Zimbabwe hunter 'crushed to death by shot elephant'

diomed · 23-05-2017 06:12AM

BlaasForRafa wrote: »

Paying large sums of money as a panacea for the thrill of hunting an animal for fun. He could have donated money to the park without the added buzz of murder couldn't he?

Yes, of course he could have contributed nothing like everyone on this thread.
Accept that people hunt, then accept that they contribute very large sums to do that (tens of thousands of dollars).
Ban hunting by rich people, and what remains is hunting by poor people who won't contribute.
There are farms in the USA (Texas?) called outfitters where wealthy people can hunt African animals.
This is hard to believe, but it is true.

We could have rich Americans hunting African animals in America (so convenient), and poor African people hunting African animals in Africa.
And everyone on this thread would be happy, and the animals in Africa would be wiped out.

Tom Mann Centuria · 23-05-2017 06:12AM

diomed wrote: »

Have you been to Africa?
Have you been to a game park in Africa?
Have you been charged by an elephant?
Have you spoken to a hunter?

I'm wondering how many posting on this thread can answer "yes" to those questions.

Have you looked at his website?

diomed · 23-05-2017 06:15AM

Tom Mann Centuria wrote: »

Have you looked at his website?

Yes.
I've read about the dogs and all that.
And I've been on a walking safari (cameras only*) with a young American who later became a hunter.

* we did have a guide with a rifle just in case.
* would people here be disappointed if he shot an animal that charged our group?

diomed · 23-05-2017 06:22AM

Have I looked at his website?

I've looked at his website and many other hunter website over the years.
People have always paid large money to hunt.

I don't see the attraction in hunting.
Many of the animals e.g. oribi antelope, are cute (the old Babycham ad) and stand still and side-on to the viewer.
That is not hunting in the sense that the shooter has to stalk and track the animal. Many animals stand stock still and are just target practice.
And wealthy hunters are not happy until they shoot bigger and bigger specimens.

None of that makes sense to me, but then psychopaths don't make sense to me.

diomed · 23-05-2017 06:30AM

I've come across snares in game parks, thick wire hoops that would choke an animal to death (we broke them up).
I've seen people in a pickup chase a herd of leche antelope, they singled out one, chased it to exhaustion, killed it, threw it in the back of the pickup, and started again.
Tons of poached meat was brought to a police station in the capital city as evidence of poaching. After the weekend the evidence was missing. Case dismissed.

The real problem is organised poaching financed by powerful people.
Clueless people on this thread.

Tom Mann Centuria · 23-05-2017 06:34AM

diomed wrote: »

Have I looked at his website?

I've looked at his website and many other hunter website over the years.
People have always paid large money to hunt.

I don't see the attraction in hunting.
Many of the animals e.g. oribi antelope, are cute (the old Babycham ad) and stand still and side on to the viewer.
That is not hunting in the sense that the shooter has to stalk and track the animal. Many animals stand stock still and are just target practice.
And wealthy hunters are not happy until they shoot bigger and bigger specimens.

None of that makes sense to me, but the psychopaths don't make sense to me.

Makes no sense to me either, and my opinion of him is unchanged. I hope he didn't suffer but I certainly have zero sadness about his death, nor would I have cared for the wellbeing of the rest of his hunting party.

Free-2-Flow · 23-05-2017 06:42AM

Tom Mann Centuria wrote:

Makes no sense to me either, and my opinion of him is unchanged. I hope he didn't suffer but I certainly have zero sadness about his death, nor would I have cared for the wellbeing of the rest of his hunting party.

I am a hunter, Altough I don't agree with sport hunting and trophy hunting.

I have shot fox and rabbits.

The fox are a danger to lambs and regularly take them away causing a problem for the farmer.

Rabbits destroy vegetable patches and golf courses.

Esel · 23-05-2017 07:21AM

Triggered I am, by the concern for golf courses and the economy of the locals - poor lambs.

nice_guy80 · 23-05-2017 07:52AM

I feel sad for the elephant
that is all

RobertKK · 23-05-2017 07:53AM

Elephants never forget, maybe the elephant had seen family killed before. They are a very family oriented species.
Maybe it decided kill or be killed and who could blame the animal. Survival is a natural instinct.

Too many big animals in Africa are killed for fun.

steddyeddy · 23-05-2017 08:05AM

I'm crushed by this news

Zebra3 · 23-05-2017 08:34AM

Free-2-Flow wrote: »

I am a hunter, Altough I don't agree with sport hunting and trophy hunting.

I have shot fox and rabbits.

The fox are a danger to lambs and regularly take them away causing a problem for the farmer.

Rabbits destroy vegetable patches and golf courses.

Farmers are a big danger to lambs as well. They tend to be the ones that take the lambs away from their mothers to have them slaughtered.

Free-2-Flow · 23-05-2017 08:40AM

Zebra3 wrote:

Farmers are a big danger to lambs as well. They tend to be the ones that take the lambs away from their mothers to have them slaughtered.

You've got me there

AudreyHepburn · 23-05-2017 08:52AM

Now THAT is Karma! And in all honesty it's no more than he deserves.

Hunting in all its forms should illegal worldwide.

Free-2-Flow · 23-05-2017 08:55AM

AudreyHepburn wrote:

Hunting in all its forms should illegal worldwide.

So how do you keep control of a population of species?

AudreyHepburn · 23-05-2017 08:57AM

Free-2-Flow wrote: »

So how do you keep control of a population of species?

Culling and hunting for fun/sport are two entirely different things.

Gravelly · 23-05-2017 08:58AM

Free-2-Flow wrote: »

So how do you keep control of a population of species?

