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Terrorist Attack in Manchester (Read MOD WARNING in OP Updated 24/05/2017))

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  • #1112
    Cantona's Collars
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,709 ✭✭✭✭Cantona's Collars


    AudreyHepburn wrote: »
    Let's try to avoid scapegoating shall we? The only one to blame here is the bomber - he's the one that should incur our anger and hatred.

    This was from a woman who was at the concert with her daughter, FFS back in the day when I was a teen,I was searched going into concerts.It's a sad reality that these days any gathering is a target.
    I go regularly to Manchester and am well used to being searched even before I get to Old Trafford and searched/frisked twice before I even get through the turnstiles.


  • #1113
    murpho999
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,768 ✭✭✭✭murpho999


    infogiver wrote: »
    Strip them of their citizenship and ship them all off on a one way ticket to their antecedents country of origin.
    I'm serious.
    Off you go.
    If your sympathising with ISIS or your not happy with the British government position on ISIS or you want Sharia Law then off you go.

    You know what you're asking is just impossible and a complete infringement on human rights.

    For example how do you determine that somebody is sympathising with ISIS?


  • #1114
    [Deleted User]
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    My gf asked "how do you stop this" and the answer is that you realistically cant. These f*cks are already in these countries so any talk of close the borders is a bit futile. Bataclan, Brussells, Lee Rigby's Murder, all carried out by Europeans essentially. They don't even need high powered weapons or bombs, as we saw in Nice and in Sweden. It's actually a terrifying concept. Yes Europe, on the whole is safe but make no bones about it, these pigs are holding the detonator and can press it any time they want. If someone really wanted to, they could take a massive truck and fly down Oxford St, Times Sq, or bloody O'Connell St on a busy Saturday afternoon. It's a horrendous concept but it's that simple.


  • #1115
    sjb25
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,416 ✭✭✭sjb25


    infogiver wrote: »
    Strip them of their citizenship
    If your sympathising with ISIS or your not happy with the British government position on ISIS or you want Sharia Law then off you go.

    I'd agree with you I'm not bashing Muslims not all are like these crazy madmen but I wouldn't be suprised if this bomber was "known to security services" seems to be common for these attackers

    So I'm not saying don't take any refugees in but I would be on the side of if you are " known"to be any of the above
    don't care where you wer born give me ur passport rip it up now fcuk of is appropriate enough I think forget this PC nonsense and oh there human rights etc etc if you are a know radical Islamic who supports anything to do with ISIS then round them up and put em on a boat


  • #1116
    [Deleted User]
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    I heard this on the radio on the way to work and the absloute terror I felt I had to pull over. I have adult children living in Manchester they are alright thank god. There are a lot of Irish in Manchester.


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  • #1117
    gmisk
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,436 ✭✭✭✭gmisk


    Gamebred wrote: »
    Kay Burley interviewing kids live on tv what a complete farce she loves anything death related.
    Her full title is grief vampire Kay Burley


  • #1118
    smelly sock
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,820 ✭✭✭smelly sock


    gmisk wrote: »
    Her full title is grief vampire Kay Burley


    Just change the channel.


  • #1119
    sjb25
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,416 ✭✭✭sjb25


    murpho999 wrote: »
    infringement on human rights.

    And this guy blowing himself up didn't infringe the people he killed human rights

    I no what you are saying to an extent but something has to be done I think known or suspected ISIS sympathisers is enough to fcuk them on a boat at this stage might not be right but what else do you do?


  • #1120
    blanch152
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,859 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    Jayop wrote: »
    Please please point out any post in this thread where I have in any way defended the IRA.

    Learn to read.


    Pointing out the semantics of which particular IRA group was responsible for which particular unacceptable atrocity is the type of thing I am saying is inappropriate today.

    In 21 years time, if another bombing happens by some other group, if someone comes along and says it wasn't ISIS but the Taliban who were responsible for last night, do you think any of the people affected either by last night or that future bomb will give a f**k? No, it will be completely inappropriate just like it is completely inappropriate to defend the IRA on this day.


  • #1121
    Call Me Jimmy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,449 ✭✭✭Call Me Jimmy


    The thing is if a family member commits suicide, even their closest relatives won't think solely of just how tragic it is. It's a given that it's tragic and so they try to sort it out in their heads. Why did this happen, is there anything we could have done. How do we take care of each other better etc. It's natural and doesnt mean you don't care that the person died, the opposite in fact.

    It's a ****ing mess and I obviously don't know what the best response is, but I know the worst is to ignore it and essentially shut down discussion.


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  • #1122
    qo2cj1dsne8y4k
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    murpho999 wrote: »
    You know what you're asking is just impossible and a complete infringement on human rights.

    For example how do you determine that somebody is sympathising with ISIS?

