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100 gay men detained in 'concentration camps' in Chechnya — read first post

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  • #122
    snowflaker
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    Help!!!! wrote: »
    When? Where?

    Russian Embassy protests


  • #123
    neverever1
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    snowflaker wrote: »
    Prisoner's dilemma

    Sounds more likely cowardice and greed!


  • #124
    wakka12
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    snowflaker wrote: »
    How is Trump pro LGBTQ?

    Ive heard many differing stories on whether he's pro or anti lgbt tbh. Ivanka is a gay rights activist so Im sure that actually holds some power over his own views. https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/conservatives-upset-with-trump-for-extending-obama-lgbtq-executive-order-on


  • #125
    snowflaker
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    neverever1 wrote: »
    Sounds more likely cowardice and greed!

    Human nature unfortunately

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prisoner%27s_dilemma


  • #126
    neverever1
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    wakka12 wrote: »
    Or maybe its not a financial bribe and they used means of spying or surveillance to find out somebody was gay, and then threatened they'd kill them if they didnt give away names of other people
    Im sure theres more to it than we know and I'm sure theres lots of individual cases

    Yeah maybe. Doesn't look good for them all now anyway.


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  • #127
    Help!!!!
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    snowflaker wrote: »
    How is Trump pro LGBTQ?

    Here you go

    http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/trumps-gay-presidency/article/2612556


  • #128
    snowflaker
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    Help!!!! wrote: »
    Here you go

    http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/trumps-gay-presidency/article/2612556

    interesting link, his Religious Freedom EO makes that largely worthless now.

    Christian laws good? Sharia Law bad?


  • #129
    PopePalpatine
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    Help!!!! wrote: »
    Whats worse is that Trump is pro LGBTQ & they took the whole " grab the pussy " thing out of context

    You mean the "I moved on her like a bitch" context? :rolleyes:

    Congrats on derailing the thread.


  • #130
    Help!!!!
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    PopePalpatine wrote: »
    You mean the "I moved on her like a bitch" context? :rolleyes:

    Congrats on derailing the thread.

    He was saying that women let people do it when your famous.....not that he spends his day going around grabbing everyone he sees :rolleyes:


  • #131
    PopePalpatine
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    I'm sure Jimmy Savile and Rolf Harris said that too.


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  • #132
    Beyondgone
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    On the upside, the inmates redecorated the place and it is now fabulous. All the other Chechens are pretty jealous. Jealous and backwards.


  • #133
    Rightwing
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    neverever1 wrote: »
    Do they only capture the gay men when there's proof that they're gay? I'm sure there's less flamboyant behaviour from the gays over there to avoid suspicion.

    Indeed.
    Keep the head down would be my advice. Don't raise suspicions needlessly.


  • #134
    Beyondgone
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    Rightwing wrote: »
    Indeed.
    Keep the head down would be my advice. Don't raise suspicions needlessly.

    Oh matron.


  • #135
    Rightwing
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    snowflaker wrote: »
    How is Trump pro LGBTQ?

    Trump is more like a democrat.


  • #136
    Annasopra
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    Rightwing wrote: »
    Correct.

    Another thing the West must remember is we can't expect these backward countries to conform to western standards overnight.

    What exctly do you define as "western standards"? Gay people not getting murdered?

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • #137
    Annasopra
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    Help!!!! wrote: »
    Why is it that members of the LGBTQ would rather protest Trump, with their pink pussy hats & burka's etc but do nothing about " gay concentration camps in Chechnya "? Oh right Trump is the big bad boogey man

    Sorry you've lost me.

    There has been a large protest in Dublin and many other cities across the world. There has been a huge campaign by All Out and by others.

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • #138
    Really Interested
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    Help!!!! wrote: »
    He was saying that women let people do it when your famous.....not that he spends his day going around grabbing everyone he sees :rolleyes:

    What Trump actully said:

    "Trump: "I moved on her actually. You know she was down on Palm Beach. I moved on her, and I failed. I'll admit it. I did try and **** her, she was married."

    "Trump: "No, no, Nancy. No this was [inaudible] and I moved on her very heavily in fact I took her out furniture shopping. She wanted to get some furniture. I said I'll show you where they have some nice furniture. I moved on her like a bitch. I couldn't get there and she was married. Then all-of-a-sudden I see her, she's now got the big phony tits and everything. She's totally changed her look."

    Trump: "Yeah that's her with the gold. I better use some Tic Tacs just in case I start kissing her. You know I'm automatically attracted to beautiful... I just start kissing them. It's like a magnet. Just kiss. I don't even wait. And when you're a star they let you do it. You can do anything."

    Bush: "Whatever you want."

    Trump: "Grab them by the pussy. You can do anything."

    He only moved on the good looking ones.


