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Terrorist Attack in Manchester (Read MOD WARNING in OP Updated 24/05/2017))

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  • #992
    J Cheever Loophole
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 977 ✭✭✭J Cheever Loophole


    An appalling crime - devastating and distressing in equal measure. I'm at a loss to try and understand the depth of hatred that would drive someone to perpetrate an act such as this.

    I heard a woman talking on BBC Radio 4 this morning who was desperately trying to find news on her teenage daughter - her mobile phone was not ringing when she called. As a parent of teenage girls myself, her interview outlined the stuff of nightmares.

    My thoughts and prayers are with all of the victims and their families.


  • #993
    hatrickpatrick
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,797 ✭✭✭✭hatrickpatrick


    buried wrote: »
    Dangerous times ahead, the fact that Islamic State has lost so much ground in Iraq and Syria they may really escalate the tactic of extreme terrorist attacks in the west, revert back to the methods of al-Qaeda before it, now that they no longer have a state to "run". What is even more dangerous is that there could now be either both cooperation or rivalry between these two fascist terrorist groups, al-Qaeda and IS. al-Qaeda is on the rise again, especially in the complete clusterf**k war disaster in Yemen and has new young leaders raised in absolute war hell. I can see more of this barbarity towards recreational events in the coming summer months i'm afraid

    AQ won't work with Isis. In fact it really says something about how batsh!t insane Isis are that Bin Laden instructed AQ to sever ties with them on the grounds that they were too extreme for his liking.


  • #994
    RocketRaccoon
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,651 ✭✭✭RocketRaccoon


    Thomas__ wrote: »
    Right in the middle of that is the Problem that one can?t tell one from another that easily.

    Exactly so close the borders until there is proper security in place.


  • #995
    murpho999
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,768 ✭✭✭✭murpho999


    muppetshow wrote: »
    Whats the excuse this time in the leftie liberal media?A lonewolf with criminal record,a drug addict,a mental case,or maybe just a muslim that read the Quran wrong again.

    Where has anybody made excuses like that?


  • #996
    Cantona's Collars
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    BPKS wrote: »
    Not even 21 years ago, the IRA detonated a huge bomb not 200 metres from last nights attack. Try not to re-write history.

    Not to be an apologist for the IRA but they tended to warn the authorities and didn't send suicide bombers into a venue full of kids.


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  • #997
    AnneFrank
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,827 ✭✭✭AnneFrank


    hatrickpatrick wrote: »
    Imagine you were an Irish emigrant living in America at the time of the potato famine. Imagine though that the potato famine occurred in the technologically connected world of today, meaning that you could see the horror stories being inflicted on your country and your people by Britain. Imagine you were constantly exposed to this on the news growing up as a kid.

    Now try to state with 100% surety that you wouldn't have got involved with an international terrorist movement which aimed to seek revenge for this and/or attempt to actually change the policy through fear.

    Most of us wouldn't. But then most Muslims of middle eastern descent don't join these movements either. The problem is that it only takes a handful to cause this kind of carnage.

    It really is that simple. The "they hate our way of life" garbage is American propaganda which was put out very shortly after 9/11, to counter the word of Bin Laden himself who stated very openly that his motivation for attacking America was American support for Israeli expansion since 1967.

    Throwing around simplistic explanations for an extremely complicated phenomenon is all well and good, but it's not going to solve anything whatsoever.

    This was part of my thinking alright, but those minority still need to be spoken to, just like our politicians had to speak to the nut jobs in the ira to stop bombing england. Loud shouty donald trump talk, like rocket raccoon will solve nothing


  • #998
    Coffee Fulled Runner
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 435 ✭✭Coffee Fulled Runner


    murpho999 wrote: »

    It's just impossible to stop these kind of attacks as nutjobs are everywhere.
    Best option is just to submit to Allah if that's the case.


  • #999
    xzanti
    Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 10,463 Mod ✭✭✭✭xzanti


    Only seeing the news now as I was in bed early last night.

    Just shocking :mad: my heart goes out to those affected.

    Heartbreaking.


  • #1000
    Quazzie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,679 ✭✭✭✭Quazzie


    zerks wrote: »
    Not to be an apologist for the IRA but they tended to warn the authorities and didn't send suicide bombers into a venue full of kids.
    :rolleyes: Such heroes them misunderstood IRA boys were


  • #1001
    NinjaKirby
    Closed Accounts Posts: 221 ✭✭NinjaKirby


    Conservative wrote: »
    There is nothing difficult or complicated about the fact that failed agendas like yours are sleepwalking us into more and more danger.

