Terrorist Attack in Manchester (Read MOD WARNING in OP Updated 24/05/2017))

iamstop · 23-05-2017 04:34AM

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

https://twitter.com/ArianaGrande/status/866849021519966208

According to her feed she was in Dublin yesterday!

basillarkin · 23-05-2017 04:34AM

dodderangler wrote: »

There is religion and there is terrorist groups. I see Islam as more of a cult than a religion.

All religions are cults

Outlaw Pete · 23-05-2017 04:36AM

iamstop wrote: »

According to her feed she was in Dublin yesterday!

Yeah, was in Dublin as she played the 3Arena Sat night.

http://3arena.ie/artist/ariana-grande/1607

whiskeyman · 23-05-2017 04:38AM

So wanted to believe it was a terrible accident like a speaker, but the timing was haunting me... just as all the crowd would be coming thru that point.
They really wanted to maximize loss of young life here.

Outlaw Pete · 23-05-2017 04:44AM

Lady Spangles wrote: »

The guys who killed Lee Rigby were British.

That was fours years ago to the day........ as that was also carried out on the 22nd of May.

El Horseboxo · 23-05-2017 04:47AM

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

Appears that they may have tried to enter with the hope of setting of the explosions inside but perhaps were refused and so waited at the doors for the concert to finish instead.

This will change security at these concerts forever now as I doubt anyone will be let near the exists from this day forward. I have noticed this myself at gigs in the 3 Arena, that 5 mins or so from the end anyone can walk into the gigs as they just throw open the exists once a significant number of people start leaving.

Thank Christ they didn't get in if that is indeed the case anyway as there surely would have been many more casualties had they done so.

No matter where you set a security cordon you can't prevent something like this. And outside would be just as bad as inside if they were to do it among thousands of people. Even way outside a stadium/arena you can still have hundreds or thousands of people clustered together making their way back to cars and public transport areas. Unfortunately you just prevent large gatherings of people.

23-05-2017 05:12AM

Hi guys. I just got home. I've spent the last five hours in Manchester royal infirmary. Called in due to it been a major incident. Was racing around the hospital. Paeds a+e was a bloodbath. Adult a+e was bad too. I expect the number of deaths to rise I've never seen anything like it. My thoughts to the victims and their families. Much love to all the NHS workers who came in voluntarily to help out.

Murrisk · 23-05-2017 05:15AM

Poor Ariana shouldn't be apologising.

Richard Hillman · 23-05-2017 05:16AM

Manchester is well used to large scale events. There was a Man Utd match at Old Trafford the day before, There was a Brian Cox event in the arena that day too.

It's not better or worse to target these other events but these animals purposely targeted this event purely because they knew it would be full of children.

Pompey Magnus · 23-05-2017 05:24AM

RayM wrote: »

Intolerance usually breeds more intolerance.

That sounds like it should be the case but unfortunately the world doesn't seem to be working like that. It is the most tolerant countries which are on the receiving end of these attacks. There hasn't been too many terror attacks in Poland, Hungary or Japan.

punk_one82 · 23-05-2017 05:35AM

Pompey Magnus wrote: »

That sounds like it should be the case but unfortunately the world doesn't seem to be working like that. It is the most tolerant countries which are on the receiving end of these attacks. There hasn't been too many terror attacks in Poland, Hungary or Japan.

Given the fact that there are over 3.5 million muslims in France and their role in the middle east compared to ~25000 in Hungary and Poland then it's hardly a surprise.

Richard Hillman · 23-05-2017 05:37AM

punk_one82 wrote: »

Given the fact that there are over 3.5 million muslims in France and their role in the middle east compared to ~25000 in Hungary and Poland then it's hardly a surprise.

Radical Muslims don't go to places like Poland and Hungary, you know why? Because they won't tolerate them.

Penny Tration · 23-05-2017 05:40AM

The poor victims, Jesus Christ. May they rest in peace.

I hope everyone here and their loved ones are okay.

This one is so close to home

punk_one82 · 23-05-2017 05:44AM

Richard Hillman wrote: »

Radical Muslims don't go to places like Poland and Hungary, you know why? Because they won't tolerate them.

Yeah, but France isn't being targeted because they're tolerant of muslims.

Donald Trump · 23-05-2017 05:50AM

Richard Hillman wrote: »

punk_one82 wrote: »

Given the fact that there are over 3.5 million muslims in France and their role in the middle east compared to ~25000 in Hungary and Poland then it's hardly a surprise.

Radical Muslims don't go to places like Poland and Hungary, you know why? Because they won't tolerate them.

But not all are radical.

Skanger tries to rob from, and then stab caretaker in a Mosque in Dundrum. Caretaker kicks him and then cooks him scrambled eggs. Bumps into him in town the next day and gets his phones back and an apology

Noo · 23-05-2017 05:50AM

Murrisk wrote: »

Poor Ariana shouldn't be apologising.

She's only a kid herself, im sure shes gonna be left traumatised.

Dirty Dingus McGee · 23-05-2017 05:51AM

punk_one82 wrote: »

Yeah, but France isn't being targeted because they're tolerant of muslims.

But they are in the UK.

So Option A is Be nice and tolerant and you get attacked.

Or Option B is be supposedly intolerant and you get attacked.

The Muslim religion needs to start policing itself now and not be blaming anyone else for being intolerant to it because despite the fact that being intolerant may not be helping being tolerant towards isn't doing much good either.I know these nut jobs want western society to rail against the religion so they can create an us against them scenario and use it to further their sick goals but can you really blame people for not being accepting of the religion when you repeatedly see what members of the religion do in the name of it.

wonderfullife · 23-05-2017 05:53AM

Richard Hillman wrote: »

Radical Muslims don't go to places like Poland and Hungary, you know why? Because they won't tolerate them.

