Terrorist Attack in Manchester (Read MOD WARNING in OP Updated 24/05/2017))

ads20101 · 23-05-2017 07:59AM

Targeting a large group of teenage girls.

Pretty much an accurate definition of a whopping coward.

Yourself isit · 23-05-2017 07:59AM

Sarz91 wrote: »

What point? That we should just expel all Muslims? This issue didn't stem from people ignoring what was happening in Europe it came about because we ignored what was happening in Syria. If you want to discuss politics we can do so elsewhere, otherwise please refrain from spouting your usual political nonsense.

Ignoring Syria? The US isn't ignoring syria, it's on the side of the jihadis.

The best thing the west could have done was ignore syria. And iraq.

listermint · 23-05-2017 08:00AM

Je_suis_Jean wrote: »

Hi Tracey,

Having lived as an Irishman in London during the late 80's and early 90's when the IRA were active I can understand the difficult situation your husband finds himself in and I sympathise. I hope he isn't the target of knee jerk reaction in any way.

One thing I will say (which you may not want to hear) is that I find the relative silence of mainstream Islam to be a major problem and a contributing factor to why many people blame "all of Islam" for these events. (I don't BTW)

Why aren't Islamic leaders in every town and city in the world holding press conferences and issuing statements which unreservedly condemn this and all previous terror incidents carried out in the name of Islam? If you're not condemning something which is being done in the name of your religion you are by inference, at least in the minds of a lot of people, quietly condoning it.

During the IRA campaigns Irish Govt, Religious, Civic and Business leaders would ALWAYS come out immediately to both condemn the latest atrocity and to consistently state that the perpetrators DID NOT represent Irish people. They did this as publicly as possible each and every time there was an atrocity and it was one of the main reasons people I lived and worked with in London were able to differentiate between ordinary Irish people going about their daily business and the IRA terrorists and whilst some people tarred us all with the same brush the vast majority didn't.

I just don't get why the leaders of Islam in every town and city in the UK aren't standing outside their Mosques right now unreservedly condemning what happened last night in Manchester and shouting from the rooftop that the perpetrator, if he does indeed turn out to have acted in the name of Islam, is in fact an extremist nut job who DOES NOT represent Islam.

Wouldn't it help your husband and all the peace loving followers of Islam if they did?

This didn't happen you didn't have every leaders coming out condemning attacks. I'm sorry but that's nonsense.

There was the same level of condemnation from Irish quarters as there is from Muslim communities which is just enough.

SnakePlissken · 23-05-2017 08:00AM

punk_one82 wrote: »

Hank Scorpio wrote: »

You let in a tonne of refugees from those terror regions certain segments will be extremist. There's no way to properly vet them, and even if there was, you have no idea what they'll do in the future or how they'll view Western values. They'll arrive, fail to integrate into society and then gather in their local newly built Mosques, which in turn will end up recruiting people and inevitably lead to radicalised Islamist's. This has happened all over Europe, even Merkel has called multiculturalism a myth and total failure in Germany.

And what happens to those refugees if you stand idly by? Sorry but the urgent plight of the majority of them is more important than you living in fear of a tiny subset.

Considering a vast vast majority of said refugees are able bodied men in their twenties, perhaps they could turn and fight for their country... that is of course giving these men the benefit of the doubt that they are not economic migrants.

macomo · 23-05-2017 08:00AM

suspect is a radical german buddhist

whod a thunk it

pjohnson · 23-05-2017 08:02AM

wonderfullife wrote: »

Islam isn't a country.

My dad used to have a ritual every morning, walk to the local corner shop in Oxford to buy the local and national papers.

When he was dying towards the end, the shop owner - A devout Muslim - asked me where dad was and I said he wasn't too well.

He took it upon himself to walk to the front door every single morning with both papers for dad and wouldn't accept any money for them either.

Tiny little touch but meant a lot to me and my dad.

That shop owner was in his 60's and born-and-bred in Oxfordshire. Where exactly do you want him deported to?

