Zimbabwe hunter 'crushed to death by shot elephant'

exaisle

So there IS karma, after all.....

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-39996592

Zebra3

Good enough for him.

Hope the elephant's family chop his head off and display it in their gaff.

Your Face

Well I don't agree with what he was doing but I won't gloat over his death.
He was a father of five.

Parchment

Good enough for him.

suicide_circus

Victim blaming 🤔

Noveight

Live by the sword, die by the sword.

Sadly there are kids left without their Da, regardless of how much of a heartless dickhead he was.

Pac1Man

Ah, something new to masturbate to.

diomed

It depends on circumstances.
Some old elephants with ground down teeth are unable to eat and die from starvation. These are often shot.

We don't know enough to form an opinion.

dan1895

Heard this earlier and it genuinely made me smile.

YourSuperior

What a Dumbo.

Tom Mann Centuria

diomed wrote: »

It depends on circumstances.
Some old elephants with ground down teeth are unable to eat and die from starvation. These are often shot.

We don't know enough to form an opinion.

Article linked says he specialised in hunting lions and leopards with dogs. I have all the info I need to form an opinion.

Beyondgone

Tom Mann Centuria wrote: »

Article linked says he specialised in hunting lions and leopards with dogs. I have all the info I need to form an opinion.

Same. I'm quietly hoping the elephant fell slightly off, so there was a bit of lingering and stuff - erm, by which I mean dreadful pity..IRP and all that..

diomed

NEWS 24
A source who didn’t want to be named told Netwerk24 that a group of hunters had gone for a walk on Friday afternoon when they suddenly came across a breeding herd of elephants.
Three elephant cows stormed the hunters and Botha shot at them. A fourth cow stormed them from the side and one of the hunters shot her after she’d lifted Botha with her trunk. The shot was fatal and as the cow collapsed, she fell on Botha.

The thread heading is misleading
"Zimbabwe hunter crushed to death by shot elephant"

The article does not say he shot them.
It says he shot at them.
A different elephant lifted him.
Another hunter shot the elephant that lifted him.

Esel

Can we talk about the elephant in the room?

dan1895

dan1895 wrote: »

Heard this earlier and it genuinely made me smile.

A father dies after an elephant that attacked him was shot by another person?

And you get all "it's the most wonderful time...of the year"?

I'd say time to reflect in yourself...

Some sick people in this thread. People revelling in the fact that someone has died because he was a hunter? ****ing idiots

Jeff2

Your Face wrote: »

Well I don't agree with what he was doing but I won't gloat over his death.
He was a father of five.

This I don't get,it's the same with the news.
Father of x kids dies.
Why is he worth more than a single man.?
I'v kids btw.

willmunny1990

Anyone, be they a father, mother, son, daughter, brother, sister, aunt, uncle or whatever, who goes out with the intention to kill for sheer pleasure and amusement deserves to get killed themselves.

BlaasForRafa

Deleted User wrote: »

Some sick people in this thread. People revelling in the fact that someone has died because he was a hunter? ****ing idiots

these people hunt for fun, they think somehow it brings them closer to nature. This fella thought because he had a gun that he could go around killing whatever animal he wanted and this one time nature got it's own back on him.

Can't say I feel especially sorry for the fella.

Samuel T. Cogley

While we're reflecting on this father of five stuff can we reflect on the fact that the same father of five's hobby came with these risks and he chose to have five kids and continue with it.

Ken.

Crushed by a couple of tons of pachyderm was probably quick.
Now this lad probably suffered.
http://www.natureworldnews.com/articles/37594/20170426/revenge-of-the-wildlife-nile-crocodiles-devour-man-who-kills-wild-animals-for-trophy.htm


I have 0 sympathy for hunters that do it for fun.

dodderangler

BlaasForRafa wrote: »

these people hunt for fun, they think somehow it brings them closer to nature. This fella thought because he had a gun that he could go around killing whatever animal he wanted and this one time nature got it's own back on him.

Can't say I feel especially sorry for the fella.

They also put ridiculous amount of money into the pars conservation to take out an old bull which is a lot more than anyone here is doing to help conservation. So what he wants to kill an elephant but that elephants death would save herds of healthy elephants.