    Infringement on human rights are you serious? What about a child's human right to venture outside their own front door without the risk of being blown up? How did the UK deal with people in the IRA years ago? They dragged them from their beds and locked them up


  • #1123
    infogiver
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    Billy86 wrote: »
    Deport them from Britain to Britain, how would that work?

    The post you quoted: "And what do you do if, like often is the case, the bomber (if he even turn out to be an Islamist extremist) is a British born citizen to a British born family? Kind of tricky to deport them in that case."

    Wherever his grandparents who came to the UK in the 50s and 60s came from.
    Go back and read my post.
    His antecedents.
    If they came and failed miserably to assimilate or integrate into British society to the extent where their grandson feels such empathy with a terrorist organisation fighting in the "old" country then let them go "home"to hell out of the place lock stock and barrel.


  • #1124
    Gamebred
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    If England France of Belguim had any balls they'd bulldoze the muslim ghettos in their countries, breeding grounds for this stuff, we will have them soon enough in Ireland too.


  • #1125
    ThisRegard
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    Omackeral wrote: »
    There is no line anymore. None. Like with Canary Wharf and the World Trade Centre you could argue that the scumbags were targeting business centres/landmarks and trying to cripple the host country and it's economy but this is f*cking kids at a concert. Children. Nothing is below these animals and I can't actually see how it can be stopped outright. So sad and so utterly dispicable.

    RIP to those killed and hopefully the injured make full recoveries.

    Nonsense, people were a target on 9/11, and do you even remember the Oklahoma bombing and what was within the building McVeigh blew up?

    It's hilarious to see that people looked back at retro terrorism with some sort of fondness because they think it was principled.


  • #1126
    Nabber
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,855 ✭✭✭Nabber


    It's an attack on our way of life.

    The solution to a problem like this otter goes against our core values!

    Liberal sentiments out weigh conservative, but eventually that will change. Unfortunately there is likely no end to violence


  • #1127
    Beasty
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    zerks wrote: »
    This was from a woman who was at the concert with her daughter, FFS back in the day when I was a teen,I was searched going into concerts.It's a sad reality that these days any gathering is a target.
    I go regularly to Manchester and am well used to being searched even before I get to Old Trafford and searched/frisked twice before I even get through the turnstiles.
    I was at both Old Traffords as well as the Arena on Sunday. At the cricket ground there was no searching at all and they even allowed football fans in just to grab some food and drink. The football ground does have various security cordons, but that did not stop visiting fans bringing perhaps 50 or more flares into a recent Europa match. At the Arena they were checking bags but nothing else. However this happened outside the Arena, in the foyer. An enclosed area where people would have been milling around waiting for their kids to come out. You can't start searching everyone in the vicinity of an event (and bear in mind thousands will routinely go through the railway station every day), although I suspect this guy carefully planned the place and time he could do something with no security checks where it would cause maximum impact. It could just as easily have been after the final whistle as people were walking along the roadway under the Sir Alex Ferguson stand at just before 5 that afternoon


  • #1128
    ChikiChiki
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,949 ✭✭✭ChikiChiki


    Omackeral wrote: »
    My gf asked "how do you stop this" and the answer is that you realistically cant. These f*cks are already in these countries so any talk of close the borders is a bit futile. Bataclan, Brussells, Lee Rigby's Murder, all carried out by Europeans essentially. They don't even need high powered weapons or bombs, as we saw in Nice and in Sweden. It's actually a terrifying concept. Yes Europe, on the whole is safe but make no bones about it, these pigs are holding the detonator and can press it any time they want. If someone really wanted to, they could take a massive truck and fly down Oxford St, Times Sq, or bloody O'Connell St on a busy Saturday afternoon. It's a horrendous concept but it's that simple.

    The issue has been made much worse and more potent thanks to Merkel and Sutherland and the ridiculous open borders policies they promote. Its alright for them though. I doubt they will be around long enough to see the worst of it.


  • #1129
    Billy86
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    infogiver wrote: »
    Wherever his grandparents who came to the UK in the 50s and 60s came from.
    Go back and read my post.
    His antecedents.
    If they came and failed miserably to assimilate or integrate into British society to the extent where their grandson feels such empathy with a terrorist organisation fighting in the "old" country then let them go "home"to hell out of the place lock stock and barrel.
    Yeah, that's not how deportation works.

    If I or a family became radicalised your solution would be to deport my whole family to France since that's where you can trace my lineage to. And if you tried that, France would tell you exactly where to go. Just like if you tried to send a radicalised person born and raised in Britain back to their grandparents country of origin, that country would tell you where to go.

    And when that country basically tells you f*** off and that they won't take your citizens born in your country, what do you do?


  • #1130
    qo2cj1dsne8y4k
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    Billy86 wrote: »
    Yeah, that's not how deportation works.

