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CMOTDibbler · 25-04-2017 08:51PM

Buer wrote: »

Am I the only one thinking €2.20 is a serious price for the New Ross Standard?!

I think it's a weekly.

sydthebeat · 25-04-2017 08:53PM

Buer wrote: »

Am I the only one thinking €2.20 is a serious price for the New Ross Standard?!

All local newspapers in my area are more expensive than the usual dailys

thomond2006 · 25-04-2017 10:45PM

Lyra Long Drug wrote: »

If Ireland had only 5 picks would you feel still feel the same. I could name 5 upcoming lions who could easily be replaced by scots.
We must all be honest and say the lions squad is unfair and because of this karma is coming in June.
The 2 scots named must be delighted but also uncomfortable with how their teammates and friends have been treated.

Of course I would feel the same and I certainly wouldn't expect players to refuse to tour. The players I'm sure would have liked more of their teammates there but they're professionals and will keep quiet and get on with it.

Have you named the Scots you wanted in the squad? Go ahead.

Erik Shin · 26-04-2017 05:19AM

http://www.skysports.com/share/10851074

Interesting, seems Premiership rugby are the ones calling the shots when it comes to the Lions ?

irishbucsfan · 26-04-2017 07:01AM

Erik Shin wrote: »

http://www.skysports.com/share/10851074

Interesting, seems Premiership rugby are the ones calling the shots when it comes to the Lions ?

Not according to them anyway

Ultimately it is up to the Lions how many games they put into the time frame, but we have a big interest in how players are managed through that.

26-04-2017 07:07AM

Erik Shin wrote: »

http://www.skysports.com/share/10851074

Interesting, seems Premiership rugby are the ones calling the shots when it comes to the Lions ?

Premiership rugby seem to try call the shots on just about everything going in the NH.

Erik Shin · 26-04-2017 07:49AM

irishbucsfan wrote: »

Not according to them anyway

Shorter timeframe means less games and the fact they are looking to include Currie Cup teams in a comp when the Pro 12 teams and more importantly, their broadcasters should be looking at this imo

Bazzo · 26-04-2017 07:56AM

Erik Shin wrote: »

Shorter timeframe means less games and the fact they are looking to include Currie Cup teams in a comp when the Pro 12 teams and more importantly, their broadcasters should be looking at this imo

The shorter tour is a consequence of the new calendar, not a decision by premiership rugby.

Buer · 26-04-2017 08:05AM

Regardless of who it comes from, the Lions tours need to be shorter. 10 games in such a short space of time is too intense. Yes, they've a decent sized squad but the front line players are going to end up playing a lot of games on that tour due to featuring in the tests and the management wanting them to gel and be match ready from the warm ups.

Sexton and North, for example, played 7 of the 10 games on the last tour. They're two players that really don't need that sort of schedule at the end of a season.

Unfortunately, if they reduce the tour, the knock on impact will be that the Lions have less preparation time. The likely outcome is that the coach will revert even more to tried and trusted and stick with the players he knows.

Erik Shin · 26-04-2017 08:12AM

Bazzo wrote: »

The shorter tour is a consequence of the new calendar, not a decision by premiership rugby.

Well, IBF thinks the same amount of games will be played? ...So it's only a shorter tour in timeframe, not games if he's correct?

irishbucsfan · 26-04-2017 08:14AM

Erik Shin wrote: »

Well, IBF thinks the same amount of games will be played? ...So it's only a shorter tour in timeframe, not games if he's correct?

Nope

OldRio · 26-04-2017 08:36AM

8 games instead of 10.

Alongside other changes.

More and more games. EPL teams to play against SA teams in a cup competition. NH v SH playoff games.

It seems the global calendar means just one thing to the EPL. An opportunity to make more cash.

irishbucsfan · 26-04-2017 08:43AM

OldRio wrote: »

8 games instead of 10.

Alongside other changes.

More and more games. EPL teams to play against SA teams in a cup competition. NH v SH playoff games.

