Gender Issues

Game Face MCGee

Is gender just a load of cobblers?
In the current environment there seems to be an acceptance that if your mind says you are x or y them that's what you can identify as and society has to accept it. Under no circumstances can you question this or put forward the argument that this maybe be a mental health issue. I suppose what I cant get my head around is the following 2 scenarios
A person wants to identify as "gender fluid" - society has to accept this and change to accommodate this person
A person  has a uncontrollable desire to chop a limb off (Apotemnophilia) - society does not have to accommodate this as they have a mental disorder and should be treated

whats the difference?

pjohnson

This wont last long.

RobertKK

Gender fluid is a load of rubbish, unless hermaphrodite.

I think it's time for Wenger to leave at this stage.

Gavinz

Game Face MCGee wrote: »

Is gender just a load of cobblers?
In the current environment there seems to be an acceptance that if your mind says you are x or y them that's what you can identify as and society has to accept it. Under no circumstances can you question this or put forward the argument that this maybe be a mental health issue. I suppose what I cant get my head around is the following 2 scenarios
A person wants to identify as "gender fluid" - society has to accept this and change to accommodate this person
A person  has a uncontrollable desire to chop a limb off (Apotemnophilia) - society does not have to accommodate this as they have a mental disorder and should be treated

whats the difference?

It's a load of old bollocks.

me_irl

Pac1Man

RobertKK wrote: »

Gender fluid is a load of rubbish.

Ah Robert! You should have said it doesn't hold water! Go edit your post and I'll edit this one to remove the evidence.

RobertKK

Pac1Man wrote: »

Ah Robert! You should have said it doesn't hold water! Go edit your post and I'll edit this one to remove the evidence.

Missed a good one.

Well done.

pjohnson

Gavinz wrote: »

It's a load of old bollocks.

Did you just assume a persons genitalia?

Shenshen

I'm starting to question the mental health of people who get so worked up about what other people want to identify as... why the obsession?

me_irl

Shenshen wrote: »

I'm starting to question the mental health of people who get so worked up about what other people want to identify as... why the obsession?

Not to be confused with this "otherkin" BS too.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Otherkin

Yet another reason why our species is doomed.

But as long as it's not hurting anyone or getting in my way... have at it. Identify as all the things.

AtomicHorror

This seems like the perfect venue to tease out this complex subject in a rational way. I am confident we will all come to an agreement following a short, empathetic and well-researched discussion.

Gavinz

pjohnson wrote: »

Did you just assume a persons genitalia?

Did you just assume that I assumed a person's genitalia?

You sir, are a bigot...or some other such limp-wristed scutter.

me_irl

pjohnson wrote: »

Did you just assume a persons genitalia?

"Oi Bruce!"


Wow. Getting a good bit of use out of that one. :pac:

GerryDerpy

Game Face MCGee wrote: »

Is gender just a load of cobblers?
In the current environment there seems to be an?acceptance that if your mind says you are x or y them that's what you can identify as and society has to accept it.?Under no circumstances can you question this or put forward the argument that this maybe be a mental health issue.?I suppose what I cant get my head around is the following 2 scenarios
A person wants to identify as "gender fluid" - society has to accept this and change to accommodate this person
A person??has a uncontrollable desire to chop a limb off (Apotemnophilia)?- society does not have to accommodate this?as they have a mental disorder and should be treated

whats the difference?

There is not much difference if the Apotemnophile wants to chop his mickey off

RobertKK

Shenshen wrote: »

I'm starting to question the mental health of people who get so worked up about what other people want to identify as... why the obsession?

I want to identify as being a God, but people think I am up myself.
I don't know why people think I have a problem, will have to smite them...

me_irl

RobertKK wrote: »

I want to identify as being a God, but people think I am up myself.
I don't know why people think I have a problem, will have to smite them...

Omnipotent-kin.

Lux23

I don't really understand why people get so upset about other people's gender identity, it has absolutely no impact on anyone else but the individual. I really think there is an element of latency in some bigotry expressed towards those that are non-binary or transgender.

Shenshen

me_irl wrote: »

Not to be confused with this "otherkin" BS too.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Otherkin

Yet another reason why our species is doomed.

But as long as it's not hurting anyone or getting in my way... have at it. Identify as all the things.

If that was enough to doom our species, one would have to wonder why birds are still around.

Gavinz

Lux23 wrote: »

I don't really understand why people get so upset about other people's gender identity, it has absolutely no impact on anyone else but the individual. I really think there is an element of latency in some bigotry expressed towards those that are non-binary or transgender.

It has an impact when some bloke in a dress tears into you for calling him, well..."him".

Fcuk that nonsense.

The_Kew_Tour

To me saying that they're no Gender or saying more then 2 just opens up a can of worms and can come with its own dangers.

Im all for equality and people can choose how they feel, but I think we are going ott for such a small select few. Far more important things to worry about.

