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razorblunt · 27-04-2017 09:40AM

Former Former wrote: »

Laidlaw is a decent player but he's not on the same level as the three who were picked, not even close.

If it weren't for his kicking I don't think he'd be anywhere near starting for Scotland, let alone go on a tour to NZ.

irishbucsfan · 27-04-2017 09:41AM

I don't think J Gray is next in line and I wouldn't be surprised if he's not even 2nd in line. There's a huge amount of competition amongst 2nd rows.

Similarly there are others who could be in line ahead of Watson, even our own Mr. Van Der Flier

Professor Moriarty · 27-04-2017 09:54AM

Burkie1203 wrote: »

Scotlands scrum got minced quite badly in the 6n. So Fagerson is a no.

Russell was pretty poor in the 6n and europe overall including a total choke on a DG v munster and a few really bad outings for Scotland.

Most of The others are not upgrades on anyone selected ahead of them so its much of a muchness.

Jonny Gray is the only one realistically who can feel hard done by.

You dont speak for everyone, just yourself because even the just and fair dont want to have you speak for them.

Great line. Voltaire/Hall would have been proud.

Clegg · 27-04-2017 10:59AM

Former Former wrote: »

Laidlaw is a decent player but he's not on the same level as the three who were picked, not even close.

I'm not sure about that.

Ben Youngs can be very, very dodgy.

Mr Tickle · 27-04-2017 12:14PM

Also Laidlaw would be a good senior player to have around from a leadership point of view. And he's emergency cover for 10 if you wanted to protect someone like sexton from the mid-week games.

27-04-2017 12:14PM

Mr Tickle wrote: »

Also Laidlaw would be a good senior player to have around from a leadership point of view. And he's emergency cover for 10 if you wanted to protect someone like sexton from the mid-week games.

Sexton won't be anywhere near the mid week games.

irishbucsfan · 27-04-2017 12:16PM

Laidlaw is a player I like a lot. I think he'd be more highly rated if he came from a stronger nation

Buer · 27-04-2017 12:20PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Sexton won't be anywhere near the mid week games.

He'll have to be. They're not going to have him just walk in to the test team without playing alongside his scrum half/midfield.

On the last tour he played in 4 non-test games. I'd expect similar this time.

aloooof · 27-04-2017 12:20PM

Lyra Long Drug wrote: »

fagerson 2 grays watson russell dunbar replace

sinckler henderson lawes moriarity biggar teo

I have read some good articles today about how russell and laidlaw are on the reserve list and how they are special players, the spin to dampen the backlash.

The names above are perfectly legitimate, the scots i have named above are equal in every facet to the touring lions named above.
And lets not talk about injuries, murray is named in the lions and is still suffering from his "stinger".

1. I do not speak for everybody, only the just and fair.
2. More south hemisphere players going on tour then scots, that is not the lions ethos and I fully expect by the time this tour is over the scots will have the last laugh. Scotland would have special connections with New Zealand, some say scottish immigrants made New Zealand what it is, and that makes the two picks especially disrespectful.
3. I am a very busy person and so patience is needed if waiting for a reply from me.

Patience is also needed when replying to you too...

27-04-2017 12:32PM

Buer wrote: »

He'll have to be. They're not going to have him just walk in to the test team without playing alongside his scrum half/midfield.

On the last tour he played in 4 non-test games. I'd expect similar this time.

Sure but when I think of mid week teams I think of the games that happen during the weeks of the weekend test matches so if fit Sexton will not tog out mid week for any of these I would imagine.

Mr Tickle · 27-04-2017 02:35PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Sexton won't be anywhere near the mid week games.

He shouldn't be anyway. I'm just saying that another point in Laidlaw's favor is that you could have him covering Biggar and not have to put Sexton or Farrell in harms way against a weaker side.

1eg0a3xv7b82of · 27-04-2017 07:16PM

i think i will call checkmate on the straw hat debate.
also too many posters attempting the wicker man theory and i that is worse.
The Scots have been wronged and no can excuse it.
Case Closed.

P.Walnuts · 27-04-2017 07:29PM

irishbucsfan · 27-04-2017 07:32PM

If the straw hat fits, the wicker man acquits.

Neil3030 · 27-04-2017 07:39PM

The Wicker Man by Iron Maiden is a quality tune.

1eg0a3xv7b82of · 27-04-2017 08:36PM

irishbucsfan wrote: »

If the straw hat fits, the wicker man acquits.