Greece and Bulgaria have 30 times as many Muslims as Poland and Hungary combined and haven't suffered (m)any major terrorist incident.

You're over-simplifying very complex issues.

People often become radicalized from home sitting in front of their laptops staring at atrocities in Syria and being whatsapp'd propaganda.

It's not simply a question of movement of people to areas they are "tolerated", it's the movement of hateful, murderous ideas that's the problem and the solution to that is not forthcoming.

The likes of Whatsapp gave terrorists a big leg-up on Intel communities.

punk_one82 · 23-05-2017 05:54AM

Dirty Dingus McGee wrote: »

But they are in the UK.

Well not exactly, given the role the UK has in the middle east as well... They're no saints either.

Richard Hillman · 23-05-2017 05:55AM

punk_one82 wrote: »

Yeah, but France isn't being targeted because they're tolerant of muslims.

Yes they are, because they know that they will tolerate it.

They'll get a hashtag going, they'll light a few candles, they'll dim the Eiffel tower, they'll arrest a few people and they'll sit around to wait for it to happen all over again. Tolerance.

wonderfullife · 23-05-2017 05:56AM

Richard Hillman wrote: »

Yes they are, because they know that they will tolerate it.

They'll get a hashtag going, they'll light a few candles, they'll dim the Eiffel tower, they'll arrest a few people and they'll sit around to wait for it to happen all over again. Tolerance.

France bombed the absolute bejesus out of Syria after the Nice attacks.

You call that sitting around?

What do you want them to do?

deise76 · 23-05-2017 05:57AM

These lunatics must be the worst breed of brainwashed scumbags ever to walk!

Free-2-Flow · 23-05-2017 05:58AM

She has reportedly cancelled the remainder of her world tour Indefinitely saying she's too upset to go on performing.

Due to perform in London later this week.

Richard Hillman · 23-05-2017 05:59AM

wonderfullife wrote: »

Greece and Bulgaria have 30 times as many Muslims as Poland and Hungary combined and haven't suffered (m)any major terrorist incident.

You're over-simplifying very complex issues.

People often become radicalized from home sitting in front of their laptops staring at atrocities in Syria and being whatsapp'd propaganda.

It's not simply a question of movement of people to areas they are "tolerated", it's the movement of hateful, murderous ideas that's the problem and the solution to that is not forthcoming.

The likes of Whatsapp gave terrorists a big leg-up on Intel communities.

There are 30 times more Muslims in Greece and Bulgaria because they are stuck in migrant camps. And they are readying themselves to go to countries that won't put them in migrant camps. Countries that will tolerate them.

punk_one82 · 23-05-2017 06:02AM

Richard Hillman wrote: »

Yes they are, because they know that they will tolerate it.

They'll get a hashtag going, they'll light a few candles, they'll dim the Eiffel tower, they'll arrest a few people and they'll sit around to wait for it to happen all over again. Tolerance.

I think you should read a little bit more about it before forming such a ridiculous opinion. France drop bombs in the middle east. They don't sit around loving everyone and get targeted by terrorists as a result of it.

King George VI · 23-05-2017 06:05AM

wonderfullife wrote: »

France bombed the absolute bejesus out of Syria after the Nice attacks.

You call that sitting around?

I call that being lé badass

Richard Hillman · 23-05-2017 06:07AM

wonderfullife wrote: »

France bombed the absolute bejesus out of Syria after the Nice attacks.

You call that sitting around?

What do you want them to do?

Bombing the bejaysis out of ISIS in Syria is the minimum requirement. In fact, you have to wonder why it took Nice for them to do it. Why were they not bombing the bejaysis out of them the day before Nice?

Why are all these terrorists always know to police?

Why are there always a spate of arrests and raids AFTER these attacks?

I guarantee today you will hear 3 phrase's

"Known to Police"
"Lone Wolf"
"Further arrests"

Every single time.

Hank Scorpio · 23-05-2017 06:10AM

I don't think Countries bombing the middle east will make much of a difference when the real war is on their own soil.

punk_one82 · 23-05-2017 06:11AM

Richard Hillman wrote: »

Bombing the bejaysis out of ISIS in Syria is the minimum requirement. In fact, you have to wonder why it took Nice for them to do it. Why were they not bombing the bejaysis out of them the day before Nice?

Why are all these terrorists always know to police?

Why are there always a spate of arrests and raids AFTER these attacks?

I guarantee today you will hear 3 phrase's

"Known to Police"
"Lone Wolf"
"Further arrests"

Every single time.

Do you realise a lot more terror plots are foiled than aren't? No police force can keep an eye on every possible terrorist at all times. They can't just go around locking people up who they think are suspicious. So yes, occasionally one of them slips through the net and successfully carries out an attack. The police then do everything they can to find the people responsible. It's not that difficult to understand.

Hank Scorpio · 23-05-2017 06:12AM

punk_one82 wrote: »

Do you realise a lot more terror plots are foiled than aren't? No police force can keep an eye on every possible terrorist at all times. They can't just go around locking people up who they think are suspicious. So yes, occasionally one of them slips through the net and successfully carries out an attack. The police then do everything they can to find the people responsible. It's not that difficult to understand.

I think you've summed up the problem in Europe perfectly. A constant state of heightened terror levels because of tolerating an ideology which breeds extremism.

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