1687
    Ulysses Gaze
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,570 ✭✭✭Ulysses Gaze


    PressRun wrote: »
    Don't want to get too embroiled in political debates, but this sums up the bigger picture. People are running around trying to round up Muslims and this and that, but ultimately western governments are putting their own citizens at risk every time they cosy up to financiers and exporters of terrorism. Last month, Teresa May was kissing the ring over in Saudi Arabia. A couple of days ago, Donald Trump is signing a multi-billion dollar weapons deal with them. These being the same people who aided and abetted the 9/11 attacks and promoted the strain of Islam from which ISIS founded its rhetoric. It's easy to point the finger at the common man, but it gets a lot more depressing when you realise you're railing against politicians who are more interested in capitalism than they are in the greater good.

    Politicians don't give a fcuk about you, me or anybody. All they care about is power and money for themselves and their families.


  • #1688
    neverever1
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 864 ✭✭✭neverever1


    Help!!!! wrote: »
    No the Muslims in Ireland are different because they havent taken over towns & cities like they have in the UK. Go walk around Southall,Bradford,Rochdale etc you will not be welcome in areas because your white. Have you heard about the Rochdale grooming gang?

    How come they haven't taken over Irish cities?


  • #1689
    tomofson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,651 ✭✭✭tomofson


    Think its about time we got back on point, whats the latest from manchester?


  • #1690
    SkepticQuark
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 501 ✭✭✭SkepticQuark


    Help!!!! wrote: »
    No other religions Holy book tells them to kill the unbelievers. Christianity has moved forward with time & the majority of people understand its a book of stories. Sikhs will live among the local residents & will integrate.

    Factually wrong I'm afraid to tell you. If you hadn't made that claim the rest would be about right though. Christianity did reform but to make the claim that the Bible doesn't have such things in it is wrong. Islam does definitely need this to happen in the ME though for sure.


  • #1691
    Samuel T. Cogley
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,684 ✭✭✭✭Samuel T. Cogley


    pangbang wrote: »
    Stop commenting then, if your "point" and "argument" amounts 100% to "that's silly because I say so, no time to justify anything I write".

    GTFO, you enabler.

    It's been justified in the thread previously. You don't get to tell me how and where I express my opinion.
    Barbie! wrote: »
    Mod-Pangbang do not post in this thread again.

    Sorry didn't see this until after I'd posted. Post edited accordingly.

    I'll similarly withdraw again. I'm simply going around in circles not adding anything at this stage.


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  • #1692
    Help!!!!
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,965 ✭✭✭Help!!!!


    neverever1 wrote: »
    How come they haven't taken over Irish cities?

    Because there are not as many of them here :rolleyes:


  • #1693
    SkepticQuark
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 501 ✭✭✭SkepticQuark


    tomofson wrote: »
    Think its about time we got back on point, whats the latest from manchester?

    Last update from the police:
    https://twitter.com/gmpolice/status/867056194199990273


  • #1694
    wonderfullife
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,924 ✭✭✭wonderfullife


    jackofalltrades wrote: »
    When you have figures that high you can't make claims for what the "normal everyday Muslims" think.
    The minority isn't as tiny as people make out and definitely isn't small enough to prevent more of these attacks.

    1999 Poll in the Republic of Ireland:

    https://www.abdn.ac.uk/staffpages/uploads/soc207/polviolence.pdf

    45.2% of people surveyed had "sympathy for the IRA".

    How many of those 45.2% were involved in terrorism? Probably none of those surveyed.

    There's a bloody massive difference between having some ideological support/sympathy for a cause and in actually getting involved in violence and terrorism.

    Your point is nonsense. So what if people here had sympathy for the ideological struggle of a United Ireland or if ordinary Muslims have sympathy for a struggle against the West?

    You're presenting the idea that ordinary people in the Republic of Ireland were the problem for sympathising with the struggles of the IRA and that ordinary Muslims are the problem for sympathising with Jihadi struggles.

    Complete waffle.


  • #1695
    neverever1
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 864 ✭✭✭neverever1


    Help!!!! wrote: »
    Because there are not as many of them here :rolleyes:

    There's not as many Irish people either. Maybe they've been accepted and assimilated into society more here?


