Gender Issues

Outlaw Pete · 17-05-2017 01:05PM

I actually believe in gender dysphoria but there's not a snow's chance in hell that the amount of people we are currently seeing in the media (who are mostly transitioning from male to female) have the disorder. Of the genuine cases that I have seen in documentaries, these people oozed the gender they believed they truly were long before hormonal or surgical interventions.

One of the best examples that some people are just doing it for reasons which have nothing whatsoever to do with having a disorder of any kind, was when Ben Shapiro was sitting beside a woman in a debate on this issue that claimed she had been born in the wrong body, and after Ben gave his reasoning for why he didn't believe in transgenderism (citing genetics and other factors) she (in response to Ben saying to her "What are your genetics, Sir?") slowly turned to him and in a deep slow voice, and while menacing putting a hand around Ben's shoulder, said: "You cut that out now or you'll go home in an ambulance."

Yeah, nice to meet you Miss.

pjohnson · 17-05-2017 01:09PM

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

One of the best examples that some people are just doing it for reasons which have nothing whatsoever to do with having a disorder, was when Ben Shapiro was sitting beside a woman who claimed that she had been born in the wrong body and after Ben gave his reasoning for why he didn't believe in transgenderism... she slowly turned to him and in a deep slow voice said: "You cut that out now, or you'll go home in an ambulance." Yeah, nice to met you Miss.

I think these are the "fluid" "non binary" lot. They pick the gender as it suits every 30 mins.

me_irl · 17-05-2017 01:09PM

pjohnson wrote: »

I think these are the "fluid" "non binary" lot. They pick the gender as it suits every 30 mins.

Clue's in the name.

The_Kew_Tour · 17-05-2017 01:16PM

Shenshen wrote: »

Sure, but I can't do much about plastic pollution in the Pacific or the nuclear threats from North Korea and the US.
But I can easily not be dick to someone who identifies as a gender that's not their sex. Doesn't cost me a thing.

Nobody says to be a dick, but honestly in past 5 years I reckon I have seen no more then 5 people who cross dress be it in Gay Bar in Cork/Dublin or on the street.

They have as much rights as anyone, but the coverage it gets for such a select few is absurd.

Lux23 · 17-05-2017 01:18PM

Dr Crayfish wrote: »

I don't live in a world where I meet transgender people and I don't know anyone who does. It's amazing how much air time this stuff gets, as if we all work and hang out with the Caitlyn Jenners of this world. I'll be honest, I just think of them as really weird men, not that I give it much thought. Really weird men are all over the place, into really weird sh*t, these ones just want to reconstruct their bodies to look like women for some reason.

Well you live on Planet Earth, you could well know a transgender person and not even know. And there are transgender men too.

Pac1Man · 17-05-2017 01:20PM

The other week I cut open a red pepper and there was a green pepper growing inside it.

Lux23 · 17-05-2017 01:23PM

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

Nobody says to be a dick, but honestly in past 5 years I reckon I have seen no more then 5 people who cross dress be it in Gay Bar in Cork/Dublin or on the street.

They have as much rights as anyone, but the coverage it gets for such a select few is absurd.

Cross-dressing isn't what a transgender person is. Most likely you encounter transgender people and don't even realise it.

Shenshen · 17-05-2017 01:23PM

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

Nobody says to be a dick, but honestly in past 5 years I reckon I have seen no more then 5 people who cross dress be it in Gay Bar in Cork/Dublin or on the street.

They have as much rights as anyone, but the coverage it gets for such a select few is absurd.

I suspect they get this much coverage because for some inexplicable reason it winds some people up so much.

Dr Crayfish · 17-05-2017 01:24PM

Lux23 wrote: »

Well you live on Planet Earth, you could well know a transgender person and not even know. And there are transgender men too.

There's far less women that want to be men than the other way around. Same way there's far more married men that dress up as women and suck d*ck at the weekends etc. Men seem to have a greater capacity to be oddballs. Generally speaking women don't seem to be into quite as weird sh*t as men.

pjohnson · 17-05-2017 01:24PM

Pac1Man wrote: »

The other week I cut open a red pepper and there was a green pepper growing inside it.

Transpepperism

riemann · 17-05-2017 01:29PM

Shenshen wrote: »

I suspect they get this much coverage because for some inexplicable reason it winds some people up so much.

Exactly. This is the kind of thing that most people don't care about. Naturally there will always be do gooders and do badders who if truth be told are probably just engaged in a battle to see who can outrage the other the most.

AtomicHorror · 17-05-2017 01:29PM

Dr Crayfish wrote: »

There's far less women that want to be men than the other way around. Same way there's far more married men that dress up as women and suck d*ck at the weekends etc. Men seem to have a greater capacity to be oddballs. Generally speaking women don't seem to be into quite as weird sh*t as men.

Oh come on Dr Cray, don't be coy about your feelings on homosexuals and trans people.

Keyzer · 17-05-2017 01:29PM

Absolute and utter lunacy if you ask me and seems to have exploded out of nowhere in recent years. Apparently there are over 60 different genders, where the hell did this line of thinking come from?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L8LIHZDfmFM

Gender studies being part of curriculum in the US colleges has no doubt added fuel to the fire.

What's worse is parents encouraging young children with this folly, I was on holidays last year and a German couple had their son wandering around in a dress because "he wanted to wear it".

AtomicHorror · 17-05-2017 01:31PM

Shenshen wrote: »

I suspect they get this much coverage because for some inexplicable reason it winds some people up so much.

