Terrorist Attack in Manchester (Read MOD WARNING in OP Updated 24/05/2017))

Really Interested · 23-05-2017 08:19AM

Je_suis_Jean wrote: »

Absolutely not true. Check any atrocity during the IRA campaign and then look up the next days newspaper to see immediate condemnations from the leading politicians of the day (both govt and opposition), religious leaders and others.

The lack of similar condemnations from the leaders of Islam is deafening.

https://www.google.ie/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/mar/23/uk-muslim-leaders-condemn-cowardly-london-attack

"The Muslim Council of Britain, which condemned the attack and offered prayers for the victims on Wednesday, issued a further statement on Thursday praising the Met police, the prime minister and the mayor of London.

The group’s general secretary, Harun Khan, said: “This attack was cowardly and depraved. There is no justification for this act whatsoever. The best response to this outrage is to make sure we come together in solidarity and not allow the terrorists to divide us."

http://en.radiovaticana.va/news/2017/04/10/muslim_leaders_condemn_attacks_on_egypts_coptic_churches/1304748

https://thinkprogress.org/heres-your-list-of-muslim-leaders-around-the-world-that-condemned-the-massacre-in-orlando-102457ade0aa[URL][/url]

RocketRaccoon · 23-05-2017 08:19AM

punk_one82 wrote: »

Yes, back to the "every refugee is a terrorist" sentiment. Well done.

I didn't say that. I am asking is it OK for these terrorists to even be given the slightest opportunity to get into Europe so they can eliminate our children?

23-05-2017 08:20AM

RocketRaccoon wrote: »

And I really hope the people defending this nonsense aren't caught up in it and all of their family are safe in the aftermath.

Who is defending this attack?

chupacabra · 23-05-2017 08:20AM

OhHiMark wrote: »

Admit it, you've been delighted since this happened haven't you?

You should be ashamed of yourself. Get some help.

RIP to the victims.

The_Kew_Tour · 23-05-2017 08:21AM

ffs give it a rest!!!

both sides.

Its Pathetic.

Fair enough if want have a discussion, but the stupid digs surely can wait for another time.

Yourself isit · 23-05-2017 08:22AM

Erik Shin wrote: »

Regardless of your views on Islam, I do have a horrid feeling that it's just a matter of time before we see an attack in Ireland.
We have Facebook, Google etc in Dublin, American planes refuelling at Shannon....Any one of these could be used as an excuse for an attack....As someone who was in Paris on Nov 13th, it is a very, very scary thought

Surely the thing to worry about is we have pop concerts in Dublin.

AnneFrank · 23-05-2017 08:22AM

Discodog wrote: »

Would there of been the same reaction here to the IRA bombing of Manchester ? Stop all Irish immigration, ban Catholicism etc ?

Security at the arena made a huge mistake.

I'm not sure that's fair, it happened outside the stadium, this sort of thing is very hard to police, that's the problem

Hank Scorpio · 23-05-2017 08:22AM

Really Interested wrote: »

"The best response to this outrage is to make sure we come together in solidarity and not allow the terrorists to divide us."

Now where have I heard that before...

Guy:Incognito · 23-05-2017 08:22AM

pjohnson wrote: »

Syria where they can be with their like minded friends?

Ah, my bad, I hadn't realised I was dealing with stupid.clearly gave you far too much credit. I'll leave it there.

RocketRaccoon · 23-05-2017 08:22AM

bubblypop wrote: »

Who is defending this attack?

Sorry, I should have clarified. The nonsense I was talking about is allowing refugees in without any sort of vetting. Of course nobody is defending the attack.

smelly sock · 23-05-2017 08:23AM

You'd have to worry that an attack like this in ireland is extremely likely.

RocketRaccoon · 23-05-2017 08:23AM

AnneFrank wrote: »

I'm not sure that's fair, it happened outside the stadium, this sort of thing is very hard to police, that's the problem

No it didn't, it happened in the foyer.

RocketRaccoon · 23-05-2017 08:24AM

smelly sock wrote: »

You'd have to worry that an attack like this in ireland is extremely likely.

