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Terrorist Attack in Manchester (Read MOD WARNING in OP Updated 24/05/2017))

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  • #1082
    [Deleted User]
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    Snickers Man wrote: »
    Not to justify the IRA's actions but its Manchester bomb was hardly a no-warning suicide bomb packed with small metal objects deliberately designed to kill and maim kids, was it? It was intended to destroy property and cause economic hardship, which it did.

    Slight difference in focus.

    This bomb was in the centre of Manchester, an extremely busy city.
    Authorities had to evacuate over 80,000 people.
    It devastated the city.
    I'm not sure they cared whether anyone got injured or not......


  • #1083
    NinjaKirby
    Closed Accounts Posts: 221 ✭✭NinjaKirby


    punk_one82 wrote: »
    Yeah, the world has never dealt with situations worse than this before...especially not in the last century...

    Yeah and every situation we "dealt with" was replaced by another new situation.

    I don't doubt that the UK will eventually "deal with" Islamic terror attacks but it's going to be REALLY f*cking ugly.

    Then something new will come along.


  • #1084
    DrWu
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 250 ✭✭DrWu


    Horrific. Such a terrible loss of young lives. It does make me wonder how many people will express their horror and disgust and then go and vote for Sinn Fein.


  • #1085
    Hank Scorpio
    Closed Accounts Posts: 11,631 ✭✭✭✭Hank Scorpio


    Deleted User wrote: »
    At what stage does the b-b-b-but Hillary deflection end with you?


    "The IRA" I suppose being the most obvious bit.

    Deflection among all the posts about the IRA, in a thread that has little to do with Trump.

    It's intelligence, it shows the US knew the Saudi's were funding ISIS but kept selling them arms.


  • #1086
    [Deleted User]
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    biko wrote: »
    Deport all relatives of the bomber.
    You will find that whole families suddenly will care intensely whether one of them starts getting radicalised.

    What if they are British?
    Where will you deport them to? Their own citizens?
    Why not go further, maybe we should deport the families of all criminals because surely they must know what their relative is doing......


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  • #1087
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    zerks wrote: »
    Eyewitness reports on the news say the security was shocking, zero checks on any bags going into the venue.
    Little to do with it, the bomb was in a public place.
    bubblypop wrote: »
    This bomb was in the centre of Manchester, an extremely busy city.
    Authorities had to evacuate over 80,000 people.
    It devastated the city.
    I'm not sure they cared whether anyone got injured or not......
    Why did they phone a warning then?


  • #1088
    AudreyHepburn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,673 ✭✭✭AudreyHepburn


    zerks wrote: »
    Eyewitness reports on the news say the security was shocking, zero checks on any bags going into the venue.

    Let's try to avoid scapegoating shall we? The only one to blame here is the bomber - he's the one that should incur our anger and hatred.


  • #1089
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    Hank Scorpio wrote: »
    It's intelligence, it shows the US knew the Saudi's were funding ISIS but kept selling them them arms.
    And your hero will continue to do so. But somehow Hillary is brought into it. Kudos.


  • #1090
    Billy86
    Closed Accounts Posts: 23,495 ✭✭✭✭Billy86


    biko wrote: »
    Deport all relatives of the bomber.
    You will find that whole families suddenly will care intensely whether one of them starts getting radicalised.
    "Report your relative and get deported as a reward" - sounds like a solid incentive.

    And what do you do if, like often is the case, the bomber (if he even turn out to be an Islamist extremist) is a British born citizen to a British born family? Kind of tricky to deport them in that case.


  • #1091
    infogiver
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,505 ✭✭✭infogiver


    zerks wrote: »
    Not to be an apologist for the IRA but they tended to warn the authorities and didn't send suicide bombers into a venue full of kids.

    No they just left a car bomb in the High St in Omagh and ran away to safety.
    Please don't give them any credit over warnings.
    They often gave warnings that sent people running into the path of another bomb.
    IRA sympathisers thought far too much of themselves and their own safety to be suicide bombers.


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  • #1092
    Hank Scorpio
    Closed Accounts Posts: 11,631 ✭✭✭✭Hank Scorpio


    Deleted User wrote: »
    And your hero will continue to do so. But somehow Hillary is brought into it. Kudos.

