Gender Issues

Game Face MCGee · 17-05-2017 12:38PM #1

Is gender just a load of cobblers?
In the current environment there seems to be an acceptance that if your mind says you are x or y them that's what you can identify as and society has to accept it. Under no circumstances can you question this or put forward the argument that this maybe be a mental health issue. I suppose what I cant get my head around is the following 2 scenarios
A person wants to identify as "gender fluid" - society has to accept this and change to accommodate this person
A person has a uncontrollable desire to chop a limb off (Apotemnophilia) - society does not have to accommodate this as they have a mental disorder and should be treated

whats the difference?

pjohnson · 17-05-2017 12:39PM

This wont last long.

RobertKK · 17-05-2017 12:40PM

Gender fluid is a load of rubbish, unless hermaphrodite.

17-05-2017 12:41PM

I think it's time for Wenger to leave at this stage.

Gavinz · 17-05-2017 12:42PM

Game Face MCGee wrote: »

Is gender just a load of cobblers?
In the current environment there seems to be an acceptance that if your mind says you are x or y them that's what you can identify as and society has to accept it. Under no circumstances can you question this or put forward the argument that this maybe be a mental health issue. I suppose what I cant get my head around is the following 2 scenarios
A person wants to identify as "gender fluid" - society has to accept this and change to accommodate this person
A person has a uncontrollable desire to chop a limb off (Apotemnophilia) - society does not have to accommodate this as they have a mental disorder and should be treated

whats the difference?

It's a load of old bollocks.

me_irl · 17-05-2017 12:42PM

Pac1Man · 17-05-2017 12:42PM

RobertKK wrote: »

Gender fluid is a load of rubbish.

Ah Robert! You should have said it doesn't hold water! Go edit your post and I'll edit this one to remove the evidence.

RobertKK · 17-05-2017 12:44PM

Pac1Man wrote: »

Ah Robert! You should have said it doesn't hold water! Go edit your post and I'll edit this one to remove the evidence.

Missed a good one.

Well done.

pjohnson · 17-05-2017 12:44PM

Gavinz wrote: »

It's a load of old bollocks.

Did you just assume a persons genitalia?

Shenshen · 17-05-2017 12:44PM

I'm starting to question the mental health of people who get so worked up about what other people want to identify as... why the obsession?

me_irl · 17-05-2017 12:46PM

Shenshen wrote: »

I'm starting to question the mental health of people who get so worked up about what other people want to identify as... why the obsession?

Not to be confused with this "otherkin" BS too.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Otherkin

Yet another reason why our species is doomed.

But as long as it's not hurting anyone or getting in my way... have at it. Identify as all the things.

AtomicHorror · 17-05-2017 12:47PM

This seems like the perfect venue to tease out this complex subject in a rational way. I am confident we will all come to an agreement following a short, empathetic and well-researched discussion.

Gavinz · 17-05-2017 12:47PM

pjohnson wrote: »

Did you just assume a persons genitalia?

Did you just assume that I assumed a person's genitalia?

You sir, are a bigot...or some other such limp-wristed scutter.

me_irl · 17-05-2017 12:48PM

pjohnson wrote: »

Did you just assume a persons genitalia?

"Oi Bruce!"

Wow. Getting a good bit of use out of that one. :pac:

GerryDerpy · 17-05-2017 12:48PM

Game Face MCGee wrote: »

Is gender just a load of cobblers?
In the current environment there seems to be an?acceptance that if your mind says you are x or y them that's what you can identify as and society has to accept it.?Under no circumstances can you question this or put forward the argument that this maybe be a mental health issue.?I suppose what I cant get my head around is the following 2 scenarios
A person wants to identify as "gender fluid" - society has to accept this and change to accommodate this person
A person??has a uncontrollable desire to chop a limb off (Apotemnophilia)?- society does not have to accommodate this?as they have a mental disorder and should be treated

whats the difference?

There is not much difference if the Apotemnophile wants to chop his mickey off

RobertKK · 17-05-2017 12:48PM

Shenshen wrote: »

I'm starting to question the mental health of people who get so worked up about what other people want to identify as... why the obsession?

I want to identify as being a God, but people think I am up myself.
I don't know why people think I have a problem, will have to smite them...

me_irl · 17-05-2017 12:50PM

RobertKK wrote: »

I want to identify as being a God, but people think I am up myself.
I don't know why people think I have a problem, will have to smite them...

Omnipotent-kin.

