Dairy chit chat II

einn32 · 14-05-2017 05:27PM

Fixture wrote: »

I think the facts in that case were a little different.

Yeah he questioned an AI companies product quality.

kowtow · 14-05-2017 06:01PM

Water John wrote:

Bet you slept well after that blowout, Kowtow, and well put.

Yeh.. the gloves are off.

We can hear the call of Bill O Keefe even down in the deserts of Cork.

Dwag · 14-05-2017 07:18PM

kowtow wrote: »

And the biggest part of that confidence would be to stop trying to plan everything from the top downwards, and to encourage - or at least not discourage - a thriving, small, independent and truly co-operative processing environment on a similar scale to the family farms it serves (note.. serves).

We need to be brave and - for once - to choose quality over quantity and remember that jam today is rarely better and never longer lasting than jam tomorrow.

And - rather than lauding incessant "innovation" - the "hundreds and thousands" of repackaging and re branding - to remember that the really high margin, quality products, which are known worldwide are the simple ones rooted in the land they come from - not the power-point of some half arsed marketing intern.

The Ireland which is loved around the world is not the Ireland of agri-business boardrooms, but of small farms, the landscape they occupy and the families which work them. People from all nations already buy into that concept, not least because it represents a human scale which is fast disappearing. We need products of quality and integrity which reflect that rich tapestry - and we should accept that it may take a generation or two for them to bubble up and to find the real and lasting success which we aspire to. We don't need analysts, consultants, and researchers to design them - because everything we need is already sitting right there in our bulk tanks.

It would be a pity if we allowed the outdated soviet style supply planning of Harvest 2020 and 2025 and the misplaced addiction to instant rewards and cut price production to destroy our real selling points before we have a chance to let the world discover them.

Brilliant.
Should be published in all mainstream farming media.
If small individual start-ups can be encouraged and nourished in IT why can't it be done at farm level?
The consumer is a lot more savvy nowadays and they don't need the nanny state telling them what's healthy etc.
The French, Dutch, Swiss, Italians etc start local with taste, provenance and quality...and then market to the world.

A delight to read posts like that.

Dwag · 14-05-2017 07:19PM

Timmaay wrote: »

Any merchants with urea still in stock in the South East ha? Longer term forecast to stay mixed weather, hopefully hit a few weeks of growth in around the 100.

Market is plummeting for urea and nitrate...

Dwag · 14-05-2017 07:22PM

yosemitesam1 wrote: »

How far east would you go? Would ya cross the Volga?

Eastern bank of the Danube, not far from the Black Sea.
It's corrupt enough east of the Danube without crossing the Volga.

Dwag · 15-05-2017 06:49AM

Only fit for a wheelchair today.
Took the young lady to Astérix parc yesterday and the roller coasters nearly killed me.
For goodness sake have children when you're still young!

Two off work today so I've to mow lucerne for the day. Moan. Moan...

visatorro · 15-05-2017 07:35AM

Anyone spreading fert or waiting until next week.? Good few showers forecast

Mooooo · 15-05-2017 07:54AM

visatorro wrote: »

Anyone spreading fert or waiting until next week.? Good few showers forecast

Pissing rain down here, gave urea in the yard will likely go wed as could be too wet to go before hand.

oxjkqg · 15-05-2017 08:19AM

Mooooo wrote: »

Had two calves here sick, with the last three days, multiple feeds and they seem to be coming around very lethargic but one was sucking again last night, so figured they are on the right track, came out this morning and wasn't a fcuking crow after picking the eye out of one of them bastards of yokes

Sorry to hear that. I had similar problems with crows and starlings and i got a friend who was in the local gun club up to do a job. he came up late one friday nite around 10pm and gave 20 mins shooting. he used plastic bullets so no damage to anything only killing the named pests. got rid of them anyway!

Signpost · 15-05-2017 01:35PM

Rains back just in time to quell any silage notions, herself will be delighted at the prolonged company.

stretch film · 15-05-2017 02:02PM

Signpost wrote: »

Rains back just in time to quell any silage notions, herself will be delighted at the prolonged company.

One instance where rain won't stop play

K.G. · 15-05-2017 02:09PM

kowtow wrote: »

And the biggest part of that confidence would be to stop trying to plan everything from the top downwards, and to encourage - or at least not discourage - a thriving, small, independent and truly co-operative processing environment on a similar scale to the family farms it serves (note.. serves).