Presumably if we hug the wickle animals and give them a leaflet on veganism, it'll all be fine.

Free-2-Flow · 23-05-2017 08:58AM

AudreyHepburn wrote:

Culling and hunting for fun/sport are two entirely different things.

Well I don't hunt for sport, I hunt for the protection of livestock and property.

ford2600 · 23-05-2017 09:05AM

Big game hunters can be good for health of wild animal populations.

Tanzania, with pretty strict rules, allows hunting of big game; but it is really expensive. The money (or at least some of it) is used to prevent poaching.

Kenya, doesn't allow hunting and has a huge poaching problem.

Sometimes you have to make hard choices.

AudreyHepburn · 23-05-2017 09:06AM

Free-2-Flow wrote: »

Well I don't hunt for sport, I hunt for the protection of livestock and property.

That's just as bad in my opinion. It smacks of just making up excuses to hunt.

When I said culling I meant the state sponsored controlled kind, like they do with the Deer in the Phoenix Park. Not shooting animals willy nilly under the guise of protecting yourself.

ford2600 · 23-05-2017 09:12AM

AudreyHepburn wrote: »

That's just as bad in my opinion. It smacks of just making up excuses to hunt.

When I said culling I meant the state sponsored controlled kind, like they do with the Deer in the Phoenix Park. Not shooting animals willy nilly under the guise of protecting yourself.

The bullet into side od stag's neck will feel the same whether state sponsored or private?

I have land at base of mountain, with busy regional road a little further down. Without private hunting the risk to traffic with be significant as the population would be uncontrolled.

People's mind change quickly after a stag dances on their bonnet/windscreen.

The population of deer would benefit from a more controlled/educated cull but the State ime don't really know or give a fcuk.

Free-2-Flow · 23-05-2017 09:13AM

AudreyHepburn wrote:

When I said culling I meant the state sponsored controlled kind, like they do with the Deer in the Phoenix Park. Not shooting animals willy nilly under the guise of protecting yourself.

Believe me when I say this because I'm plugged into the hunting World, State sponsored hunting is brutal.

A couple of weeks ago a Hunter for the NPWS (State) shot a pregnant Red deer in Kerry.

He then cut the Fetius out and left it on a public walk way.

Google it

Free-2-Flow · 23-05-2017 09:18AM

And when the farmer looses 3 Lambs in one night?

Who will he call?

The State?

Gravelly · 23-05-2017 09:23AM

Free-2-Flow wrote: »

And when the farmer looses 3 Lambs in one night?

Who will he call?

The State?

Apparently the farmer is the worst of all:

Zebra3 wrote: »

Farmers are a big danger to lambs as well. They tend to be the ones that take the lambs away from their mothers to have them slaughtered.

Scarinae · 23-05-2017 10:00AM

diomed wrote: »

Have you been to Africa?
Have you been to a game park in Africa?
Have you been charged by an elephant?
Have you spoken to a hunter?

I'm wondering how many posting on this thread can answer "yes" to those questions.

I can answer yes to all of those questions.

The elephants they encountered were breeding females who were defending their young. Surprising an elephant is bad enough, but surprising a group of female elephants with young is incredibly dangerous. It's not clear from the article but I don't think they were hunting the elephants, just ran across them? This guy seemed to specialise in hunting leopards.

Personally I have no time for trophy hunters. I think there's a big difference between hunting an animal for food, and hunting an animal to pose for photographs and then stick its head on your wall.

AudreyHepburn · 23-05-2017 10:17AM

ford2600 wrote: »

The bullet into side od stag's neck will feel the same whether state sponsored or private?

I have land at base of mountain, with busy regional road a little further down. Without private hunting the risk to traffic with be significant as the population would be uncontrolled.

People's mind change quickly after a stag dances on their bonnet/windscreen.

The population of deer would benefit from a more controlled/educated cull but the State ime don't really know or give a fcuk.

Perhaps you could have picked a better place to buy land than in the middle of the deer's territory?

I'm sorry but to me your attitude just smacks of looking for an excuse to hunt.

AudreyHepburn · 23-05-2017 10:17AM

Free-2-Flow wrote: »

Believe me when I say this because I'm plugged into the hunting World, State sponsored hunting is brutal.

A couple of weeks ago a Hunter for the NPWS (State) shot a pregnant Red deer in Kerry.

He then cut the Fetius out and left it on a public walk way.

Google it

That's disgusting but I believe most state sponsored culls are done a lot more humanely than that.

Shenshen · 23-05-2017 12:46PM

Free-2-Flow wrote: »

Believe me when I say this because I'm plugged into the hunting World, State sponsored hunting is brutal.

A couple of weeks ago a Hunter for the NPWS (State) shot a pregnant Red deer in Kerry.

He then cut the Fetius out and left it on a public walk way.

Google it

And he did that because he was state-sponsored? Wow.

23-05-2017 12:57PM

AudreyHepburn wrote: »

That's disgusting but I believe most state sponsored culls are done a lot more humanely than that.

It's perfectly good practice to gut a deer and leave the entrails. It stops the meat spoiling and gives carrion access to fresh meat. What should they do, give the foetus a burial?

osarusan · 23-05-2017 12:59PM

Deleted User wrote: »

It's perfectly good practice to gut a deer and leave the entrails. It stops the meat spoiling and gives carrion access to fresh meat. What should they do, give the foetus a burial?

TBF they were responding to a post that portrayed the whole thing quite differently and made the hunter out to be something of a psychopath.

Zimbabwe hunter 'crushed to death by shot elephant'

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