We disagree on one point here- it's not inexplicable, but rather the wound-up don't like the explanation.

AtomicHorror · 17-05-2017 01:33PM

Keyzer wrote: »

Absolute and utter lunacy if you ask me and seems to have exploded out of nowhere in recent years. Apparently there are over 60 different genders, where the hell did this line of thinking come from?

Psychology, biology. Science, essentially.

Keyzer wrote: »

Gender studies being part of curriculum in the US colleges has no doubt added fuel to the fire.

Of course it has. It's a good fire.

Keyzer wrote: »

What's worse is parents encouraging young children with this folly, I was on holidays last year and a German couple had their son wandering around in a dress because "he wanted to wear it".

Yes, better to instill shame and guilt in your children.

The_Kew_Tour · 17-05-2017 01:36PM

Shenshen wrote: »

I suspect they get this much coverage because for some inexplicable reason it winds some people up so much.

Never met these and if it does they need worry about far bigger things.

SEPT 23 1989 · 17-05-2017 01:37PM

I believe MTV has dropped male and female categories from the MTV Movie Awards in favour of gender neutral prizes

Shenshen · 17-05-2017 01:37PM

Keyzer wrote: »

What's worse is parents encouraging young children with this folly, I was on holidays last year and a German couple had their son wandering around in a dress because "he wanted to wear it".

When will this madness end? Surely, next they'll have girls wearing trousers, and then where will we be?

osarusan · 17-05-2017 01:37PM

Shenshen wrote: »

I suspect they get this much coverage because for some inexplicable reason it winds some people up so much.

People piss and moan about how it's everywhere and can't be avoided, but in AH at least, the vast majority of the coverage comes from posters complaining about it.

me_irl · 17-05-2017 01:39PM

Shenshen wrote: »

When will this madness end? Surely, next they'll have girls wearing trousers, and then where will we be?

I'm burning my male bra as I type!

pjohnson · 17-05-2017 01:39PM

AtomicHorror wrote: »

Yes, better to instill shame and guilt in your children.

it cant be coincidence that as genders/sexualities have quadrupled more younger people are commiting suicide. If they werent "confused" before then they are fcuked now. This isnt good for teens mental health. Also a growing epidemic.

NinjaTruncs · 17-05-2017 01:43PM

me_irl wrote: »

please say this has been posted in YLYL.

me_irl · 17-05-2017 01:46PM

NinjaTruncs wrote: »

please say this has been posted in YLYL.

Haven't a clue, but go ahead!

AtomicHorror · 17-05-2017 01:48PM

pjohnson wrote: »

it cant be coincidence that as genders/sexualities have quadrupled more younger people are commiting suicide. If they werent "confused" before then they are fcuked now. This isnt good for teens mental health. Also a growing epidemic.

I haven't seen any numbers on that, but assuming they're legit it absolutely can be coincidence, it might also not be a coincidence but be a massive causality/correlation fallacy on your part.

One thing that is very bad for people's mental health is the reaction of an ignorant, unsympathetic society. As more minorities (of any kind) come to express themselves openly, there'll be a resulting period of reaction during which their lives will suck. That doesn't mean the fault lies with them in any way.

AtomicHorror · 17-05-2017 01:50PM

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

I believe MTV has dropped male and female categories from the MTV Movie Awards in favour of gender neutral prizes

Surely that's not controversial. We're not talking about boxing here- acting doesn't need to be streamed by gender for competition reasons.

Outlaw Pete · 17-05-2017 01:50PM

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

I believe MTV has dropped male and female categories from the MTV Movie Awards in favour of gender neutral prizes

Yeah, and it was nothing more than a pathetic publicity stunt, not in the least bit genuine and it shows you how far this madness has got when there is social cachet in acting in this manner. The rubber stamp that it was done for effect was that they gave Best Actor award to Emma Watson, who coincidentally (I guess we're supposed to believe) has been the person who has been calling for this kind of horse bollox and who's performance was arguably the worst of the year. What little credibility the MTV Awards had, they effectively obliterated with this crap.

pjohnson · 17-05-2017 01:50PM

AtomicHorror wrote: »

I haven't seen any numbers on that, but assuming they're legit it absolutely can be coincidence, it might also not be a coincidence but be a massive causality/correlation fallacy on your part.

One thing that is very bad for people's mental health is the reaction of an ignorant, unsympathetic society. As more minorities (of any kind) come to express themselves openly, there'll be a resulting period of reaction during which their lives will suck. That doesn't mean the fault lies with them in any way.

But creating/humouring anything as minority clearly doesn't help.

pjohnson · 17-05-2017 01:52PM

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

Yeah, an it was a pure publicity stunt, nothing genuine about it all and it shows you how far this madness has got when there is social cachet in acting in this manner. The rubber stamp that it was done for effect was that they gave Best Actor award to Emma Watson, who coincidentally (I guess we're supposed to believe) has been the person who has been calling for this kind of horse bollox and who's performance was arguably the worst of the year. What little credibility the MTV Awards had, they effectively obliterated with this crap.

If they didnt pick a woman they'd be blamed for sexism.

AtomicHorror · 17-05-2017 01:52PM

pjohnson wrote: »

But creating/humouring anything as minority clearly doesn't help.

I don't know what you mean by this.

pjohnson · 17-05-2017 01:53PM

AtomicHorror wrote: »

I don't know what you mean by this.

Do you actually think there are 60 genders?

Including non-human "otherkin"

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