It seems the global calendar means just one thing to the EPL. An opportunity to make more cash.

2nd string sides in the Anglo-Welsh cup. There's no indication that would make any money, it'd probably end up costing way more than it makes. Which is why I very much doubt it'll happen.

Sky Sports are just rumour mongering here and people are lapping it up. The only things McCafferty said in that article are things we already knew.

OldRio · 26-04-2017 08:59AM

irishbucsfan wrote: »

2nd string sides in the Anglo-Welsh cup. There's no indication that would make any money, it'd probably end up costing way more than it makes. Which is why I very much doubt it'll happen.

Sky Sports are just rumour mongering here and people are lapping it up. The only things McCafferty said in that article are things we already knew.

Sky Sports?
I read the report in the Telegraph.

irishbucsfan · 26-04-2017 09:03AM

OldRio wrote: »

Sky Sports?
I read the report in the Telegraph.

I'm talking about the article that was linked above and that others were discussing.

OldRio · 26-04-2017 09:17AM

irishbucsfan wrote: »

I'm talking about the article that was linked above and that others were discussing.

Therefore it's not Sky Sports 'rumour mongering'
Other news outlets reporting same.

irishbucsfan · 26-04-2017 09:24AM

OldRio wrote: »

Therefore it's not Sky Sports 'rumour mongering'
Other news outlets reporting same.

Maybe there's more than one outlet rumour mongering. But I was specifically referring to the way Sky Sports reported it which led people to think that Premiership Rugby are somehow calling the shots for the Lions, when the only quote from them is them saying "hopefully it will change".

aloooof · 26-04-2017 11:40AM

Lyra Long Drug wrote: »

If Ireland had only 5 picks would you feel still feel the same. I could name 5 upcoming lions who could easily be replaced by scots.
We must all be honest and say the lions squad is unfair and because of this karma is coming in June.
The 2 scots named must be delighted but also uncomfortable with how their teammates and friends have been treated.

1. You don't speak for everyone on this subject.
2. You're setting up a straw-man argument that, if the Lions lose the series, it'll be because they didn't pick more Scots. You won't know one way or the other if the inclusion of Scottish players would changed the result.

What Scots do you think should've gotten in the squad, and at the expense of who?

CMOTDibbler · 26-04-2017 11:55AM

aloooof wrote: »

1. You don't speak for everyone on this subject.
2. You're setting up a straw-man argument that, if the Lions lose the series, it'll be because they didn't pick more Scots. You won't know one way or the other if the inclusion of Scottish players would changed the result.

What Scots do you think should've gotten in the squad, and at the expense of who?

Been asked twice now and has ignored it. The clue to how to dael with this is in the previous sentence.

1eg0a3xv7b82of · 26-04-2017 11:37PM

fagerson 2 grays watson russell dunbar replace

sinckler henderson lawes moriarity biggar teo

I have read some good articles today about how russell and laidlaw are on the reserve list and how they are special players, the spin to dampen the backlash.

The names above are perfectly legitimate, the scots i have named above are equal in every facet to the touring lions named above.
And lets not talk about injuries, murray is named in the lions and is still suffering from his "stinger".

1. I do not speak for everybody, only the just and fair.
2. More south hemisphere players going on tour then scots, that is not the lions ethos and I fully expect by the time this tour is over the scots will have the last laugh. Scotland would have special connections with New Zealand, some say scottish immigrants made New Zealand what it is, and that makes the two picks especially disrespectful.
3. I am a very busy person and so patience is needed if waiting for a reply from me.

thomond2006 · 27-04-2017 12:15AM

Watson can't replace Moriarty. They are different positions. I'd have brought one of the Grays. No to Fagerson and Russell. Dunbar and Watson is a toss up.

The Scots not going won't "have the last laugh". They aren't getting paid.

27-04-2017 06:42AM

Kaino is an injury doubt for the tests apparently.

Christy42 · 27-04-2017 07:20AM

Lyra Long Drug wrote: »

fagerson 2 grays watson russell dunbar replace

sinckler henderson lawes moriarity biggar teo

I have read some good articles today about how russell and laidlaw are on the reserve list and how they are special players, the spin to dampen the backlash.