  • #1696
    tomofson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,651 ✭✭✭tomofson


    Its being reported the suspects whole family bar him and his twin brother moved back to libya in recent weeks... Also the other man arrested in connection with the attack is a 23 year old male, so was the attacker...


  • #1697
    Jayop
    Closed Accounts Posts: 17,387 ✭✭✭✭Jayop


    tomofson wrote: »
    Its being reported the suspects whole family bar him and his twin brother moved back to libya in recent weeks... Also the other man arrested in connection with the attack is a 23 year old male, so was the attacker...

    The inference being that the other male is his twin brother and that the family moved back to Libya knowing that he was planning to do this?

    Jesus scary stuff if that's the case, that it's possible the family might have enabled him to do something like this.

    Pure speculation on my part.


  • #1698
    Irish Praetorian
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,745 ✭✭✭Irish Praetorian


    neverever1 wrote: »
    You can pretend that the long history of bombing the Middle East has nothing to do with it but I don't buy it. Okay, some of these young fellas won't know the history exactly but it passes down. The hatred for the west is deep routed and if you know the history of the area you can see why.

    It's not a case of 'nothing' to do with it, which I distinctly avoided saying, it's a case of being unable to fix everything with a simple 'stop bombing' decision.


  • #1699
    RandomName2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,575 ✭✭✭RandomName2


    Beyondgone wrote: »
    Pleurf.

    This became a Politi-sh1t-fest rapidly anyway.

    Came home to read how the injured etc were doing and some facts...walked into a waffle-fest of "yeah but oh buttery" instead.

    1. There aren't many details available to the public.
    2. People want to find ways to stop something like this happening again.
    3. Other people want to stop things being introduced "to stop anything like this happening again" due to the potential of them doing more harm than good.


  • #1700
    tomofson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,651 ✭✭✭tomofson


    Jayop wrote: »
    The inference being that the other male is his twin brother and that the family moved back to Libya knowing that he was planning to do this?

    Jesus scary stuff if that's the case, that it's possible the family might have enabled him to do something like this.

    Pure speculation on my part.

    I would really hope not, but unfortunately when i heard this I couldn't help but to think it may well be the case.


  • #1701
    blanch152
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,852 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    tomofson wrote: »
    Death squads of loyal orangemen backed to the fullest by british intelligence killed way more than that.

    When the debate descends to "your terrorists were worse than my terrorists", you know that the IRA apologists are in town.

    Simply put, there is no excuse for terrorist violence, be that ISIS, IRA, INLA, UVF, Taliban or anyone else. When I see people today saying that the IRA bombings in Manchester were ok because they gave warnings or that other bombings were ok because soldiers drank in the pubs or that other bombings were some other alphabet soup other than the IRA, I get sickened.

    Can you guys leave the defence of the IRA to one side for even one day?


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  • #1702
    Widdershins
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,633 ✭✭✭✭Widdershins


    blackwhite wrote: »
    TBF - the concert had ended, so someone who was sitting beside you getting up and leaving isn't exactly strange behaviour.

    I was just describing what I remembered from the interview. I wasn't there, I couldn't comment.


  • #1703
    .........
    Closed Accounts Posts: 624 ✭✭✭.........


    If someone wants to go killing and bombing, it's pretty easy to find a cause as an excuse.


  • #1704
    Fratton Fred
    Closed Accounts Posts: 26,567 ✭✭✭✭Fratton Fred


    neverever1 wrote: »
    Well maybe the Muslims I know in Ireland are different because we haven't been dropping bombs on the Middle East for decades.

    Different to what? The 99% of British muslims who just go about their daily lives and would never blow themselves up at a concert?


  • #1705
    Danzy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,066 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    blanch152 wrote: »
    When the debate descends to "your terrorists were worse than my terrorists", you know that the IRA apologists are in town.

    Simply put, there is no excuse for terrorist violence, be that ISIS, IRA, INLA, UVF, Taliban or anyone else. When I see people today saying that the IRA bombings in Manchester were ok because they gave warnings or that other bombings were ok because soldiers drank in the pubs or that other bombings were some other alphabet soup other than the IRA, I get sickened.

    Can you guys leave the defence of the IRA to one side for even one day?

