Zimbabwe hunter 'crushed to death by shot elephant'

BlaasForRafa wrote: »

Paying large sums of money as a panacea for the thrill of hunting an animal for fun. He could have donated money to the park without the added buzz of murder couldn't he?

Yes, of course he could have contributed nothing like everyone on this thread.
Accept that people hunt, then accept that they contribute very large sums to do that (tens of thousands of dollars).
Ban hunting by rich people, and what remains is hunting by poor people who won't contribute.
There are farms in the USA (Texas?) called outfitters where wealthy people can hunt African animals.
This is hard to believe, but it is true.

We could have rich Americans hunting African animals in America (so convenient), and poor African people hunting African animals in Africa.
And everyone on this thread would be happy, and the animals in Africa would be wiped out.

Tom Mann Centuria

diomed wrote: »

Have you been to Africa?
Have you been to a game park in Africa?
Have you been charged by an elephant?
Have you spoken to a hunter?

I'm wondering how many posting on this thread can answer "yes" to those questions.

Have you looked at his website?

Tom Mann Centuria wrote: »

Have you looked at his website?

Yes.
I've read about the dogs and all that.
And I've been on a walking safari (cameras only*) with a young American who later became a hunter.

* we did have a guide with a rifle just in case.
* would people here be disappointed if he shot an animal that charged our group?

Have I looked at his website?

I've looked at his website and many other hunter website over the years.
People have always paid large money to hunt.

I don't see the attraction in hunting.
Many of the animals e.g. oribi antelope, are cute (the old Babycham ad) and stand still and side-on to the viewer.
That is not hunting in the sense that the shooter has to stalk and track the animal. Many animals stand stock still and are just target practice.
And wealthy hunters are not happy until they shoot bigger and bigger specimens.

None of that makes sense to me, but then psychopaths don't make sense to me.

I've come across snares in game parks, thick wire hoops that would choke an animal to death (we broke them up).
I've seen people in a pickup chase a herd of leche antelope, they singled out one, chased it to exhaustion, killed it, threw it in the back of the pickup, and started again.
Tons of poached meat was brought to a police station in the capital city as evidence of poaching. After the weekend the evidence was missing. Case dismissed.

The real problem is organised poaching financed by powerful people.
Clueless people on this thread.

Tom Mann Centuria

diomed wrote: »

Have I looked at his website?

I've looked at his website and many other hunter website over the years.
People have always paid large money to hunt.

I don't see the attraction in hunting.
Many of the animals e.g. oribi antelope, are cute (the old Babycham ad) and stand still and side on to the viewer.
That is not hunting in the sense that the shooter has to stalk and track the animal. Many animals stand stock still and are just target practice.
And wealthy hunters are not happy until they shoot bigger and bigger specimens.

None of that makes sense to me, but the psychopaths don't make sense to me.

Makes no sense to me either, and my opinion of him is unchanged. I hope he didn't suffer but I certainly have zero sadness about his death, nor would I have cared for the wellbeing of the rest of his hunting party.

Tom Mann Centuria wrote:

Makes no sense to me either, and my opinion of him is unchanged. I hope he didn't suffer but I certainly have zero sadness about his death, nor would I have cared for the wellbeing of the rest of his hunting party.

I am a hunter, Altough I don't agree with sport hunting and trophy hunting.

I have shot fox and rabbits.

The fox are a danger to lambs and regularly take them away causing a problem for the farmer.

Rabbits destroy vegetable patches and golf courses.

Esel

Triggered I am, by the concern for golf courses and the economy of the locals - poor lambs.

nice_guy80

I feel sad for the elephant
that is all

RobertKK

Elephants never forget, maybe the elephant had seen family killed before. They are a very family oriented species.
Maybe it decided kill or be killed and who could blame the animal. Survival is a natural instinct.

Too many big animals in Africa are killed for fun.

steddyeddy

I'm crushed by this news

Zebra3

Free-2-Flow wrote: »

I am a hunter, Altough I don't agree with sport hunting and trophy hunting.

I have shot fox and rabbits.

The fox are a danger to lambs and regularly take them away causing a problem for the farmer.

Rabbits destroy vegetable patches and golf courses.

Farmers are a big danger to lambs as well. They tend to be the ones that take the lambs away from their mothers to have them slaughtered.