  • #139
    Annasopra
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    Rightwing wrote: »
    Indeed.
    Keep the head down would be my advice. Don't raise suspicions needlessly.

    Wear a long skirt.

    Stay sober.

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • #140
    Beyondgone
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    Joeytheparrot wrote: »
    What exctly do you define as "western standards"? Gay people not getting murdered?

    You're both a hypocrite and a bit of a f**l IMO Joey. You Mod LGBT yet you're pro Muslim immigration. The very people who despise LGBT people and seek to do them down. You baffle me. You're like the ultimate turkey voting for Christmas. I've loads and loads of gay friends - I'm very much a massive fan of people doing whatever the hell they want with their own bodies, and your type of Undermining self-destructors scare the hell out of them. You scare the hell out of me too.


  • #141
    wakka12
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    Joeytheparrot wrote: »
    Sorry you've lost me.

    There has been a large protest in Dublin and many other cities across the world. There has been a huge campaign by All Out and by others.

    Clearly there have been protests but the public outcry over the events has been relatively pathetic imo considering how shocking everything going on there is.
    consider this, if a concentration camp was set up in a western nation that was arresting muslims and killing them? The world would implode with outrage


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  • #142
    Calhoun
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    Honestly not sure where this thread is going, this is pretty terrible thing that is happening. The onus is on everyone not just the LGBQT community to be shocked by this.

    I think something as serious as going on right now trumps any right v left squabbles.


  • #143
    Rightwing
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    wakka12 wrote: »
    Clearly there have been protests but the public outcry over the events has been relatively pathetic imo considering how shocking everything going on there is.
    consider this, if a concentration camp was set up in a western nation that was arresting muslims and killing them? The world would implode with outrage


    I don't believe in protests. People have their own lives to live. The show must go on.


  • #144
    .........
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    What about the other men detained in concentration camps, should any of them be there, regardless of their sexuality ?


  • #145
    Annasopra
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    Rightwing wrote: »
    I don't believe in protests. People have their own lives to live. The show must go on.

    Noone is asking you to believe in them.

    Clearly people do not have their own lives to live in Chechnya. They are being totured and killed because of their sexual orientation.

    Why must the show go on?

    Frankly your blase attitude to human rights abuses is sickening and disgusting.

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • #146
    Calhoun
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    ......... wrote: »
    What about the other men detained in concentration camps, should any of them be there, regardless of their sexuality ?

    Of course not what countries have large concentration camps at the moment?


  • #147
    Rightwing
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    Joeytheparrot wrote: »
    Noone is asking you to believe in them.

    Clearly people do not have their own lives to live in Chechnya. They are being totured and killed because of their sexual orientation.

    Why must the show go on?

    Frankly your blase attitude to human rights abuses is sickening and disgusting.

    Let's be honest here, they are unlucky. Didn't someone say straight men are in those camps too. So obviously they are getting different categories.

    Why should we sort out these problems over say problems in Africa? There are so many problems in the world I don't want to know about them. If Chechnya was the only place, then maybe a solution should be looked for. The world isn't a fair place. We are lucky, they aren't.


  • #148
    Annasopra
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    Rightwing wrote: »
    Let's be honest here, they are unlucky. Didn't someone say straight men are in those camps too. So obviously they are getting different categories.

    Why should we sort out these problems over say problems in Africa? There are so many problems in the world I don't want to know about them. If Chechnya was the only place, then maybe a solution should be looked for. The world isn't a fair place. We are lucky, they aren't.

    As I said. Your blase attitude is sickening and disgusting. Nothing to do with luck whatsoever. We can all do whataboutery.

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • #149
    Beyondgone
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    Joeytheparrot wrote: »
    Noone is asking you to believe in them.

    Clearly people do not have their own lives to live in Chechnya. They are being totured and killed because of their sexual orientation.

    Why must the show go on?

    Frankly your blase attitude to human rights abuses is sickening and disgusting.

    Answer me Joey. Skip answering the easy ones. How do you justify your self-destructive view? Or are you just another self-destructive? That's a pretty common position for people with massive insecurities.


  • #150
    Rightwing
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    Joeytheparrot wrote: »
    As I said. Your blase attitude is sickening and disgusting. Nothing to do with luck whatsoever. We can all do whataboutery.

    It's all about luck.

    Whatever about you, I'm certainly not going to be on the streets waving banners for homosexuals in backward countries, nor am I going to be out protesting against the likes of Trump, or people starving somewhere.


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  • #151
    Annasopra
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    Rightwing wrote: »
    It's all about luck.
    Whatever about you, I'm certainly not going to be on the streets waving banners for homosexuals in backward countries, nor am I going to be out protesting against the likes of Trump, or people starving somewhere.
    Noone is asking you to. Get over it. It's much more than luck and frankly that is just an absurd thing to suggest.

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



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