    Because it's her email rofl.


  • #1093
    Boggy Turf
    Closed Accounts Posts: 427 ✭✭Boggy Turf


    biko wrote: »
    Deport all relatives of the bomber.
    You will find that whole families suddenly will care intensely whether one of them starts getting radicalised.

    Deport to where? What if many of the relatives were born and bred in Britain?


  • #1094
    Gamebred
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,269 ✭✭✭Gamebred


    Kay Burley interviewing kids live on tv what a complete farce she loves anything death related.


  • #1095
    prinzeugen
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,891 ✭✭✭prinzeugen


    zerks wrote: »
    Eyewitness reports on the news say the security was shocking, zero checks on any bags going into the venue.

    The attack was outside arena so you can't blame security.

    Also it was a concert for mainly kids and teenagers who can't be searched anyway, without a parent/guardian being present.


  • #1096
    francois
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,597 ✭✭✭francois


    RocketRaccoon wrote: »
    I have already commented on this. If the attacker turns out to be English (which I believe he will be) then it's fairly obvious he has been in contact with people who are coming from these regions. Stop the boats and this person may not have had his mind warped. Stop the problem before it becomes one.

    Many are radicalised online. What are you gonna do, shut the internet down?


  • #1097
    Jayop
    Closed Accounts Posts: 17,387 ✭✭✭✭Jayop


    blanch152 wrote: »
    I would have thought it better if people just stopped defending the IRA for one day given what happened last night and the parallels it draws for so many people. The nuances and niceties of the IRA being a better class of terrorists cold-blooded murderers can wait for a more opportune time.

    Please please point out any post in this thread where I have in any way defended the IRA.

    Learn to read.


  • #1098
    NinjaKirby
    Closed Accounts Posts: 221 ✭✭NinjaKirby


    AudreyHepburn wrote: »
    Let's try to avoid scapegoating shall we? The only one to blame here is the bomber - he's the one that should incur our anger and hatred.

    Yeah but you can't reason with someone who looks at a list of concerts and picks one to attend with a view to killing as many people as possible.

    Saying "the only one to blame is the bomber" is useless because the bomber is unlikely to think "well I don't want to get blamed for anything so I'll cancel my attack".

    If the security at the venue was lacking then that is a valid concern.

    The best we can probably hope for here is to increase security and try to protect people as best we can.

    If there is an element of society that is deranged and delusional and uncontrollable then the best anyone can hope for is to protect the general public from those people.

    Who the blame rests with is basically irrelevant.


  • #1099
    mcmoustache
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,237 ✭✭✭mcmoustache


    biko wrote: »
    Deport all relatives of the bomber.
    You will find that whole families suddenly will care intensely whether one of them starts getting radicalised.


    This is a bit blunt but the general idea can be refined a bit. I'm not comfortable with the idea of punishing relatives who, in a lot of cases, are innocent.

    I would instead suggest that, anyone who knew the perp and knew about the radicalisation but didn't inform the authorities be deported if they have a non-british citizenship. If all they have is british citizenship, then a long incarceration as deportation gets impractical and messy.


  • #1100
    Podge_irl
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 29,636 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    SnakePlissken wrote: »
    You can't argue that these attacks were perpetrated by British nationals and so halting immigration will not work, whilst with the other hand blame the attacks on foreign policy in the middle East.

    It's not that difficult to make the argument. A lot of the perpetrators of these attacks do appear to be local nationals rather then first generation immigrants. They don't get radicalised in isolation though - those who are twisting their minds to get them to do their bidding (while keeping their own selves self) can be from anywhere across the world these days.


  • #1101
    infogiver
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    Billy86 wrote: »
    "Report your relative and get deported as a reward" - sounds like a solid incentive.

    And what do you do if, like often is the case, the bomber (if he even turn out to be an Islamist extremist) is a British born citizen to a British born family? Kind of tricky to deport them in that case.