No it is OK, all the refugees in our country are fine. None of them will want to cause any damage.

evil_seed · 23-05-2017 08:24AM

when I saw the news this morning and it being reported as "a "terror" attack" I thought to myself, oh here we go. Terror is now the code word for Islam. Terrorist attacks are terrorist attacks regardless of the religiouls background of the perpetrator. The incident in Times square last week is also a terrorist attack in my view. Just because he is American, and local to NY does not detract from the definition. Why do the media have to use code words now? And what's worse is it subliminally changes your own view, so when I saw "Terror" I immediately thought Islam, then had to say "F*** you self".
/rant

Game Face MCGee · 23-05-2017 08:24AM

So sad to see this happen to people just out for a night to enjoy themselves,

RobertKK · 23-05-2017 08:26AM

I was watching Gogglebox last Friday, on it they showed the program about the real life story of the girls who were groomed to have sex with Asian Muslim men in Rochdale.
The Siddiqui family who are Asian Muslim men on the show said it was hard to watch knowing people would associate them with these men due to where they came from. They were clearly sickened by what the men in Rochdale had done.

The vast vast majority of Muslims will be absolutely sickened by what happened in Manchester last night.
A minority will be delighted.

RocketRaccoon · 23-05-2017 08:26AM

evil_seed wrote: »

when I saw the news this morning and it being reported as "a "terror" attack" I thought to myself, oh here we go. Terror is now the code word for Islam. Terrorist attacks are terrorist attacks regardless of the religiouls background of the perpetrator. The incident in Times square last week is also a terrorist attack in my view. Just because he is American, and local to NY does not detract from the definition. Why do the media have to use code words now? And what's worse is it subliminally changes your own view, so when I saw "Terror" I immediately thought Islam, then had to say "F*** you self".
/rant

Let's be honest, at least 90% of these attacks are Islam related so don't be too hard on yourself.

Parchment · 23-05-2017 08:27AM

RobertKK wrote: »

I was watching Gogglebox last Friday, on it they showed the program about the real life story of the girls who were groomed to have sex with Asian Muslim men in Rochdale.
The Siddiqui family who are Asian Muslim men on the show said it was hard to watch knowing people would associate them with these men due to where they came from. They were clearly sickened by what the men in Rochdale had done.

The vast vast majority of Muslims will be absolutely sickened by what happened in Manchester last night.
A minority will be delighted.

Im sure many muslims are but where is the outcry from Muslim communities condemning this? I dont see it and i havent seen it since this rash of attacks started.

bmwguy · 23-05-2017 08:28AM

Good to see the Muslim leaders condemning it. Any chance they could come out and be honest? Until they do it won't stop.

How about an open message to the extremists:

Dont go blowing yourself up lads
You won't go to heaven
You will be just dead. Forever. Along with the little children you just killed.
You won't have loads of virgins to ride
There is no Allah
We made it all up
Jokes on you
Sorry about that
Leave the Christians alone there religion is made up too

Shows the absurdity of what they believe.

RobertKK · 23-05-2017 08:28AM

evil_seed wrote: »

when I saw the news this morning and it being reported as "a "terror" attack" I thought to myself, oh here we go. Terror is now the code word for Islam. Terrorist attacks are terrorist attacks regardless of the religiouls background of the perpetrator. The incident in Times square last week is also a terrorist attack in my view. Just because he is American, and local to NY does not detract from the definition. Why do the media have to use code words now? And what's worse is it subliminally changes your own view, so when I saw "Terror" I immediately thought Islam, then had to say "F*** you self".
/rant

Was Times Square linked to a very misguided political aim?

23-05-2017 08:29AM

RocketRaccoon wrote: »

I didn't say that. I am asking is it OK for these terrorists to even be given the slightest opportunity to get into Europe so they can eliminate our children?

I don't believe anyone is saying let terrorists in?

cournioni · 23-05-2017 08:29AM

smelly sock wrote: »

You'd have to worry that an attack like this in ireland is extremely likely.

We are on an ISIS list of potential targets so it's a possibility.

RocketRaccoon · 23-05-2017 08:30AM

bubblypop wrote: »

I don't believe anyone is saying let terrorists in?

It would take a really simple minded individual to think that terrorists haven't infiltrated the innocent refugee groups.

