Dairy chit chat II

freedominacup

blackdog1 wrote: »

Don't think I'd drop the maize at all. They need the starch. Last year I had 4 fat this time of year on the same ration...just goes to show grass is a great feed but inconsistent.

I think there's always an argument in favour of two different starch sources. Checked the spec. 35% hulls. Stopped the rot on bf dropping.

pedigree 6

This article is like something a cross between yosemitesam and kowtow would write. No offence meant to either of ye.:)

http://www.kiwifertiliser.co.nz/index.php/case-studies/urea

Dwag

blackdog1 wrote: »

I have a 14% ration atm.
26% barley
20% maize
20%soya hulls
15% soya bean
7% wheat.

Advisor is saying add 10% more soya hulls and get rid of the wheat and some barley....I'm not so sure what do you recommend ? Beet pulp can't be got.

Jesus wept. Just wrote a lengthy reply and lost all. So recap.

You're cows are lacking digestible fibre, as distinct from non digestible cellulose...
It's about pectins and plant cell wall blah blah blah...
Sorghum forage is tops, beet pulp is lower and soya hulls less so, with citrus pulp down the pile.
Freedom says two starch sources... I agree and disagree...French maize (tops, not sh!tting you) versus Irish barley '16 harvest? No contest.
Keep in a little protein but it must be soya and not the solubles like rape, distillers etc... bring to 12-14% max.

Starch/Energy + digestible fibre is what you need now.
Ffs cows should be increasing bcs with the best grass of the year.

Dwag

pedigree 6 wrote: »

This article is like something a cross between yosemitesam and kowtow would write. No offence meant to either of ye.:)

http://www.kiwifertiliser.co.nz/index.php/case-studies/urea

Paired with the article that Keepgrowing linked should leave us all perfectly informed...

blackdog1

Dwag wrote:

You're cows are lacking digestible fibre, as distinct from non digestible cellulose... It's about pectins and plant cell wall blah blah blah... Sorghum forage is tops, beet pulp is lower and soya hulls less so, with citrus pulp down the pile. Freedom says two starch sources... I agree and disagree...French maize (tops, not sh!tting you) versus Irish barley '16 harvest? No contest. Keep in a little protein but it must be soya and not the solubles like rape, distillers etc... bring to 12-14% max.

Dwag wrote:

Starch/Energy + digestible fibre is what you need now. Ffs cows should be increasing bcs with the best grass of the year.

So your basically advocating dropping wheat and barley content and increasing maize meal and soya hull percentages. I can order a small load and see the results. Definitely need to change something.

kowtow

Dwag wrote:

Paired with the article that Keepgrowing linked should leave us all perfectly informed...

The pair of them would give a lot of food for thought alright.

Dwag

blackdog1 wrote: »

So your basically advocating dropping wheat and barley content and increasing maize meal and soya hull percentages. I can order a small load and see the results. Definitely need to change something.

Can't understand why wheat is in there in the first place. Maybe next October revisit the wheat.
Yes scratch the barley. Poor quality energy from last year.
Maize (coarse rolled!) and soya hulls if beet pulp isn't available. Hi pro soya also and a pinch of salt unless you're spreading Na on paddocks.

Dwag

kowtow wrote: »

The pair of them would give a lot of food for thought alright.

There's a big difference between drawing a story and telling a story...

GrasstoMilk

Dwag wrote: »

Can't understand why wheat is in there in the first place. Maybe next October revisit the wheat.
Yes scratch the barley. Poor quality energy from last year.
Maize (coarse rolled!) and soya hulls if beet pulp isn't available. Hi pro soya also and a pinch of salt unless you're spreading Na on paddocks.

Visited a large pig unit here a few weeks back. 1000 head a week going.
He was saying he much preferes wheat to maize as a energy source. He'll use maize when ever he is stuck but always finds they never ever weigh for him on the scales. Look super though he says

Dwag

GrasstoMilk wrote: »

Visited a large pig unit here a few weeks back. 1000 head a week going.
He was saying he much preferes wheat to maize as a energy source. He'll use maize when ever he is stuck but always finds they never ever weigh for him on the scales. Look super though he says

Wheat is great...if you're milking pigs.

Pigs and poultry are the major wheat end users on the planet.
Maize doesn't suit pigs.

charolais0153

Dwag wrote: »

Wheat is great...if you're milking pigs.

Pigs and poultry are the major wheat end users on the planet.
Maize doesn't suit pigs.

Is it to do with how maize meal goes slow through the rumen suppressing intakes and the wheat speeds it up... The soya hulls probably do that too though

yosemitesam1

pedigree 6 wrote: »

This article is like something a cross between yosemitesam and kowtow would write. No offence meant to either of ye.:)

http://www.kiwifertiliser.co.nz/index.php/case-studies/urea

Have a look at some of these, all proper green, sustainable, environmental/ecoligally friendly and will produce distinctive products.

http://www.dailymotion.com/EFNCP

K.G.

sometimes i say why do i bother with f&f,and a thread like this comes along.excellent info

Buford T. Justice XIX

Dwag wrote: »

Wheat is great...if you're milking pigs.

Pigs and poultry are the major wheat end users on the planet.
Maize doesn't suit pigs.