BlaasForRafa

dodderangler wrote: »

They also put ridiculous amount of money into the pars conservation to take out an old bull which is a lot more than anyone here is doing to help conservation. So what he wants to kill an elephant but that elephants death would save herds of healthy elephants.

Paying large sums of money as a panacea for the thrill of hunting an animal for fun. He could have donated money to the park without the added buzz of murder couldn't he?

Minderbinder

Deleted User wrote: »

dan1895 wrote: »

Heard this earlier and it genuinely made me smile.

A father dies after an elephant that attacked him was shot by another person?

And you get all "it's the most wonderful time...of the year"?

I'd say time to reflect in yourself...

You believe that story?

Junkyard Tom

'hunters'

These parasites are anything but hunters.

dodderangler

BlaasForRafa wrote: »

Paying large sums of money as a panacea for the thrill of hunting an animal for fun. He could have donated money to the park without the added buzz of murder couldn't he?

Are you donating? Have you contributed to the parks? No. You have not. The animals that are shot are old or weak animals no longer of use to the herds. If he wants to kill it then let him. He's paying the money. Plus the meat is harvested then to the local villages. Again he is still doing more than you even realise.

GhostyMcGhost

dodderangler wrote: »

Are you donating? Have you contributed to the parks? No. You have not. The animals that are shot are old or weak animals no longer of use to the herds. If he wants to kill it then let him. He's paying the money. Plus the meat is harvested then to the local villages. Again he is still doing more than you even realise.

Ha, contender for naivety of the month

Anyway, he's doing nothing now except sleep with the fishes.

In the jungle, the mighty jungle, elephants sleep tonight....

dodderangler

GhostyMcGhost wrote: »

Ha, contender for naivety of the month

Anyway, he's doing nothing now except sleep with the fishes.

In the jungle, the mighty jungle, elephants sleep tonight....

What are you? A child? Grow up kid.

GhostyMcGhost

dodderangler wrote: »

What are you? A child? Grow up kid.

Well not that I'm a kid but certainly when I was a kid I learned to respect animals and nature

dodderangler

GhostyMcGhost wrote: »

Well not that I'm a kid but certainly when I was a kid I learned to respect animals and nature

You haven't a clue about nature or animals. Hunters know about them. We need to know about them. And any real hunter out there respects everything he hunts. I'm not saying what trophy hunters do is good but you clearly are too blind to see the benefits of them

diomed

Have you been to Africa?
Have you been to a game park in Africa?
Have you been charged by an elephant?
Have you spoken to a hunter?

I'm wondering how many posting on this thread can answer "yes" to those questions.

diomed

BlaasForRafa wrote: »

Paying large sums of money as a panacea for the thrill of hunting an animal for fun. He could have donated money to the park without the added buzz of murder couldn't he?

Yes, of course he could have contributed nothing like everyone on this thread.
Accept that people hunt, then accept that they contribute very large sums to do that (tens of thousands of dollars).
Ban hunting by rich people, and what remains is hunting by poor people who won't contribute.
There are farms in the USA (Texas?) called outfitters where wealthy people can hunt African animals.
This is hard to believe, but it is true.

We could have rich Americans hunting African animals in America (so convenient), and poor African people hunting African animals in Africa.
And everyone on this thread would be happy, and the animals in Africa would be wiped out.

Tom Mann Centuria

diomed wrote: »

Have you been to Africa?
Have you been to a game park in Africa?
Have you been charged by an elephant?
Have you spoken to a hunter?

I'm wondering how many posting on this thread can answer "yes" to those questions.

Have you looked at his website?

diomed

Tom Mann Centuria wrote: »

Have you looked at his website?

Yes.
I've read about the dogs and all that.
And I've been on a walking safari (cameras only*) with a young American who later became a hunter.

* we did have a guide with a rifle just in case.
* would people here be disappointed if he shot an animal that charged our group?

diomed

Have I looked at his website?

I've looked at his website and many other hunter website over the years.
People have always paid large money to hunt.

I don't see the attraction in hunting.
Many of the animals e.g. oribi antelope, are cute (the old Babycham ad) and stand still and side-on to the viewer.
That is not hunting in the sense that the shooter has to stalk and track the animal. Many animals stand stock still and are just target practice.
And wealthy hunters are not happy until they shoot bigger and bigger specimens.