The names above are perfectly legitimate, the scots i have named above are equal in every facet to the touring lions named above.
And lets not talk about injuries, murray is named in the lions and is still suffering from his "stinger".

1. I do not speak for everybody, only the just and fair.
2. More south hemisphere players going on tour then scots, that is not the lions ethos and I fully expect by the time this tour is over the scots will have the last laugh. Scotland would have special connections with New Zealand, some say scottish immigrants made New Zealand what it is, and that makes the two picks especially disrespectful.
3. I am a very busy person and so patience is needed if waiting for a reply from me.

Russel over Biggar? Russell went to absolute pieces against England and similarly against Munster.

You don't get more picks because of Scottish immigrants. You get them because you are one of the best at your position in the UK and Ireland.

You can complain about sh born players if you like but them they tend not to be the reason for the lack of Scots. Murray needs gametime to keep his place on the plane according to Gatland. As in he needs to have recovered.

Burkie1203 · 27-04-2017 07:32AM

Lyra Long Drug wrote: »

fagerson 2 grays watson russell dunbar replace

sinckler henderson lawes moriarity biggar teo

I have read some good articles today about how russell and laidlaw are on the reserve list and how they are special players, the spin to dampen the backlash.

1. I do not speak for everybody, only the just and fair.

Scotlands scrum got minced quite badly in the 6n. So Fagerson is a no.

Russell was pretty poor in the 6n and europe overall including a total choke on a DG v munster and a few really bad outings for Scotland.

Most of The others are not upgrades on anyone selected ahead of them so its much of a muchness.

Jonny Gray is the only one realistically who can feel hard done by.

You dont speak for everyone, just yourself because even the just and fair dont want to have you speak for them.

1eg0a3xv7b82of · 27-04-2017 08:02AM

Nice to see straw hat logic being used to counter my post.
I was challenged to name 5 Scots and after naming them and who they should replace on the lions the argument back is those Scots are not good enough because of the English game.
Illogical thinking.

Buer · 27-04-2017 08:13AM

Lyra Long Drug wrote: »

fagerson.

Fagerson has no business being in the discussion. He was absolutely destroyed at the scrum in the 6N.

In relation to the Gray brothers, Johnny is hard done by. But there's a clear plan in terms of the locks that have been selected. They're all extremely mobile and flexible players who can play in the backrow too with the exception of AWJ who was a certain tourist. I believe Launchbury was omitted for the same reason. Whilst he has played 6 in the past, he simply doesn't have the speed over the ground and carrying that guys like Lawes and Henderson do.

Russell is a bit of a curate's egg. He had a couple of great games in the 6N. But he also had some shockers and can be extremely inconsistent as he has shown throughout his career. I wouldn't have brought Biggar given his poor form too but I'm not sure Russell should have been the man to go instead.

I think that Laidlaw is unlucky for the second tour in a row but he only appeared as a sub last weekend after barely playing 100 minutes in the 6N. That cannot have helped him at all.

Former Former · 27-04-2017 08:28AM

Laidlaw is a decent player but he's not on the same level as the three who were picked, not even close.

Christy42 · 27-04-2017 08:36AM

Lyra Long Drug wrote: »

Nice to see straw hat logic being used to counter my post.
I was challenged to name 5 Scots and after naming them and who they should replace on the lions the argument back is those Scots are not good enough because of the English game.
Illogical thinking.

Not really. The England game is an example of why they should not get picked but other games were mentioned. The end fact that they are not good enough is the big problem.

CMOTDibbler · 27-04-2017 09:38AM

razorblunt · 27-04-2017 09:39AM

Watson and J Gray are the two most hard done by, Gray more so.

Watson is unlucky he's competing with Warburton and Tipuric, he could yet make it on Tour though.

This is the first time I've heard Fagerson mentioned and I work with the most one-eyed, biased Jocks I've ever seen.

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