Shenshen

RobertKK wrote: »

I want to identify as being a God, but people think I am up myself.
I don't know why people think I have a problem, will have to smite them...

I think that most of humanity identifies that way. It's just that some don't admit it.

Dr Crayfish

If I ever get in trouble with the law I'm going to assign myself the Female sex please.

http://www.independent.ie/world-news/north-america/oxford-student-who-stabbed-boyfriend-could-avoid-jail-because-of-her-extraordinary-talent-35723690.html

You can stab your partner in a drug fuelled rage and get away with it if you're a woman apparently.

AtomicHorror

Lux23 wrote: »

I don't really understand why people get so upset about other people's gender identity, it has absolutely no impact on anyone else but the individual. I really think there is an element of latency in some bigotry expressed towards those that are non-binary or transgender.

Akin to some during the Marriage Equality debate who kept talking about sexuality as a choice. If you see a choice, we've got some unpalatable news for you...

GerryDerpy

Lux23 wrote: »

I don't really understand why people get so upset about other people's gender identity, it has absolutely no impact on anyone else but the individual. I really think there is an element of latency in some bigotry expressed towards those that are non-binary or transgender.

Non-binary. Good lord.

Shenshen

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

To me saying that they're no Gender or saying more then 2 just opens up a can of worms and can come with its own dangers.

Im all for equality and people can choose how they feel, but I think we are going ott for such a small select few. Far more important things to worry about.

Sure, but I can't do much about plastic pollution in the Pacific or the nuclear threats from North Korea and the US.
But I can easily not be dick to someone who identifies as a gender that's not their sex. Doesn't cost me a thing.

Lux23

Gavinz wrote: »

It has an impact when some bloke in a dress tears into you for calling him, well..."him".

Fcuk that nonsense.

Why wouldn't you refer to them as a her, why is it such a big deal to you? I just don't get it.

Dr Crayfish

I don't live in a world where I meet transgender people and I don't know anyone who does. It's amazing how much air time this stuff gets, as if we all work and hang out with the Caitlyn Jenners of this world. I'll be honest, I just think of them as really weird men, not that I give it much thought. Really weird men are all over the place, into really weird sh*t, these ones just want to reconstruct their bodies to look like women for some reason.

me_irl

GerryDerpy wrote: »

Non-binary. Good lord.

Careful now, you might offend the atheists!

See? Society is tripping over its own feet trying to please everyone.

"Live and let live" is a good maxim to have.

That and hoping you don't offend a thin-skin-kin.

pjohnson

Gavinz wrote: »

Did you just assume that I assumed a person's genitalia?

You sir, are a bigot...or some other such limp-wristed scutter.

Well played. I doff my hat to you good man/woman/non human creature.

AtomicHorror

me_irl wrote: »

Careful now, you might offend the atheists!

See? Society is tripping over its own feet trying to please everyone.

"Live and let live" is a good maxim to have.

That and hoping you don't offend a thin-skin-kin.

Atheists don't care if you use religiously-derived language. Days of the week would be tricky otherwise.

Outlaw Pete

I actually believe in gender dysphoria but there's not a snow's chance in hell that the amount of people we are currently seeing in the media (who are mostly transitioning from male to female) have the disorder. Of the genuine cases that I have seen in documentaries, these people oozed the gender they believed they truly were long before hormonal or surgical interventions.

One of the best examples that some people are just doing it for reasons which have nothing whatsoever to do with having a disorder of any kind, was when Ben Shapiro was sitting beside a woman in a debate on this issue that claimed she had been born in the wrong body, and after Ben gave his reasoning for why he didn't believe in transgenderism (citing genetics and other factors) she (in response to Ben saying to her "What are your genetics, Sir?") slowly turned to him and in a deep slow voice, and while menacing putting a hand around Ben's shoulder, said: "You cut that out now or you'll go home in an ambulance."

Yeah, nice to meet you Miss.

pjohnson

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

One of the best examples that some people are just doing it for reasons which have nothing whatsoever to do with having a disorder, was when Ben Shapiro was sitting beside a woman who claimed that she had been born in the wrong body and after Ben gave his reasoning for why he didn't believe in transgenderism... she slowly turned to him and in a deep slow voice said: "You cut that out now, or you'll go home in an ambulance." Yeah, nice to met you Miss.

I think these are the "fluid" "non binary" lot. They pick the gender as it suits every 30 mins.

me_irl

pjohnson wrote: »

I think these are the "fluid" "non binary" lot. They pick the gender as it suits every 30 mins.

Clue's in the name.

The_Kew_Tour

Shenshen wrote: »

Sure, but I can't do much about plastic pollution in the Pacific or the nuclear threats from North Korea and the US.
But I can easily not be dick to someone who identifies as a gender that's not their sex. Doesn't cost me a thing.