We need to be brave and - for once - to choose quality over quantity and remember that jam today is rarely better and never longer lasting than jam tomorrow.

And - rather than lauding incessant "innovation" - the "hundreds and thousands" of repackaging and re branding - to remember that the really high margin, quality products, which are known worldwide are the simple ones rooted in the land they come from - not the power-point of some half arsed marketing intern.

The Ireland which is loved around the world is not the Ireland of agri-business boardrooms, but of small farms, the landscape they occupy and the families which work them. People from all nations already buy into that concept, not least because it represents a human scale which is fast disappearing. We need products of quality and integrity which reflect that rich tapestry - and we should accept that it may take a generation or two for them to bubble up and to find the real and lasting success which we aspire to. We don't need analysts, consultants, and researchers to design them - because everything we need is already sitting right there in our bulk tanks.

It would be a pity if we allowed the outdated soviet style supply planning of Harvest 2020 and 2025 and the misplaced addiction to instant rewards and cut price production to destroy our real selling points before we have a chance to let the world discover them.

touch of devs speech about his vision for ireland with" maidens dancing at crossroads" about that post.nice aspiration but ......

yewtree · 15-05-2017 02:43PM

Looking fora bit of advice on concrete troughs i am upgrading the water system at the moment. anyone have any recommendations for particular make? Bottom fill or top fill? thanks in advance

Mooooo · 15-05-2017 03:23PM

yewtree wrote: »

Looking fora bit of advice on concrete troughs i am upgrading the water system at the moment. anyone have any recommendations for particular make? Bottom fill or top fill? thanks in advance

Havent bought any concrete recently, but personally prefer topfill as leaks may be spotted quicker and fixed without having to empty water out. Have seen troughs with a plastic pipe set in the concrete and a screw on cap over it for emptying but I'd say the ones with a hole in the concrete and a rubber bung would be better as the finish on the ones with the pipe didn't look great in terms of a leak being possible can't remember the name

freedominacup · 15-05-2017 07:26PM

yewtree wrote: »

Looking fora bit of advice on concrete troughs i am upgrading the water system at the moment. anyone have any recommendations for particular make? Bottom fill or top fill? thanks in advance

We bought a few Moore tanks last year. Top fill. Very easy to fit high flow ballcocks to them. Big bung on the side at base. I had a conversation with an advisor last week and I'm going to fit shut off valves to the troughs and shut off and empty troughs after grazing to try and keep troughs cleaner. No water no attraction for birds etc so should be less dirt in troughs.

Buford T. Justice XIX · 15-05-2017 07:42PM

freedominacup wrote: »

We bought a few Moore tanks last year. Top fill. Very easy to fit high flow ballcocks to them. Big bung on the side at base. I had a conversation with an advisor last week and I'm going to fit shut off valves to the troughs and shut off and empty troughs after grazing to try and keep troughs cleaner. No water no attraction for birds etc so should be less dirt in troughs.

After each grazing, freedom, or just the last grazing?

Dwag · 15-05-2017 07:57PM

K.G. wrote: »

touch of devs speech about his vision for ireland with" maidens dancing at crossroads" about that post.nice aspiration but ......

Ah no K.G.

Dev was retrospective.
Kowtow is prospective...even Fonterra, the ultimate commodity jockeys, are changing their thinking.

I suppose we could wait for Fonterra to magic up something, wait for them to max the brand and the market, then throw the whole Irish dairy industry behind it...perfect.

Innovation starts small, not from the bowels of some large corporations marketing dept.
We are talking food after all, not robotics.

Waffletraktor · 15-05-2017 08:05PM

Dwag wrote: »

Ah no K.G.

Dev was retrospective.
Kowtow is prospective...even Fonterra, the ultimate commodity jockeys, are changing their thinking.

I suppose we could wait for Fonterra to magic up something, wait for them to max the brand and the market, then throw the whole Irish dairy industry behind it...perfect.

Innovation starts small, not from the bowels of some large corporations marketing dept.
We are talking food after all, not robotics.