Zebra3 wrote:

Farmers are a big danger to lambs as well. They tend to be the ones that take the lambs away from their mothers to have them slaughtered.

You've got me there

Now THAT is Karma! And in all honesty it's no more than he deserves.

Hunting in all its forms should illegal worldwide.

AudreyHepburn wrote:

Hunting in all its forms should illegal worldwide.

So how do you keep control of a population of species?

Free-2-Flow wrote: »

So how do you keep control of a population of species?

Culling and hunting for fun/sport are two entirely different things.

Gravelly

Free-2-Flow wrote: »

So how do you keep control of a population of species?

Presumably if we hug the wickle animals and give them a leaflet on veganism, it'll all be fine.

AudreyHepburn wrote:

Culling and hunting for fun/sport are two entirely different things.

Well I don't hunt for sport, I hunt for the protection of livestock and property.

ford2600

Big game hunters can be good for health of wild animal populations.

Tanzania, with pretty strict rules, allows hunting of big game; but it is really expensive. The money (or at least some of it) is used to prevent poaching.

Kenya, doesn't allow hunting and has a huge poaching problem.

Sometimes you have to make hard choices.

Free-2-Flow wrote: »

Well I don't hunt for sport, I hunt for the protection of livestock and property.

That's just as bad in my opinion. It smacks of just making up excuses to hunt.

When I said culling I meant the state sponsored controlled kind, like they do with the Deer in the Phoenix Park. Not shooting animals willy nilly under the guise of protecting yourself.

ford2600

AudreyHepburn wrote: »

That's just as bad in my opinion. It smacks of just making up excuses to hunt.

When I said culling I meant the state sponsored controlled kind, like they do with the Deer in the Phoenix Park. Not shooting animals willy nilly under the guise of protecting yourself.

The bullet into side od stag's neck will feel the same whether state sponsored or private?

I have land at base of mountain, with busy regional road a little further down. Without private hunting the risk to traffic with be significant as the population would be uncontrolled.

People's mind change quickly after a stag dances on their bonnet/windscreen.

The population of deer would benefit from a more controlled/educated cull but the State ime don't really know or give a fcuk.

AudreyHepburn wrote:

When I said culling I meant the state sponsored controlled kind, like they do with the Deer in the Phoenix Park. Not shooting animals willy nilly under the guise of protecting yourself.

Believe me when I say this because I'm plugged into the hunting World, State sponsored hunting is brutal.

A couple of weeks ago a Hunter for the NPWS (State) shot a pregnant Red deer in Kerry.

He then cut the Fetius out and left it on a public walk way.

Google it

And when the farmer looses 3 Lambs in one night?

Who will he call?

The State?

Gravelly

Free-2-Flow wrote: »

And when the farmer looses 3 Lambs in one night?

Who will he call?

The State?

Apparently the farmer is the worst of all:

Zebra3 wrote: »

Farmers are a big danger to lambs as well. They tend to be the ones that take the lambs away from their mothers to have them slaughtered.

Scarinae

diomed wrote: »

Have you been to Africa?
Have you been to a game park in Africa?
Have you been charged by an elephant?
Have you spoken to a hunter?

I'm wondering how many posting on this thread can answer "yes" to those questions.

I can answer yes to all of those questions.

The elephants they encountered were breeding females who were defending their young. Surprising an elephant is bad enough, but surprising a group of female elephants with young is incredibly dangerous. It's not clear from the article but I don't think they were hunting the elephants, just ran across them? This guy seemed to specialise in hunting leopards.

Personally I have no time for trophy hunters. I think there's a big difference between hunting an animal for food, and hunting an animal to pose for photographs and then stick its head on your wall.

ford2600 wrote: »

The bullet into side od stag's neck will feel the same whether state sponsored or private?

I have land at base of mountain, with busy regional road a little further down. Without private hunting the risk to traffic with be significant as the population would be uncontrolled.

People's mind change quickly after a stag dances on their bonnet/windscreen.

The population of deer would benefit from a more controlled/educated cull but the State ime don't really know or give a fcuk.

Perhaps you could have picked a better place to buy land than in the middle of the deer's territory?

I'm sorry but to me your attitude just smacks of looking for an excuse to hunt.