Nobody says to be a dick, but honestly in past 5 years I reckon I have seen no more then 5 people who cross dress be it in Gay Bar in Cork/Dublin or on the street.

They have as much rights as anyone, but the coverage it gets for such a select few is absurd.

Lux23

Dr Crayfish wrote: »

I don't live in a world where I meet transgender people and I don't know anyone who does. It's amazing how much air time this stuff gets, as if we all work and hang out with the Caitlyn Jenners of this world. I'll be honest, I just think of them as really weird men, not that I give it much thought. Really weird men are all over the place, into really weird sh*t, these ones just want to reconstruct their bodies to look like women for some reason.

Well you live on Planet Earth, you could well know a transgender person and not even know. And there are transgender men too.

Pac1Man

The other week I cut open a red pepper and there was a green pepper growing inside it.

Lux23

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

Nobody says to be a dick, but honestly in past 5 years I reckon I have seen no more then 5 people who cross dress be it in Gay Bar in Cork/Dublin or on the street.

They have as much rights as anyone, but the coverage it gets for such a select few is absurd.

Cross-dressing isn't what a transgender person is. Most likely you encounter transgender people and don't even realise it.

Shenshen

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

Nobody says to be a dick, but honestly in past 5 years I reckon I have seen no more then 5 people who cross dress be it in Gay Bar in Cork/Dublin or on the street.

They have as much rights as anyone, but the coverage it gets for such a select few is absurd.

I suspect they get this much coverage because for some inexplicable reason it winds some people up so much.

Dr Crayfish

Lux23 wrote: »

Well you live on Planet Earth, you could well know a transgender person and not even know. And there are transgender men too.

There's far less women that want to be men than the other way around. Same way there's far more married men that dress up as women and suck d*ck at the weekends etc. Men seem to have a greater capacity to be oddballs. Generally speaking women don't seem to be into quite as weird sh*t as men.

pjohnson

Pac1Man wrote: »

The other week I cut open a red pepper and there was a green pepper growing inside it.

Transpepperism

riemann

Shenshen wrote: »

I suspect they get this much coverage because for some inexplicable reason it winds some people up so much.

Exactly. This is the kind of thing that most people don't care about. Naturally there will always be do gooders and do badders who if truth be told are probably just engaged in a battle to see who can outrage the other the most.

AtomicHorror

Dr Crayfish wrote: »

There's far less women that want to be men than the other way around. Same way there's far more married men that dress up as women and suck d*ck at the weekends etc. Men seem to have a greater capacity to be oddballs. Generally speaking women don't seem to be into quite as weird sh*t as men.

Oh come on Dr Cray, don't be coy about your feelings on homosexuals and trans people.

Keyzer

Absolute and utter lunacy if you ask me and seems to have exploded out of nowhere in recent years. Apparently there are over 60 different genders, where the hell did this line of thinking come from?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L8LIHZDfmFM

Gender studies being part of curriculum in the US colleges has no doubt added fuel to the fire.

What's worse is parents encouraging young children with this folly, I was on holidays last year and a German couple had their son wandering around in a dress because "he wanted to wear it".

AtomicHorror

Shenshen wrote: »

I suspect they get this much coverage because for some inexplicable reason it winds some people up so much.

We disagree on one point here- it's not inexplicable, but rather the wound-up don't like the explanation.

AtomicHorror

Keyzer wrote: »

Absolute and utter lunacy if you ask me and seems to have exploded out of nowhere in recent years. Apparently there are over 60 different genders, where the hell did this line of thinking come from?

Psychology, biology. Science, essentially.

Keyzer wrote: »

Gender studies being part of curriculum in the US colleges has no doubt added fuel to the fire.

Of course it has. It's a good fire.

Keyzer wrote: »

What's worse is parents encouraging young children with this folly, I was on holidays last year and a German couple had their son wandering around in a dress because "he wanted to wear it".

Yes, better to instill shame and guilt in your children.

The_Kew_Tour

Shenshen wrote: »

I suspect they get this much coverage because for some inexplicable reason it winds some people up so much.

Never met these and if it does they need worry about far bigger things.

SEPT 23 1989

I believe MTV has dropped male and female categories from the MTV Movie Awards in favour of gender neutral prizes

Shenshen

Keyzer wrote: »

What's worse is parents encouraging young children with this folly, I was on holidays last year and a German couple had their son wandering around in a dress because "he wanted to wear it".

When will this madness end? Surely, next they'll have girls wearing trousers, and then where will we be?

osarusan

Shenshen wrote: »

I suspect they get this much coverage because for some inexplicable reason it winds some people up so much.

People piss and moan about how it's everywhere and can't be avoided, but in AH at least, the vast majority of the coverage comes from posters complaining about it.

me_irl

Shenshen wrote: »

When will this madness end? Surely, next they'll have girls wearing trousers, and then where will we be?

I'm burning my male bra as I type!