Lux23 · 17-05-2017 12:51PM

I don't really understand why people get so upset about other people's gender identity, it has absolutely no impact on anyone else but the individual. I really think there is an element of latency in some bigotry expressed towards those that are non-binary or transgender.

Shenshen · 17-05-2017 12:53PM

me_irl wrote: »

Not to be confused with this "otherkin" BS too.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Otherkin

Yet another reason why our species is doomed.

But as long as it's not hurting anyone or getting in my way... have at it. Identify as all the things.

If that was enough to doom our species, one would have to wonder why birds are still around.

Gavinz · 17-05-2017 12:54PM

Lux23 wrote: »

I don't really understand why people get so upset about other people's gender identity, it has absolutely no impact on anyone else but the individual. I really think there is an element of latency in some bigotry expressed towards those that are non-binary or transgender.

It has an impact when some bloke in a dress tears into you for calling him, well..."him".

Fcuk that nonsense.

The_Kew_Tour · 17-05-2017 12:54PM

To me saying that they're no Gender or saying more then 2 just opens up a can of worms and can come with its own dangers.

Im all for equality and people can choose how they feel, but I think we are going ott for such a small select few. Far more important things to worry about.

Shenshen · 17-05-2017 12:54PM

RobertKK wrote: »

I want to identify as being a God, but people think I am up myself.
I don't know why people think I have a problem, will have to smite them...

I think that most of humanity identifies that way. It's just that some don't admit it.

Dr Crayfish · 17-05-2017 12:55PM

If I ever get in trouble with the law I'm going to assign myself the Female sex please.

http://www.independent.ie/world-news/north-america/oxford-student-who-stabbed-boyfriend-could-avoid-jail-because-of-her-extraordinary-talent-35723690.html

You can stab your partner in a drug fuelled rage and get away with it if you're a woman apparently.

AtomicHorror · 17-05-2017 12:55PM

Lux23 wrote: »

I don't really understand why people get so upset about other people's gender identity, it has absolutely no impact on anyone else but the individual. I really think there is an element of latency in some bigotry expressed towards those that are non-binary or transgender.

Akin to some during the Marriage Equality debate who kept talking about sexuality as a choice. If you see a choice, we've got some unpalatable news for you...

GerryDerpy · 17-05-2017 12:55PM

Lux23 wrote: »

I don't really understand why people get so upset about other people's gender identity, it has absolutely no impact on anyone else but the individual. I really think there is an element of latency in some bigotry expressed towards those that are non-binary or transgender.

Non-binary. Good lord.

Shenshen · 17-05-2017 12:58PM

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

To me saying that they're no Gender or saying more then 2 just opens up a can of worms and can come with its own dangers.

Im all for equality and people can choose how they feel, but I think we are going ott for such a small select few. Far more important things to worry about.

Sure, but I can't do much about plastic pollution in the Pacific or the nuclear threats from North Korea and the US.
But I can easily not be dick to someone who identifies as a gender that's not their sex. Doesn't cost me a thing.

Lux23 · 17-05-2017 01:00PM

Gavinz wrote: »

It has an impact when some bloke in a dress tears into you for calling him, well..."him".

Fcuk that nonsense.

Why wouldn't you refer to them as a her, why is it such a big deal to you? I just don't get it.

Dr Crayfish · 17-05-2017 01:01PM

I don't live in a world where I meet transgender people and I don't know anyone who does. It's amazing how much air time this stuff gets, as if we all work and hang out with the Caitlyn Jenners of this world. I'll be honest, I just think of them as really weird men, not that I give it much thought. Really weird men are all over the place, into really weird sh*t, these ones just want to reconstruct their bodies to look like women for some reason.

me_irl · 17-05-2017 01:02PM

GerryDerpy wrote: »

Non-binary. Good lord.

Careful now, you might offend the atheists!

See? Society is tripping over its own feet trying to please everyone.

"Live and let live" is a good maxim to have.

That and hoping you don't offend a thin-skin-kin.

pjohnson · 17-05-2017 01:02PM

Gavinz wrote: »

Did you just assume that I assumed a person's genitalia?

You sir, are a bigot...or some other such limp-wristed scutter.

Well played. I doff my hat to you good man/woman/non human creature.

AtomicHorror · 17-05-2017 01:03PM

me_irl wrote: »

Careful now, you might offend the atheists!

See? Society is tripping over its own feet trying to please everyone.

"Live and let live" is a good maxim to have.

That and hoping you don't offend a thin-skin-kin.

Atheists don't care if you use religiously-derived language. Days of the week would be tricky otherwise.

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