Nice story and sorry about your dad but that doesnt change that muslims have an explosive fetish. But in his 60's so he was probably old emough to be sensible. I havent heard of on older exploding muslim. How about just those under 40?

23-05-2017 08:03AM

RocketRaccoon wrote: »

English/American/Chinese or French,it doesn't matter where the attacker was from. The simple matter is they have been brain washed by someone into thinking it is OK to murder innocent ****ing children. The people behind the brain washing have had contact with these religious groups.

I am actually in shock that people are still trying to defend the influx of refugees into our country and other European states.

You just said it doesn't matter where the attacker was from, then in the very next paragraph blamed refugees.

elefant · 23-05-2017 08:04AM

RocketRaccoon wrote: »

Oh come on.
It doesn't matter where he/she was from, we all know his/her religious beliefs and we have seen the group who have claimed responsibility.

He's not making a point about religious beliefs there.

He's making a point that we should stop accepting refugees because of these attacks, when the vast majority of perpetrators of terrorism in Europe in recent years have been European nationals.

Saying 'we know where they come from' is complete nonsense.

RocketRaccoon · 23-05-2017 08:04AM

macomo wrote: »

suspect is a radical german buddhist

whod a thunk it

I don't mean to sound like a dick but your attempts at humour should really be taken elsewhere.

RocketRaccoon · 23-05-2017 08:05AM

bubblypop wrote: »

You just said it doesn't matter where the attacker was from, then in the very next paragraph blamed refugees.

Do you think this attacker didn't have contact with refugees who may have been the ones to "turn" him?

RocketRaccoon · 23-05-2017 08:06AM

elefant wrote: »

He's not making a point about religious beliefs there.

He's making a point that we should stop accepting refugees because of these attacks, when the vast majority of perpetrators of terrorism in Europe in recent years have been European nationals.

Saying 'we know where they come from' is complete nonsense.

European nationals who have been completely warped by some involved in the influx of "refugees".

macomo · 23-05-2017 08:06AM

@ rocketracoon,

not humour,

bumping th ethread

23-05-2017 08:08AM

RocketRaccoon wrote: »

Do you think this attacker didn't have contact with refugees who may have been the ones to "turn" him?

Seriously?
I have no idea who he has had contact with. Neither do you.
You're post is grasping at straws.......and you're just trying to find an excuse to stop helping refugees.

cournioni · 23-05-2017 08:09AM

wonderfullife wrote: »

Your knowledge is sketchy at best.

The mess in Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya and Syria is mostly down to Western Intervention and proxy wars.

The "guys carrying out these attacks" kill 100 times as many Muslims as they do non-Muslims.

To paint this as Islam v Christianity/The West is nonsense. They're fruitcakes who will kill anybody, mostly 'their own', to pursue power.

Likewise.

On the contrary. The mess in those countries resonated long before any western intervention, the problems just never reached our shores.

I'm well aware that "the guys carrying out these attacks" kill many Muslims who do not strictly follow their strain of Islam.

For what it's worth, I think most religions have ****ty ideologies, Islam is the most dangerous though.

RocketRaccoon · 23-05-2017 08:11AM

bubblypop wrote: »

Seriously?
I have no idea who he has had contact with. Neither do you.
You're post is grasping at straws.......and you're just trying to find an excuse to stop helping refugees.

I will say it straight out, we need to stop accepting them into Europe. It is of no benefit to ANY country right now and do you not think it is a but coincidental that all of these attacks have ramped up since the influx started?

Guy:Incognito · 23-05-2017 08:11AM

pjohnson wrote: »

Nice story and sorry about your dad but that doesnt change that muslims have an explosive fetish. But in his 60's so he was probably old emough to be sensible. I havent heard of on older exploding muslim. How about just those under 40?

When the same shopkeeper was 20, where would you have sent him?

pjohnson · 23-05-2017 08:12AM

cournioni wrote: »

I'm well aware that "the guys carrying out these attacks" kill many Muslims who do not strictly follow their strain of Islam.

which is why we should leave these "refugees" in there own land. We have too many as it is. Let them eliminate themselves.

