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Dairy chit chat II

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  • #2222
    Wildsurfer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,571 ✭✭✭Wildsurfer


    Doing my own AI mainly unless bigger numbers on. AI man did 8 cows this morning, I did five maiden heifers mid day and another 5 cows this evening after milking. It just means its not all a panic trying to get everything in first thing in morning. Using Gene Ireland straws on anything not too sure of as at only €7 a pop well worth the gamble. Also DIY is great later on get a blast of cheap beef straws and back up the bulls.


  • #2223
    Dwag
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 162 ✭✭Dwag


    Bf gone from 4.4 to 3.2?
    Plenty fibre in the diet.

    Anyone any ideas?


  • #2224
    yosemitesam1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,095 ✭✭✭yosemitesam1


    Dwag wrote: »
    Bf gone from 4.4 to 3.2?
    Plenty fibre in the diet.

    Anyone any ideas?

    Are they outside at all? Possibly diet could be high in fat especially if it temps were cool enough


  • #2225
    Timmaay
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,392 ✭✭✭✭Timmaay


    Dwag wrote: »
    Bf gone from 4.4 to 3.2?
    Plenty fibre in the diet.

    Anyone any ideas?

    Lorry driver mixed up your samples lol?


  • #2226
    Brown Podzol
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    Dwag wrote: »
    Bf gone from 4.4 to 3.2?
    Plenty fibre in the diet.

    Anyone any ideas?

    The science behind the seasonal drop in butterfat.



    http://tommythevet.ie/farming-videos/talking-to-an-expert/


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  • #2227
    MF290
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 728 ✭✭✭MF290


    Dwag wrote: »
    Bf gone from 4.4 to 3.2?
    Plenty fibre in the diet.

    Anyone any ideas?

    Saw this video the other day to do with a sudden drop in fat. Mainly to do with grass based diet but it's worth a watch

    https://youtu.be/wYVK4AVeaiw

    edit: too slow brown podzol got there first


  • #2228
    jaymla627
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,129 ✭✭✭jaymla627


    Dwag wrote: »
    Bf gone from 4.4 to 3.2?
    Plenty fibre in the diet.

    Anyone any ideas?

    Feeding a three way mix of nis, palm kernel and maize meal before evening milking to help with b.f here, seems to be working holding bf at 3.6 and dungs have firmed up a nice bit, helping to keep milk ureas below high 20's also....
    Compared to the same week last year where b.f was down to 3.2 with milk urea up in the high 30's, cows are holding condition better to with grass not running through them as quick


  • #2229
    yosemitesam1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,095 ✭✭✭yosemitesam1


    You can buy a cla supplement to lower milk fat, marketed as keeping litres up while reducing energy demand so fert is increased.

    Are you feeding any of that high ufl maize or distillers dwag? Both would be high in oil that could cause this.


  • #2230
    Dwag
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 162 ✭✭Dwag


    yosemitesam1 wrote: »
    You can buy a cla supplement to lower milk fat, marketed as keeping litres up while reducing energy demand so fert is increased.

    Are you feeding any of that high ufl maize or distillers dwag? Both would be high in oil that could cause this.

    Cows indoors because of drought with a fortnight.
    Bf was at 4.4 and pr at 3.3.
    Switched to indoors at night and bf dropped to 3.6...not tooooo bad.
    Then last test was 3.3pr and 3.2bf.

    Feed 18kgdm forage maize (33%dm 37% starch 10.1%pr)
    6kg maize crimp.
    5kg soya crimp.
    600g straw.
    Herd average 37.1 litres.
    High yielders get an extra 3kg maize crimp.
    42% of the herd over 210 dim.
    Milk urea 28.

    Nutritionist here this morning and scratching his head...maybe Tim is correct.


  • #2231
    yosemitesam1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,095 ✭✭✭yosemitesam1


    Dwag wrote: »
    Cows indoors because of drought with a fortnight.
    Bf was at 4.4 and pr at 3.3.
    Switched to indoors at night and bf dropped to 3.6...not tooooo bad.
    Then last test was 3.3pr and 3.2bf.