    Strip them of their citizenship and ship them all off on a one way ticket to their antecedents country of origin.
    I'm serious.
    Off you go.
    If your sympathising with ISIS or your not happy with the British government position on ISIS or you want Sharia Law then off you go.


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  • #1102
    kfallon
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,775 ✭✭✭✭kfallon


    DrWu wrote: »
    Horrific. Such a terrible loss of young lives. It does make me wonder how many people will express their horror and disgust and then go and vote for Sinn Fein.

    What in the name of f?ck does that have to do with the atrocity in Manchester last night???


  • #1103
    Jayop
    Closed Accounts Posts: 17,387 ✭✭✭✭Jayop


    kfallon wrote: »
    What in the name of f?ck does that have to do with the atrocity in Manchester last night???

    Absolutely nothing but another one who woke up with a hard on because he could post **** like that for the day.


  • #1104
    Billy86
    Closed Accounts Posts: 23,495 ✭✭✭✭Billy86


    infogiver wrote: »
    Strip them of their citizenship and ship them all off on a one way ticket to their antecedents country of origin.
    I'm serious.
    Off you go.
    If your sympathising with ISIS or your not happy with the British government position on ISIS or you want Sharia Law then off you go.
    Deport them from Britain to Britain, how would that work?

    The post you quoted: "And what do you do if, like often is the case, the bomber (if he even turn out to be an Islamist extremist) is a British born citizen to a British born family? Kind of tricky to deport them in that case."


  • #1105
    pilly
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 9,005 ✭✭✭pilly


    Romantic Rose wrote: »
    Is the average 18 year Irish male a practising Catholic? No. Their Muslim counterpart is brainwashed by their religion. I'm not blind, I see this everyday. Maybe you don't have a job where you need to see these things but I do.

    We get it, you hate your job. Get a new one instead of trying to push your stupid ideas on here.

    I mean seriously? Because you work with Muslims you're affected?


  • #1106
    bilston
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,006 ✭✭✭✭bilston


    Gamebred wrote: »
    Kay Burley interviewing kids live on tv what a complete farce she loves anything death related.

    That poor kid looked like she was about burst into tears...who could blame her???


  • #1107
    Jayop
    Closed Accounts Posts: 17,387 ✭✭✭✭Jayop


    Billy86 wrote: »
    Deport them from Britain to Britain, how would that work?

    The post you quoted: "And what do you do if, like often is the case, the bomber (if he even turn out to be an Islamist extremist) is a British born citizen to a British born family? Kind of tricky to deport them in that case."
    I think he means deport the brown ones.


  • #1108
    AudreyHepburn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,673 ✭✭✭AudreyHepburn


    NinjaKirby wrote: »
    Yeah but you can't reason with someone who looks at a list of concerts and picks one to attend with a view to killing as many people as possible.

    Saying "the only one to blame is the bomber" is useless because the bomber is unlikely to think "well I don't want to get blamed for anything so I'll cancel my attack".

    If the security at the venue was lacking then that is a valid concern.

    The best we can probably hope for here is to increase security and try to protect people as best we can.

    If there is an element of society that is deranged and delusional and uncontrollable then the best anyone can hope for is to protect the general public from those people.

    Who the blame rests with is basically irrelevant.

    Of course who's to blame is relevant. Otherwise how we would know what groups need to be watched etc.

    Trying blame anyone but the mad man who pulled the trigger is scapegoating, nothing more. And it takes responsibility away from him which cannot be allowed to happen otherwise these people will be able to operate with fear of being fought against.


  • #1109
    Podge_irl
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 29,636 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    infogiver wrote: »
    Strip them of their citizenship and ship them all off on a one way ticket to their antecedents country of origin.
    I'm serious.
    Off you go.
    If your sympathising with ISIS or your not happy with the British government position on ISIS or you want Sharia Law then off you go.

    How are you planning on forcing their "antecedents country of origin" to let them in? With military force?


  • #1110
    Ash.J.Williams
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,079 ✭✭✭✭Ash.J.Williams


    biko wrote: »
    Deport all relatives of the bomber.
    You will find that whole families suddenly will care intensely whether one of them starts getting radicalised.

    that's a great idea


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  • #1111
    jacksie66
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