54and56 · 23-05-2017 08:12AM

listermint wrote: »

This didn't happen you didn't have every leaders coming out condemning attacks. I'm sorry but that's nonsense.

There was the same level of condemnation from Irish quarters as there is from Muslim communities which is just enough.

Absolutely not true. Check any atrocity during the IRA campaign and then look up the next days newspaper to see immediate condemnations from the leading politicians of the day (both govt and opposition), religious leaders and others.

The lack of similar condemnations from the leaders of Islam is deafening.

Erik Shin · 23-05-2017 08:12AM

Regardless of your views on Islam, I do have a horrid feeling that it's just a matter of time before we see an attack in Ireland.
We have Facebook, Google etc in Dublin, American planes refuelling at Shannon....Any one of these could be used as an excuse for an attack....As someone who was in Paris on Nov 13th, it is a very, very scary thought

RocketRaccoon · 23-05-2017 08:13AM

Erik Shin wrote: »

Regardless of your views on Islam, I do have a horrid feeling that it's just a matter of time before we see an attack in Ireland.
We have Facebook, Google etc in Dublin, American planes refuelling at Shannon....Any one of these could be used as an excuse for an attack....As someone who was in Paris on Nov 13th, it is a very, very scary thought

And I really hope the people defending this nonsense aren't caught up in it and all of their family are safe in the aftermath.

pjohnson · 23-05-2017 08:13AM

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

When the same shopkeeper was 20, where would you have sent him?

40 years ago it doesnt appear muslims enjoyed suicide as much. Nice strawman attempt.

punk_one82 · 23-05-2017 08:15AM

pjohnson wrote: »

which is why we should leave these "refugees" in there own land. We have too many as it is. Let them eliminate themselves.

You mean let the ones with guns and twisted minds eliminate the ones who are terrified and want nothing to do with it? Have some ****ing compassion for people other than the ones who look like you.

Guy:Incognito · 23-05-2017 08:15AM

pjohnson wrote: »

40 years ago it doesnt appear muslims enjoyed suicide as much. Nice strawman attempt.

That's some good avoidance right there.you know full well what the question is.

Where do you propose deporting 20 year old Muslims too that are born and bred British?

Discodog · 23-05-2017 08:16AM

Would there of been the same reaction here to the IRA bombing of Manchester ? Stop all Irish immigration, ban Catholicism etc ?

Security at the arena made a huge mistake.

RocketRaccoon · 23-05-2017 08:16AM

punk_one82 wrote: »

You mean let the ones with guns and twisted minds eliminate the ones who are terrified and want nothing to do with it? Have some ****ing compassion for people other than the ones who look like you.

But it's OK for them to come over here and eliminate innocent little girls and children?

macomo · 23-05-2017 08:17AM

every day it gets a little closer

punk_one82 · 23-05-2017 08:18AM

RocketRaccoon wrote: »

But it's OK for them to come over here and eliminate innocent little girls and children?

Yes, back to the "every refugee is a terrorist" sentiment. Well done.

RocketRaccoon · 23-05-2017 08:18AM

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

That's some good avoidance right there.you know full well what the question is.

Where do you propose deporting 20 year old Muslims too that are born and bred British?

Have these imaginary 20yr olds had contact with any extremists or been put on any sort of watch list?

Yourself isit · 23-05-2017 08:18AM

listermint wrote: »

This didn't happen you didn't have every leaders coming out condemning attacks. I'm sorry but that's nonsense.

There was the same level of condemnation from Irish quarters as there is from Muslim communities which is just enough.

It did happen. Every killing of even one person attributed to republicans was condemned by the taoiseach, opposition leader, head of Catholic church etc.

pjohnson · 23-05-2017 08:19AM

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

That's some good avoidance right there.you know full well what the question is.

Where do you propose deporting 20 year old Muslims too that are born and bred British?

Syria where they can be with their like minded friends?

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