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Eir rural FTTH thread

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  • #5252
    The Cush
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,052 ✭✭✭✭The Cush


    vintagevrs wrote: »
    For FTTH I assume it's a fibre cable that goes into the modem, and if so how will they get this to this room which is upstairs in our house. Currently where the phoneline comes into the house, I think they used a pair in one of the network cables that's in that downstairs room to bring the line back up to the hotpress and install the faceplate there.

    Will they just put a new faceplate in the room where the line enters the house?

    Fibre direct to the ODP, short fibre cable to the ONT, network cable from there to the modem. I believe they will run a data cable up to 30m from the ONT if requested during the initial order.

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    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=95836349&postcount=594

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  • #5253
    Wombatman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,347 ✭✭✭Wombatman


    Wombatman wrote: »
    Same problem here. Also Admin console can be very slow to open at times.

    Last night I changed the wifi channels, disabled 5ghz and also used Google dns instead of Eirs. I also disabled the host wifi yesterday.

    No time to test fully last night but looked to have improved things with the wifi. Slow admin console load is annoying.

    No improvement. :mad:

    Anybody else have rubbish wifi performance over 2.5ghz and manage to fix it?


  • #5254
    Gonzo
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 17,411 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gonzo


    Wombatman wrote: »
    No improvement. :mad:

    Anybody else have rubbish wifi performance over 2.5ghz and manage to fix it?

    I've tried all wireless channels and no joy as well as turn off the 5g as none of my devices use it.

    Mobile performance continues to act very strange, when it works the speed is great but very intermittent. What's even more strange is the facebook app seems to work all the time. It's Speedtest.net and Twitch and other apps that take a while to respond before something happens. Then other times they work perfectly well. I don't get it. Friends of mine with FTTC have similar issues and are thinking of buying a new router.

    Wifi continues to work perfectly well on the ps4 and TV and laptop.


  • #5255
    Turfwarrior
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 46 ✭Turfwarrior


    After checking the NBP map I would like to know when the government painted the roof of my property blue? This is why the NBP is behind schedule, all the man hours it would have took to paint all them roofs so Eir know which direction to keep working....hope its not water based paint they used as it will have washed off by the time Eir get out here & will probably install fibre to a cow shed instead..least the livestock can keep an eye on what price they get slaughtered for!!! :))


  • #5256
    oleras
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,737 ✭✭✭oleras


    Pangea wrote: »
    First person in my neighbourhood got the fibre in, I see the line is carried along the outside wall, the same install Gonzo got .

    Clarina in Co.Limerick has it and driving past it the other day i noticed all installs seemed to be from pole to gable, this was just a passing observation, I wonder is it a speed thing on the installation side of things ?


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  • #5257
    oscarBravo
    Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 28,850 Mod ✭✭✭✭oscarBravo


    vintagevrs wrote: »
    On the install side of things I was wondering about this myself. My master socket currently is upstairs in the 'hotpress', although it's not an actual hotpress as no hot water tank in there. That is where I have a small node 0 type set up. All network cables from house go back to there, and I then have a few wireless routers providing wifi around the house.

    For FTTH I assume it's a fibre cable that goes into the modem, and if so how will they get this to this room which is upstairs in our house. Currently where the phoneline comes into the house, I think they used a pair in one of the network cables that's in that downstairs room to bring the line back up to the hotpress and install the faceplate there.

    Will they just put a new faceplate in the room where the line enters the house?

    As has been pointed out, it's fibre as far as the ONT, then copper to the router (I refuse to call it a modem!).

    If you have network cabling throughout your house, then you can get the ONT installed near one of the existing network points and use your own cabling to connect the ONT to the router in the "hotpress". Or, for that matter, leave the router near the ONT and use the network cabling from there to a simple Ethernet switch in the hotpress.

    If the house is properly cabled, your possibilities are endless. It depresses the hell out of me that almost no houses have useful cabling in them, even recently built ones.


  • #5258
    Johnboy1951
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,082 ✭✭✭✭Johnboy1951


    vintagevrs wrote: »
    That's some difference!


    On the install side of things I was wondering about this myself. My master socket currently is upstairs in the 'hotpress', although it's not an actual hotpress as no hot water tank in there. That is where I have a small node 0 type set up. All network cables from house go back to there, and I then have a few wireless routers providing wifi around the house.