Really Interested · 23-05-2017 08:30AM

Parchment wrote: »

Im sure many muslims are but where is the outcry from Muslim communities condemning this? I dont see it and i havent seen it since this rash of attacks started.

https://thinkprogress.org/heres-your-list-of-muslim-leaders-around-the-world-that-condemned-the-massacre-in-orlando-102457ade0aa

http://en.radiovaticana.va/news/2017/04/10/muslim_leaders_condemn_attacks_on_egypts_coptic_churches/1304748

https://www.google.ie/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/mar/23/uk-muslim-leaders-condemn-cowardly-london-attack

https://www.wsj.com/articles/muslim-leaders-condemn-attack-warn-on-anti-islamic-sentiment-in-europe-1420654885

https://www.thoughtco.com/muslim-condemnations-of-911-2003741

Just a very small example of Muslim condemnation

Balmed Out · 23-05-2017 08:30AM

Yourself isit wrote: »

It did happen. Every killing of even one person attributed to republicans was condemned by the taoiseach, opposition leader, head of Catholic church etc.

Big difference between Ireland and the entire muslim world. Would you expect Ireland, Finland, USA, Portugal etc to have all aspects of society coming out to condemn something done by a Bulgarian or when a western drone misses its target and kills innocents?
Islam doesn't have a pope figure but there are always plenty of condemnations from muslim leaders when something like this happens.

All besides the point anyhow, heart goes out to Manchester, England and the UK. So awful to think of such innocents killed. RIP.

Sarz91 · 23-05-2017 08:30AM

RocketRaccoon wrote: »

And I really hope the people defending this nonsense aren't caught up in it and all of their family are safe in the aftermath.

Who is defending "this nonsense" as you put it? Nobody in their right mind approves of this type of act. The point some of us are trying to make is that you cannot simply just deport people based on their religion or views.

The idea that you would turn child refugees away and deport them back to a war torn country because "how would this child benefit us" or "he/she is Muslim, they're bound to blow something up" is beyond me. How do you go about dehumanising someone to that scale so that they're so inferior to you, you just don't care what happens to them?

Samaris · 23-05-2017 08:31AM

evil_seed wrote: »

when I saw the news this morning and it being reported as "a "terror" attack" I thought to myself, oh here we go. Terror is now the code word for Islam. Terrorist attacks are terrorist attacks regardless of the religiouls background of the perpetrator. The incident in Times square last week is also a terrorist attack in my view. Just because he is American, and local to NY does not detract from the definition. Why do the media have to use code words now? And what's worse is it subliminally changes your own view, so when I saw "Terror" I immediately thought Islam, then had to say "F*** you self".
/rant

Yeah, it sucks that way. I do it myself, and I think many people do. The main difference is when people allow their fear to change how they treat other ordinary people getting on with their lives because they are Muslim, a refugee, or look different. That is the coward's trap, imo.

It's awful what happened there last night. I have friends there who are fans and I don't know if they were at the concert or were involved. But even if they're all fine (and I hope they are!), there's many people today that will be thinking the same thoughts and won't have the relief of everyone being okay.

23-05-2017 08:31AM

RocketRaccoon wrote: »

Sorry, I should have clarified. The nonsense I was talking about is allowing refugees in without any sort of vetting. Of course nobody is defending the attack.

Well thankfully no one is letting in refugees without vetting them first.

0ph0rce0 · 23-05-2017 08:31AM

Sarz91 wrote: »

Who is defending "this nonsense" as you put it? Nobody in their right mind approves of this type of act. The point some of us are trying to make is that you cannot simply just deport people based on their religion or views.

You should when they blow up your children.

Parchment · 23-05-2017 08:33AM

Really Interested wrote: »

https://thinkprogress.org/heres-your-list-of-muslim-leaders-around-the-world-that-condemned-the-massacre-in-orlando-102457ade0aa

http://en.radiovaticana.va/news/2017/04/10/muslim_leaders_condemn_attacks_on_egypts_coptic_churches/1304748

https://www.google.ie/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/mar/23/uk-muslim-leaders-condemn-cowardly-london-attack

https://www.wsj.com/articles/muslim-leaders-condemn-attack-warn-on-anti-islamic-sentiment-in-europe-1420654885

https://www.thoughtco.com/muslim-condemnations-of-911-2003741

Just a very small example of Muslim condemnation

wow all such widely read sources.

Terrorist Attack in Manchester (Read MOD WARNING in OP Updated 24/05/2017))

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