Tbh, anyone who can't see there's absolutely no future for a western european farm producing for anything but into the highest premium markets deserves everything coming their way. This also means working to set new standards not struggling to get over the line for ok, as this is something important to this customer as you simply can't afford to produce for everyone.

kowtow · 15-05-2017 08:18PM

K.G. wrote:

touch of devs speech about his vision for ireland with" maidens dancing at crossroads" about that post.nice aspiration but ......

Comely maidens, I think. With strong milking hands.

Maybe it's middle age but I reckon that's a better aspiration than hen parties vomiting on every corner after a week shovelling paper and profits for multinationals!

Dwag · 15-05-2017 08:23PM

kowtow wrote: »

Comely maidens, I think. With strong milking hands.

Maybe it's middle age but I reckon that's a better aspiration than hen parties vomiting on every corner after a week shovelling paper and profits for multinationals!

Lmao!

mahoney_j · 15-05-2017 08:27PM

yewtree wrote: »

Looking fora bit of advice on concrete troughs i am upgrading the water system at the moment. anyone have any recommendations for particular make? Bottom fill or top fill? thanks in advance

Just upgraded mine ,both water system and troughs ,220 gallon bottom fill troughs from Spillane concrete nenagh ,have a few Murphy concrete troughs ,much prefer Spillane's

Panch18 · 15-05-2017 08:53PM

mahoney_j wrote: »

yewtree wrote: »

Looking fora bit of advice on concrete troughs i am upgrading the water system at the moment. anyone have any recommendations for particular make? Bottom fill or top fill? thanks in advance

Just upgraded mine ,both water system and troughs ,220 gallon bottom fill troughs from Spillane concrete nenagh ,have a few Murphy concrete troughs ,much prefer Spillane's

How come you prefer the Spillane?

Will be getting more concrete in the near future and looking to see what's out here

mahoney_j · 15-05-2017 09:02PM

Panch18 wrote: »

How come you prefer the Spillane?

Will be getting more concrete in the near future and looking to see what's out here

Murphys ones,don't like ballcock in middle of trough ,don't like ballcock and the fact that connection to trough is 1/2 inch connection ,big reduction from 1.5 inch loop to inch up to trough and then 1/2 inch into trough itself

orm0nd · 15-05-2017 09:48PM

mahoney_j wrote: »

Murphys ones,don't like ballcock in middle of trough ,don't like ballcock and the fact that connection to trough is 1/2 inch connection ,big reduction from 1.5 inch loop to inch up to trough and then 1/2 inch into trough itself

2 of murphys cracked and leaking here, other than cows and bull scratching/rubbing off them no other reason

always drained in winter

Wildsurfer · 15-05-2017 10:23PM

Yeah same as mj Murphy and Spillane here and prefer Spillane. Just a simple well finished trough, very easy to empty and clean, smooth rounded surfaces and large bung.

Muleman · 15-05-2017 10:26PM

Hi lads first post here hope it's allowed or please redirect me to a more apt forum. Looking at getting in to cows from a beef and sheep set up. Have 113acre milking platform and 60 acres silage heifer block. Any one man operations here that could advise on cow nos manageable by 1 person and relief if available. Talking to local dairy men relief hard got in our area.

freedominacup · 15-05-2017 10:30PM

Buford T. Justice V wrote: »

After each grazing, freedom, or just the last grazing?

Each time but we have a bit of a problem with gulls. Probably not a big deal inland.

Keepgrowing · 15-05-2017 10:31PM

http://i.stuff.co.nz/business/farming/advice/92338064/John-Roche-Pasture-is-an-excellent-feed-unless-you-mismanage-it?cid=app-android

Wildsurfer · 15-05-2017 10:34PM

Depends how hard you want to work! Welcome to Boards.

Mooooo · 15-05-2017 10:35PM

freedominacup wrote: »

We bought a few Moore tanks last year. Top fill. Very easy to fit high flow ballcocks to them. Big bung on the side at base. I had a conversation with an advisor last week and I'm going to fit shut off valves to the troughs and shut off and empty troughs after grazing to try and keep troughs cleaner. No water no attraction for birds etc so should be less dirt in troughs.

A lad down here made covers for his troughs and are covered once cows leave the paddock, also fitted a small connection to tanker to empty them. He reckons covers are good as no sunlight so no growth in them and keeps badgers crows etc out

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