None of that makes sense to me, but then psychopaths don't make sense to me.

diomed

I've come across snares in game parks, thick wire hoops that would choke an animal to death (we broke them up).
I've seen people in a pickup chase a herd of leche antelope, they singled out one, chased it to exhaustion, killed it, threw it in the back of the pickup, and started again.
Tons of poached meat was brought to a police station in the capital city as evidence of poaching. After the weekend the evidence was missing. Case dismissed.

The real problem is organised poaching financed by powerful people.
Clueless people on this thread.

Tom Mann Centuria

diomed wrote: »

Have I looked at his website?

I've looked at his website and many other hunter website over the years.
People have always paid large money to hunt.

I don't see the attraction in hunting.
Many of the animals e.g. oribi antelope, are cute (the old Babycham ad) and stand still and side on to the viewer.
That is not hunting in the sense that the shooter has to stalk and track the animal. Many animals stand stock still and are just target practice.
And wealthy hunters are not happy until they shoot bigger and bigger specimens.

None of that makes sense to me, but the psychopaths don't make sense to me.

Makes no sense to me either, and my opinion of him is unchanged. I hope he didn't suffer but I certainly have zero sadness about his death, nor would I have cared for the wellbeing of the rest of his hunting party.

Free-2-Flow

Tom Mann Centuria wrote:

Makes no sense to me either, and my opinion of him is unchanged. I hope he didn't suffer but I certainly have zero sadness about his death, nor would I have cared for the wellbeing of the rest of his hunting party.

I am a hunter, Altough I don't agree with sport hunting and trophy hunting.

I have shot fox and rabbits.

The fox are a danger to lambs and regularly take them away causing a problem for the farmer.

Rabbits destroy vegetable patches and golf courses.

Esel

Triggered I am, by the concern for golf courses and the economy of the locals - poor lambs.

nice_guy80

I feel sad for the elephant
that is all

RobertKK

Elephants never forget, maybe the elephant had seen family killed before. They are a very family oriented species.
Maybe it decided kill or be killed and who could blame the animal. Survival is a natural instinct.

Too many big animals in Africa are killed for fun.

steddyeddy

I'm crushed by this news

Zebra3

Free-2-Flow wrote: »

I am a hunter, Altough I don't agree with sport hunting and trophy hunting.

I have shot fox and rabbits.

The fox are a danger to lambs and regularly take them away causing a problem for the farmer.

Rabbits destroy vegetable patches and golf courses.

Farmers are a big danger to lambs as well. They tend to be the ones that take the lambs away from their mothers to have them slaughtered.

Free-2-Flow

Zebra3 wrote:

Farmers are a big danger to lambs as well. They tend to be the ones that take the lambs away from their mothers to have them slaughtered.

You've got me there

AudreyHepburn

Now THAT is Karma! And in all honesty it's no more than he deserves.

Hunting in all its forms should illegal worldwide.

Free-2-Flow

AudreyHepburn wrote:

Hunting in all its forms should illegal worldwide.

So how do you keep control of a population of species?

AudreyHepburn

Free-2-Flow wrote: »

So how do you keep control of a population of species?

Culling and hunting for fun/sport are two entirely different things.

Gravelly

Free-2-Flow wrote: »

So how do you keep control of a population of species?

Presumably if we hug the wickle animals and give them a leaflet on veganism, it'll all be fine.

Free-2-Flow

AudreyHepburn wrote:

Culling and hunting for fun/sport are two entirely different things.

Well I don't hunt for sport, I hunt for the protection of livestock and property.

ford2600

Big game hunters can be good for health of wild animal populations.

Tanzania, with pretty strict rules, allows hunting of big game; but it is really expensive. The money (or at least some of it) is used to prevent poaching.

Kenya, doesn't allow hunting and has a huge poaching problem.

Sometimes you have to make hard choices.

AudreyHepburn

Free-2-Flow wrote: »

Well I don't hunt for sport, I hunt for the protection of livestock and property.

That's just as bad in my opinion. It smacks of just making up excuses to hunt.

When I said culling I meant the state sponsored controlled kind, like they do with the Deer in the Phoenix Park. Not shooting animals willy nilly under the guise of protecting yourself.