    Less Muslims = less attacks.

    I'm sure this seems logical to you on the surface but it could just as easily be said Less Humans = Less Attacks.

    Or, even better, No Humans = No Attacks.

    What price are we willing to pay?

    Even if 100% of terror attacks were Muslim attacks you have to look at the actual % of Muslims who are terrorists. It's a very very very small %.

    So we can't just say Muslims are the problem.

    We could MAYBE say that Islam is the problem but then I think we'd need to admit that maybe Religion is the problem.

    Extremism is the problem and all we can do is try to stop people from spreading extremist views and stop extremist views from being popularized.

    We can't just put people into internment camps and close our borders. We certainly can't just round people up because they follow a certain religion. It's not right.


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  • #1002
    Murrisk
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    cournioni wrote: »
    Everyone has those rights in Western society. You're missing my point, maybe I should have made it clearer.

    The question is, why do people seek to defend Islam from criticism? It's an ideology like Christianity or Scientology, two religions which people have no hesitations in criticizing.

    Any ideology where its followers murder people for drawing cartoons needs to be criticized in my opinion.

    It's because people feel protective of peaceful Muslims. We are all well acquainted with the Catholic religion in this country and know that most of its followers are good people. The Muslim religion is much more of an unknown quantity to many. And both religions have a chequered history of causing death, in different ways. Muslims are more... dramatic, I guess, in their way of achieving it, Catholicism is more insidious. But nobody would argue that most Catholics aren't peaceful. IMO, most Muslims deserve the same regard. Would people have been happy 20, 30 years ago to be lumped in the IRA just because they happened to be Irish?


  • #1003
    murpho999
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,768 ✭✭✭✭murpho999


    zerks wrote: »
    Not to be an apologist for the IRA but they tended to warn the authorities and didn't send suicide bombers into a venue full of kids.

    Yes they were a much nicer kind of terrorist!


  • #1004
    RocketRaccoon
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,651 ✭✭✭RocketRaccoon


    Quazzie wrote: »
    :rolleyes: Such heroes them misunderstood IRA boys were

    Nobody said anything of the sort.


  • #1005
    Cantona's Collars
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    Quazzie wrote: »
    :rolleyes: Such heroes them misunderstood IRA boys were

    I don't know if it was on purpose or not but the point of my post seemed to have gone over your head completely.


  • #1006
    namloc1980
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,449 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    NinjaKirby wrote: »
    I'm sure this seems logical to you on the surface but it could just as easily be said Less Humans = Less Attacks.

    Or, even better, No Humans = No Attacks.

    What price are we willing to pay?

    Even if 100% of terror attacks were Muslim attacks you have to look at the actual % of Muslims who are terrorists. It's a very very very small %.

    So we can't just say Muslims are the problem.

    We could MAYBE say that Islam is the problem but then I think we'd need to admit that maybe Religion is the problem.

    Extremism is the problem and all we can do is try to stop people from spreading extremist views and stop extremist views from being popularized.

    We can't just put people into internment camps and close our borders. We certainly can't just round people up because they follow a certain religion. It's not right.

    So tell us what we can do?


  • #1007
    BPKS
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,021 ✭✭✭✭BPKS


    zerks wrote: »
    Not to be an apologist for the IRA but they tended to warn the authorities and didn't send suicide bombers into a venue full of kids.

    In that case yes, but only a few years before that, down the road in Warrington, a young kid died after he left McDonalds when an IRA bomb hidden in a bin exploded.


  • #1008
    RayM
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,973 ✭✭✭RayM


    Conservative wrote: »
    There is nothing difficult or complicated about the fact that failed agendas like yours are sleepwalking us into more and more danger.

    Less Muslims = less attacks.

    The perpetrators are nearly always men...

    Less men = less attacks.


  • #1009
    Quazzie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,679 ✭✭✭✭Quazzie


    zerks wrote: »
    I don't know if it was on purpose or not but the point of my post seemed to have gone over your head completely.
    The point of your post was that somehow the IRA bombings which killed hundreds were somehow better because occasionally they rang ahead to let authorities know what was coming. I don't think the pregnant woman and the 12 children killed in Omagh would agree with your post.