There has been no acquittal. The verdict is guilty of band wagon jumping.
I understand what Voltaire meant when he said "It is dangerous to be right in matters where established men are wrong".

stephen_n · 27-04-2017 10:20PM

Lyra Long Drug wrote: »

There has been no acquittal. The verdict is guilty of band wagon jumping.
I understand what Voltaire meant when he said "It is dangerous to be right in matters where established men are wrong".

Your opinion is 100% right, as all opinions are, your assessment of the selections is of course a different matter.

pickarooney · 28-04-2017 07:07AM

"Is it not shameful that the fanatic is so zealous while the wise man is not?" was another one.

bilston · 28-04-2017 07:55AM

razorblunt wrote: »

Former Former wrote: »

Laidlaw is a decent player but he's not on the same level as the three who were picked, not even close.

If it weren't for his kicking I don't think he'd be anywhere near starting for Scotland, let alone go on a tour to NZ.

Laidlaw is grand but I saw enough from Price in the 6Ns to think that with a bit more experience he could put pressure on Laidlaw in the not so distant future. His lack of experience hurts him at the moment obviously and glad a scrum half experience is important when it comes to decision making and game control.

razorblunt · 28-04-2017 09:12AM

bilston wrote: »

Laidlaw is grand but I saw enough from Price in the 6Ns to think that with a bit more experience he could put pressure on Laidlaw in the not so distant future. His lack of experience hurts him at the moment obviously and glad a scrum half experience is important when it comes to decision making and game control.

Yep I agree, Pyrgos has never really pushed on either and while he goes well for Glasgow on occasion he seems to freeze on the international scene.

Laidlaw's time at Gloucester wasn't a huge success, if Gregor takes the armband off him that could be the end of him starting.

P.Walnuts · 29-04-2017 03:51PM

Best better hope Gatland isn't watching at the Liberty, he's having an absolute mare

29-04-2017 03:52PM

P.Walnuts wrote: »

Best better hope Gatland isn't watching at the Liberty, he's having an absolute mare

Said the same thing in the match thread. It's like 4 years ago, he has a throwing melt down right before the tour. Must be a mental thing, lost his confidence on the last tour and it's all happening again.

Thelomen Toblackai · 29-04-2017 03:56PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Said the same thing in the match thread. It's like 4 years ago, he has a throwing melt down right before the tour. Must be a mental thing, lost his confidence on the last tour and it's all happening again.

2 bad throws and daggers are out.

P.Walnuts · 29-04-2017 03:57PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Said the same thing in the match thread. It's like 4 years ago, he has a throwing melt down right before the tour. Must be a mental thing, lost his confidence on the last tour and it's all happening again.

Bad missed tackle on Davies too for the second try

Hoping once he gets into camp he'll lose the jitters but like you've said there's a bit of deja vu about his form

29-04-2017 03:58PM

Thelomen Toblackai wrote: »

2 bad throws and daggers are out.

Daggers?

I'd love to see him starting for the Lions. He was my pick for captain before the announcement.

But his throwing fell apart before the last tour and it's been suspect this season for Ireland.

Bridge93 · 29-04-2017 09:13PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Daggers?

I'd love to see him starting for the Lions. He was my pick for captain before the announcement.

But his throwing fell apart before the last tour and it's been suspect this season for Ireland.

Did Ireland not have something like a 92% success rate in the lineout this year? I thought I saw someone say that at some point. Hardly that suspect

CIARAN_BOYLE · 30-04-2017 02:16PM

Bridge93 wrote: »

Did Ireland not have something like a 92% success rate in the lineout this year? I thought I saw someone say that at some point. Hardly that suspect

Definitely not in the six nations. Maybe in the AIs but definitely not in the 6 nations.

CMOTDibbler · 30-04-2017 02:29PM

CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: »

Definitely not in the six nations. Maybe in the AIs but definitely not in the 6 nations.

Definitely 92% in the 6N. Official stats say 67 from 73.

pickarooney · 30-04-2017 05:20PM

CMOTDibbler wrote: »

Definitely 92% in the 6N. Official stats say 67 from 73.

That's 6 in 2 games I think. I don't remember losing any against Italy, England or France.

thomond2006 · 30-04-2017 07:23PM

Per their odds this is PP's team for the first test:

Vunipola, Best, Furlong, AWJ, Itoje, Stander, Warburton, Vunipola
Murray, Sexton, Daly, Farrell, Henshaw, North, Hogg

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