    Well I don't see why the IRA are called terrorists but that aside, even English people make the above points and even Conservative ones.


  • #1706
    tomofson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,651 ✭✭✭tomofson


    blanch152 wrote: »
    When the debate descends to "your terrorists were worse than my terrorists", you know that the IRA apologists are in town.

    Simply put, there is no excuse for terrorist violence, be that ISIS, IRA, INLA, UVF, Taliban or anyone else. When I see people today saying that the IRA bombings in Manchester were ok because they gave warnings or that other bombings were ok because soldiers drank in the pubs or that other bombings were some other alphabet soup other than the IRA, I get sickened.

    Can you guys leave the defence of the IRA to one side for even one day?

    Yeah i have been trying to move the thread past that and back on topic in case you haven't noticed.


  • #1707
    Danzy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,066 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    ......... wrote: »
    If someone wants to go killing and bombing, it's pretty easy to find a cause as an excuse.

    Yet that is a very rare thing to happen, maybe the odd lone actor every decade in Europe?


  • #1708
    neverever1
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 864 ✭✭✭neverever1


    Irish Praetorian wrote: »
    It's not a case of 'nothing' to do with it, which I distinctly avoided saying, it's a case of being unable to fix everything with a simple 'stop bombing' decision.

    Oh it's too late now. Britain flattened Iraq nearly 100 years ago. People need to understand how a hatred for something can build and last. It doesn't just go away and unfortunately innocents usually suffer.


  • #1709
    Yourself isit
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,257 ✭✭✭Yourself isit


    wonderfullife wrote: »
    1999 Poll in the Republic of Ireland:

    https://www.abdn.ac.uk/staffpages/uploads/soc207/polviolence.pdf

    45.2% of people surveyed had "sympathy for the IRA".

    How many of those 45.2% were involved in terrorism? Probably none of those surveyed.

    There's a bloody massive difference between having some ideological support/sympathy for a cause and in actually getting involved in violence and terrorism.

    Your point is nonsense. So what if people here had sympathy for the ideological struggle of a United Ireland or if ordinary Muslims have sympathy for a struggle against the West?

    You're presenting the idea that ordinary people in the Republic of Ireland were the problem for sympathising with the struggles of the IRA and that ordinary Muslims are the problem for sympathising with Jihadi struggles.

    Complete waffle.

    I don't see that figure in your link.


  • #1710
    Jayop
    Closed Accounts Posts: 17,387 ✭✭✭✭Jayop


    Irish Praetorian wrote: »
    It's not a case of 'nothing' to do with it, which I distinctly avoided saying, it's a case of being unable to fix everything with a simple 'stop bombing' decision.

    There's no simple fix. That's what I and others have been saying whilst being accused of everything up to justifying terrorism.

    Internment won't fix it
    Just stopping bombing won't fix it
    Not just supporting Saudi Arabia won't fix it
    Deportation of some suspects won't fix it
    Banning immigration won't fix it
    Force feeding Muslims Pork or burying them in pigs blood certainly won't fix it. (I'm still flabbergasted that these two were proffered as solutions)


    I'm not stupid enough to think that I'm smart enough to know how it should be fixed, but flashy slogans from both the left and the right won't solve a thing.

    I'd say the security services have a reasonably good record at stopping these things from happening, but that doesn't help those killed last night. So what should they do?

    Immigration needs to be limited and properly vetted. If they can't be vetted then they shouldn't get in.
    Radical clerics should if at all possible be removed. If they can be deported then do so. If they can be charged with a crime and locked up then do that.
    Stop supporting regimes that support ISIS and fund them. That seems a no brainer to me.
    And yeah, stop bombing people in the ME. It's not worked, it's never going to work and it's just making people more radical that are already here.

    Will those measures completely stop terrorism? Will they ****. They might help reduce it though.


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  • #1711
    Yourself isit
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,257 ✭✭✭Yourself isit


    neverever1 wrote: »
    Oh it's too late now. Britain flattened Iraq nearly 100 years ago. People need to understand how a hatred for something can build and last. It doesn't just go away and unfortunately innocents usually suffer.

    So because 100 years ago the killing of innocents is ok? Sickening bullsh1t


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