I had enough problems putting a cluster on a four titted heifer this spring, could you imaging putting a cluster on a 12 titted witch?:P

whelan2

Bull gone in with cows today. Ai finished
On 14% nut here
30% maize gluten
26% barley
21.5 % soya hulls
7.8% molasses
6% distillers
5% rapeseed meal

jaymla627

whelan2 wrote: »

Bull gone in with cows today. Ai finished
On 14% nut here
30% maize gluten
26% barley
21.5 % soya hulls
7.8% molasses
6% distillers
5% rapeseed meal

Alot of poor ingrediants in that would reckon its out of glanbia too, maize gluten needs to be replaced by actual maize, and rapeseed/distillers by soya-bean meal way to much molasses on top of that, i hope its coming in cheap 200 euro is all its worth max

whelan2

Not glanbia. Spent a good bit of the morning taking lumps of caked nuts out of cashman feeders. Last load was glanbia. Not a nice job. De knuckled myself in the process. Dont know why the glanbia nuts do that, does it happen to anyone else?

jaymla627

whelan2 wrote: »

Not glanbia. Spent a good bit of the morning taking lumps of caked nuts out of cashman feeders. Last load was glanbia. Not a nice job. De knuckled myself in the process. Dont know why the glanbia nuts do that, does it happen to anyone else?

Happened us with the load of nuts i had to get of glanbia as part of fixed price scheme, palm kernal was the problem its nasty stuff for sticking to bins

Dwag

Buford T. Justice V wrote: »

I had enough problems putting a cluster on a four titted heifer this spring, could you imaging putting a cluster on a 12 titted witch?:P

Ah ye're missing a trick chief.
The Devon/Cornwall black pig is renowned for its high solids milk...you don't need roofless cubicles, or any cubicles as those black pigs delight in being up to their oxters in shyte in the winter months!
Almost as small as jerseys to boot...

Buford T. Justice XIX

Dwag wrote: »

Ah ye're missing a trick chief.
The Devon/Cornwall black pig is renowned for its high solids milk...you don't need roofless cubicles, or any cubicles as those black pigs delight in being up to their oxters in shyte in the winter months!
Almost as small as jerseys to boot...

When you're back I'll leave you do a relief milking or two for me in case you miss it.

And I won't even charge you for doing it!

kowtow

I see Teagasc have chosen "Resilient" as their buzzword de jour.

It's much better than "Sustainable"

After all, a sustainable farm would require a milk price which allowed it to thrive and expand across the generations, without damaging the environment, the consumers, or the farmer. A resilient one, on the other hand, just requires a farmer that works for nothing, puts up with anything, and can't be stopped.

I sense a new age of realism in the air.

orm0nd

fecking monster bumble bee made a crash landing in the parlor this evening

2 cows went beserk,

luckily no injuries to man or beast but just shows how easily things can happen,

pedigree 6

orm0nd wrote: »

fecking monster bumble bee made a crash landing in the parlor this evening

2 cows went beserk,

luckily no injuries to man or beast but just shows how easily things can happen,

Did it come through the roof?

How big are we talking?

pedigree 6

pedigree 6 wrote: »

Milk urea test just went to 13 on load yesterday.
I've never seen it go so low before.

As you say though expect that to rise now with the rain.

Bf 3.64
Pr 3.39
Lactose 5.04
And the big one M.U 23

No changes made (same fert on field and same meal).
The only difference between that test above and this one is the rains have arrived!

Mooooo

Just pulled a dead aa bull from a heifer, third one this year with both. Front legs down, handled her a felt the head and was able to bring legs forward fine so was surprised when I got head out that calf was dead. Heifer seems ok stayed standing while I pulled the calf, didn't do much pushing, gave her a shot of oxytocin just to help her pass the cleaning

whelan2

Mooooo wrote: »

Just pulled a dead aa bull from a heifer, third one this year with both. Front legs down, handled her a felt the head and was able to bring legs forward fine so was surprised when I got head out that calf was dead. Heifer seems ok stayed standing while I pulled the calf, didn't do much pushing, gave her a shot of oxytocin just to help her pass the cleaning

Many left to calve?

Dwag

kowtow wrote: »

I see Teagasc have chosen "Resilient" as their buzzword de jour.

It's much better than "Sustainable"

After all, a sustainable farm would require a milk price which allowed it to thrive and expand across the generations, without damaging the environment, the consumers, or the farmer. A resilient one, on the other hand, just requires a farmer that works for nothing, puts up with anything, and can't be stopped.

I sense a new age of realism in the air.

Resilience and the philosophy of stoicism go hand in hand. Both are admirable characteristics in a person...once it's to do with moral/ physical/political issues etc.

However...there is little place for fervent farm families to succumb to the political/industrial propaganda of 'being so well placed in the planet that they can wipe the floor with all milk producers'.

Talking with the boss today and on musing that the gross output of one cow (here) could buy 3acres of land, he said that if was so in Ireland, land would be €50k an acre...

Dwag

whelan2 wrote: »

Many left to calve?

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blackdog1

Mooooo wrote:

Just pulled a dead aa bull from a heifer, third one this year with both. Front legs down, handled her a felt the head and was able to bring legs forward fine so was surprised when I got head out that calf was dead. Heifer seems ok stayed standing while I pulled the calf, didn't do much pushing, gave her a shot of oxytocin just to help her pass the cleaning

Have you an iodine problem? I had calves die last year when they shouldn't and since I put iodine into water calves are way hardy and no real problems.

visatorro

blackdog1 wrote: »

Have you an iodine problem? I had calves die last year when they shouldn't and since I put iodine into water calves are way hardy and no real problems.

Same problem Stan recommended topical iodine. No bother since