  • #1010
    pilly
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 9,005 ✭✭✭pilly


    JCX BXC wrote: »
    I think the assumption that anyone is "happy" this attack happened is actually disgusting. I'm sorry but stfu. Nobody here is happy it happened, stop saying anyone is happy, children are likely dead, it's actually sick.

    It's a sad sick fact that there are people on the internet rubbing their hands with glee at this. Whether you like it being said or not, those are the facts. The amount of "I told you so's" today will be unreal.

    There are sad sick people out there who have nothing in their lives and an event like this spices up their day.


  • #1011
    Cantona's Collars
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    BPKS wrote: »
    In that case yes, but only a few years before that, down the road in Warrington, a young kid died after he left McDonalds when an IRA bomb hidden in a bin exploded.

    My point was that they didn't deliberately target kids.There's no such thing as good and bad terrorism but these fanatics take it to a whole new low.


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  • #1012
    [Deleted User]
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    RocketRaccoon wrote: »
    My issue is not with genuine refugees. My issue is with the people infiltrating these groups to murder innocent Europeans.

    Your posts say differently. You want refugees stopped from entering Europe. Your issue clearly is with refugees!


  • #1013
    Quazzie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,679 ✭✭✭✭Quazzie


    zerks wrote: »
    My point was that they didn't deliberately target kids.There's no such thing as good and bad terrorism but these fanatics take it to a whole new low.
    What about the attack in Omagh?


  • #1014
    Thomas__
    Closed Accounts Posts: 618 ✭✭✭Thomas__


    RocketRaccoon wrote: »
    Thomas__ wrote: »
    Right in the middle of that is the Problem that one can?t tell one from another that easily.

    Exactly so close the borders until there is proper security in place.

    Well, for that you´ll have to stop the war in those countries from which they are fleeing first and that would be wiser cos that would rather keep the people back home. But seeing that Trump has just made a deal with the Saudis to sell them weapons for around some $90m, a country who is allegedly supporting ISIL, makes the chances for peace even lower.

    The refugee problem is in part (and I mean not a less part) the result of the interferance of Western countries and latest of "Big Vlad" the Putin in that area. Now it is all backfiring on them.


  • #1015
    Coffee Fulled Runner
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 435 ✭✭Coffee Fulled Runner


    NinjaKirby wrote: »
    admit that maybe Religion is the problem.
    Damn Buddhists going around meditating


  • #1016
    [Deleted User]
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    zerks wrote: »
    Not to be an apologist for the IRA but they tended to warn the authorities and didn't send suicide bombers into a venue full of kids.

    Yes, the ira preferred not to put themselves into harms way......
    They had no problem blowing up innocent children though


  • #1017
    Hank Scorpio
    Closed Accounts Posts: 11,631 ✭✭✭✭Hank Scorpio


    What has the IRA got to do with these frequent radical Islamic attacks all over Europe?

    Maybe Trump can ring them up and coin a ceasefire, they seem like reasonable people.


  • #1018
    Thomas__
    Closed Accounts Posts: 618 ✭✭✭Thomas__


    Quazzie wrote: »
    zerks wrote: »
    My point was that they didn't deliberately target kids.There's no such thing as good and bad terrorism but these fanatics take it to a whole new low.
    What about the attack in Omagh?

    The Provo-Terrorist got the wrong street name when he called the Police to give the warning.


  • #1019
    Jayop
    Closed Accounts Posts: 17,387 ✭✭✭✭Jayop


    Quazzie wrote: »
    The point of your post was that somehow the IRA bombings which killed hundreds were somehow better because occasionally they rang ahead to let authorities know what was coming. I don't think the pregnant woman and the 12 children killed in Omagh would agree with your post.

    You probably shouldn't post about things you clearly know nothing about.


  • #1020
    Shurimgreat
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    It will be interesting to see how May and Corbyn respond to this.

    Corbyn needs to condemn it in the strongest possible terms, no wishy-washy stuff about UK foreign policy etc.


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  • #1021
    Cantona's Collars
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,709 ✭✭✭✭Cantona's Collars


    Quazzie wrote: »
    What about the attack in Omagh?

    I'm not getting into a point scoring exercise over who's the worst terrorist, the point is that some piece of scum walked into a crowd of kids last night and set off a bomb and here we are talking about the rights and wrongs of dissident republican atrocities.


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