    Feed 18kgdm forage maize (33%dm 37% starch 10.1%pr)
    6kg maize crimp.
    5kg soya crimp.
    600g straw.
    Herd average 37.1 litres.
    High yielders get an extra 3kg maize crimp.
    42% of the herd over 210 dim.
    Milk urea 28.

    Nutritionist here this morning and scratching his head...maybe Tim is correct.

    Sounds like high oil is the problem. Presume dungs are fine? Is that whole soybean crimped?
    That's probably be what I'd pull first and replace with soymeal.
    Might take the guts of a week to see bf pickup


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  • #2232
    leg wax
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    just put down a fr heifer calf, just put her out yesterday with her pals, she broke her back leg in the fun, i knew it was going too well for legs.......


  • #2233
    pedigree 6
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,559 ✭✭✭pedigree 6


    leg wax wrote: »
    just put down a fr heifer calf, just put her out yesterday with her pals, she broke her back leg in the fun, i knew it was going too well for legs.......

    The ground is like concrete atm.
    Still, not nice to loose any stock.

    Did you get a new tank?


  • #2234
    leg wax
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,296 ✭✭✭leg wax


    pedigree 6 wrote: »
    The ground is like concrete atm.
    Still, not nice to loose any stock.

    Did you get a new tank?

    no and will not,unless it stops,


  • #2235
    Dwag
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 162 ✭✭Dwag


    yosemitesam1 wrote: »
    Sounds like high oil is the problem. Presume dungs are fine? Is that whole soybean crimped?
    That's probably be what I'd pull first and replace with soymeal.
    Might take the guts of a week to see bf pickup

    It all points to too much oils/fats but they were on the same diet in Jan/feb and no bother.
    Yes soya is whole bean crimped and likewise the maize.

    Lol
    Can't buy soya meal...it wouldn't look good on PM...no meal bought here!!!


    Edit. Bought a load of spelt hulls. Cheap and an excellent source of fibre.


  • #2236
    Dwag
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 162 ✭✭Dwag


    leg wax wrote: »
    just put down a fr heifer calf, just put her out yesterday with her pals, she broke her back leg in the fun, i knew it was going too well for legs.......

    Usually lose a few milking cows to broken bones here every year. Will be worse this year because drought means more housing...lost 4 to tetany a month ago and 2 so far to dislocated hips.

    I know this doesn't help much...but there's always someone in the same boat.


  • #2237
    yosemitesam1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,095 ✭✭✭yosemitesam1


    Dwag wrote: »
    It all points to too much oils/fats but they were on the same diet in Jan/feb and no bother.
    Yes soya is whole bean crimped and likewise the maize.

    Lol
    Can't buy soya meal...it wouldn't look good on PM...no meal bought here!!!


    Edit. Bought a load of spelt hulls. Cheap and an excellent source of fibre.

    Would they have been on a tmr in the leadup to Jan? It's probably the change in diet has the rumen bugs taking care of the oil at a slower pace if so...


  • #2238
    Keepgrowing
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    Dwag wrote: »
    Usually lose a few milking cows to broken bones here every year. Will be worse this year because drought means more housing...lost 4 to tetany a month ago and 2 so far to dislocated hips.

    I know this doesn't help much...but there's always someone in the same boat.

    Tetney FOUR???
    I presume herdsman got the gate?


  • #2239
    whelan2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,799 ✭✭✭✭whelan2


    Keepgrowing wrote: »
    Tetney FOUR???
    I presume herdsman got the gate?
    Milk recorder was telling me of 2 farmers who lost 2 last week with tetany


  • #2240
    Dwag
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 162 ✭✭Dwag


    Keepgrowing wrote: »
    Tetney FOUR???
    I presume herdsman got the gate?

    'Fraid not. Yours truly...