    If I or a family became radicalised your solution would be to deport my whole family to France since that's where you can trace my lineage to. And if you tried that, France would tell you exactly where to go. Just like if you tried to send a radicalised person born and raised in Britain back to their grandparents country of origin, that country would tell you where to go.

    And when that country basically tells you f*** off and that they won't take your citizens born in your country, what do you do?
    Lock them up and force feed them pork so they're under no illusions where they're going and there'll be no virgins waiting for them


  • #1131
    red ears
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    Omackeral wrote: »
    My gf asked "how do you stop this" and the answer is that you realistically cant. These f*cks are already in these countries so any talk of close the borders is a bit futile. Bataclan, Brussells, Lee Rigby's Murder, all carried out by Europeans essentially. They don't even need high powered weapons or bombs, as we saw in Nice and in Sweden. It's actually a terrifying concept. Yes Europe, on the whole is safe but make no bones about it, these pigs are holding the detonator and can press it any time they want. If someone really wanted to, they could take a massive truck and fly down Oxford St, Times Sq, or bloody O'Connell St on a busy Saturday afternoon. It's a horrendous concept but it's that simple.

    We should stop all illegal immigration into Europe. Change the law so any business employing illegal staff are fined very significant sums of money. Return all illegal immigrants to their own countries and if they refuse to identify their country WE should identify them. It wouldn't be hard if we hired people to assess them. Give me a half hour with any Irish person and i could tell you if they are Irish or not. Hire Pakistanis, Bangladeshi's, Middle Easterners, African etc who could tell the authorities where these people are from. Get them all out of Europe illegals have nothing to offer us really have they. And we owe them nothing either.

    BTW legal immigration channels should remain open so we can being in people from all over the world if we need them and they have something to offer us.


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  • #1132
    circadian
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    LexieOnRale wrote: »
    Lock them up and force feed them pork so they're under no illusions where they're going and there'll be no virgins waiting for them

    That'll show them!

    Do you honestly think that showing no sensitivity to a whole culture and belief system will dampen radicalisation as opposed to fuel it?


  • #1133
    qo2cj1dsne8y4k
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    circadian wrote: »
    That'll show them!

    Do you honestly think that showing no sensitivity to a whole culture and belief system will dampen radicalisation as opposed to fuel it?
    Not to every single Muslim. There's plenty of normal compassionate sane kind caring Muslims among us. Then you've people who are willing to die following the word of their god. Take that away from them.


  • #1134
    Billy86
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    circadian wrote: »
    That'll show them!

    Do you honestly think that showing no sensitivity to a whole culture and belief system will dampen radicalisation as opposed to fuel it?
    Not to mention the endless complaints there would be about the cost of feeding prisoners pork every day.


  • #1135
    Yourself isit
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,257 ✭✭✭Yourself isit


    ...__... wrote: »
    Id agree with most of that except putting Hamas and Hezzbollah o your list there a Fundamentalist group who both want Israel wiped off the map Hamas wants to kill every Jew alive its even in there charter.

    They don't attack the west.


  • #1136
    jacksie66
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  • #1137
    pjohnson
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    Billy86 wrote: »
    Not to mention the endless complaints there would be about the cost of feeding prisoners pork every day.

    It can be the gone off Dunnes sausages. They wont be getting Denny's finest.


  • #1138
    Yourself isit
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    bubblypop wrote: »
    This bomb was in the centre of Manchester, an extremely busy city.
    Authorities had to evacuate over 80,000 people.
    It devastated the city.
    I'm not sure they cared whether anyone got injured or not......

    Well they gave a warning. If Isis - god forbid - ever get the iras level of bomb making capability we are screwed.


  • #1139
    Billy86
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    pjohnson wrote: »
    It can be the gone off Dunnes sausages. They wont be getting Denny's finest.

    Ah, have some compassion will you lad - there are limits!


  • #1140
    Hank Scorpio
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    ChikiChiki wrote: »
    The issue has been made much worse and more potent thanks to Merkel and Sutherland and the ridiculous open borders policies they promote. Its alright for them though. I doubt they will be around long enough to see the worst of it.

    That's the most worrying part, these problems are probably going to get far worse over time regardless of what happens at the borders and immigration policies in the future.

    Regardless of attacks like last night, there is a clear social divide and lack of integration developing in certain countries which only increases tension. It will lead to the rise of violent far right groups like what's been happening in the UK over the last few years and create a toxic environment for all involved.

    The solution will end up being violence, and violence is never a solution. The only lingering hope is that the middle east finds peace, but with the US/CIA ( wmd's ) at the helm that doesn't appear to be a promising prospect. They're literately funding the Countries funding ISIS.


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  • #1141
    pjohnson
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    For those using the citizenship excuse why do these lovely people decide to represent Islamic State over the British State? They've chosen their state of preference. Why insist they are still British?


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