    Sudden dip to -5 without warning. 4 dead together. 4 decent high yielders to boot.


    Osr had much worse fall out...**** happens.



    Edit. Milker rang me at 5:30am to say that several cows were too lazy to get up....needless to say they were stone dead but shows the phuckwits I've to deal with.


  • #2241
    Dwag
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 162 ✭✭Dwag


    yosemitesam1 wrote: »
    Would they have been on a tmr in the leadup to Jan? It's probably the change in diet has the rumen bugs taking care of the oil at a slower pace if so...

    Always on some sort of tmr here...phuckin weather is causing extremes here this year.


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  • #2242
    blue5000
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    Dwag wrote: »
    'Fraid not. Yours truly...

    Sudden dip to -5 without warning. 4 dead together. 4 decent high yielders to boot.


    Osr had much worse fall out...**** happens.



    Edit. Milker rang me at 5:30am to say that several cows were too lazy to get up....needless to say they were stone dead but shows the phuckwits I've to deal with.

    You made me lol, welcome back. A robot would probably notice a dead cow quicker, hope your losses have stopped now.

    If the seat's wet, sit on yer hat, a cool head is better than a wet ar5e.



  • #2243
    Waffletraktor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,445 ✭✭✭Waffletraktor


    Dwag wrote: »
    '
    Sudden dip to -5 without warning.

    Osr had much worse fall out...**** happens.


    Froze the soft flowers/early pods?


  • #2244
    Dwag
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 162 ✭✭Dwag


    Waffletraktor wrote: »
    Froze the soft flowers/early pods?

    Turned them white and sterile...
    Hybrids hit much harder.

    I wouldn't be in any rush to offload any osr just yet.


  • #2245
    Waffletraktor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,445 ✭✭✭Waffletraktor


    Dwag wrote: »
    Waffletraktor wrote: »
    Froze the soft flowers/early pods?

    Turned them white and sterile...
    Hybrids hit much harder.

    I wouldn't be in any rush to offload any osr just yet.
    With it only growing outstandingly ordinary at best, the last 5 years it's dropping in area around here. Will see if these diamides seed coat can help before cutting more.


  • #2246
    Dwag
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 162 ✭✭Dwag


    Waffletraktor wrote: »
    With it only growing outstandingly ordinary at best, the last 5 years it's dropping in area around here. Will see if these diamides seed coat can help before cutting more.

    Pyrethroids not producing the same results as neonics?

    I took your advice from a few years back and stopped growing hybrids...we now dig into the ordinary seed heap and plant 60grains/m as cheaply as possible. If strike is good it gets herbicide, if not its a handy winter cover crop...

    No flea beetle or light leaf spot problems so one fungicide and lambda mid flowering and close the gate.
    4.4/ha last couple of years so best crop here now. However long that lasts.


  • #2247
    atlantic mist
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    just got a bill from vet for putting in a cows womb came to 215 euro:confused:

    is everyone paying something similar?


  • #2248
    whelan2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,799 ✭✭✭✭whelan2


    atlantic mist wrote: »
    just got a bill from vet for putting in a cows womb came to 215 euro:confused:

    is everyone paying something similar?

    What's the breakdown of the charge. Call out fee, drugs and labour?


  • #2249
    Water John
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    Glanbia milk was being shipped all over the place last week due to dryer down.


  • #2250
    visatorro
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    Water John wrote: »
    Glanbia milk was being shipped all over the place last week due to dryer down.

    According to my lorry man milk could be going anywhere. They all send to each other. My milk could be going to a different co-op who pay their suppliers more and vice versa.


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  • #2251
    whelan2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,799 ✭✭✭✭whelan2


    visatorro wrote: »
    According to my lorry man milk could be going anywhere. They all send to each other. My milk could be going to a different co-op who pay their suppliers more and vice versa.

    My milk goes to lough egish every day which is an hour away while the Drogheda plant is about 5minutes away. Go figure.


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