    For FTTH I assume it's a fibre cable that goes into the modem, and if so how will they get this to this room which is upstairs in our house. Currently where the phoneline comes into the house, I think they used a pair in one of the network cables that's in that downstairs room to bring the line back up to the hotpress and install the faceplate there.

    Will they just put a new faceplate in the room where the line enters the house?

    It looks to me like you should be able to get the fibre brought into the attic and fed down into your hot/media press.
    In that way you will have power for the ONT unit the installer will fit, and can easily connect it to their modem/router and from there to the rest of the house.

    That would be what I would try to get in your situation.
    You might have to do some of the work in the attic, routing the fibre to the press.
    If you do make sure it is run well out of the way of any future traffic - you do not want a broken fibre cable in your attic sometime in the future. ;)


  • #5259
    vintagevrs
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,392 ✭✭✭vintagevrs


    Thanks for the replies. Yeah looks like I will not be stuck, just wasn't sure what way the thing would be installed and what hardware was involved. As mentioned I would expect the install teams to be working to get jobs closed off quickly rather than wiring they don't need to be at. The network cables are handy to have, so we put loads in when building and it cost next to nothing to do as it's easy at first fix. Run data/cctv/HDMI over them, but our crap ADSL speed restricts so much of the functionality in the house, Spotify struggles to stream even, so fast internet will be very nice when it comes.


  • #5260
    overtime
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 54 ✭✭overtime


    Don't think I've run as speed tests in one day before

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  • #5261
    Turfwarrior
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 46 ✭Turfwarrior


    overtime wrote: »
    Don't think I've run as speed tests in one day before

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    What exchange are you running off and approx how far are you from it?


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  • #5262
    chewed
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,434 ✭✭✭chewed


    I'm still confused as to where the actual fibre cable comes from outside the house! My house is about 15 years old so all the cabling is underground. When the eir guy comes, will he be accessing the cabling from the ESB box???


  • #5263
    The Cush
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,052 ✭✭✭✭The Cush


    chewed wrote: »
    When the eir guy comes, will he be accessing the cabling from the ESB box???

    No, through the existing telephone line duct to the external ETU box and from there into the house.


  • #5264
    MajesticDonkey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,213 ✭✭✭MajesticDonkey


    overtime wrote: »
    Don't think I've run as speed tests in one day before

    Don't forget, as Gonzo said, each time you do a speed test you're downloading around 500 MB of data, so be careful of your FUP!


  • #5265
    overtime
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 54 ✭✭overtime


    Turfwarrior wrote: »
    What exchange are you running off and approx how far are you from it?
    Kinvara - about 2 - 2.5km from the exchange


  • #5266
    overtime
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 54 ✭✭overtime


    MajesticDonkey wrote: »
    Don't forget, as Gonzo said, each time you do a speed test you're downloading around 500 MB of data, so be careful of your FUP!
    More like a 900MB to 1GB and that's only over wifi so not even hitting full speed on download, the faster it goes the more it uses


  • #5267
    chewed
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,434 ✭✭✭chewed


    The Cush wrote: »
    No, through the existing telephone line duct to the external ETU box and from there into the house.

    Ahh ok thanks. I was confused because I was hearing the fibre had nothing to do with the telephone line from others.


  • #5268
    The Cush
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,052 ✭✭✭✭The Cush


    chewed wrote: »
    Ahh ok thanks. I was confused because I was hearing the fibre had nothing to do with the telephone line from others.

    Other than sharing the same duct, where possible, there is no connection between the copper and fibre lines.


  • #5269
    Johnboy1951
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,082 ✭✭✭✭Johnboy1951


    The Cush wrote: »
    No, through the existing telephone line duct to the external ETU box and from there into the house.

    Do eir use an external ETU?
    I thought it was only Siro that did.
    chewed wrote: »
    Ahh ok thanks. I was confused because I was hearing the fibre had nothing to do with the telephone line from others.

    It has nothing to do with the telephone line (copper wire), but where possible it will use the same duct to get into the premises.


  • #5270
    The Cush
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,052 ✭✭✭✭The Cush


    Johnboy1951 wrote: »
    Do eir use an external ETU?
    I thought it was only Siro that did.l.

    The ETU is the small white box built into the wall during construction where the incoming telephone line is connected to the house wiring.


  • #5271
    Johnboy1951
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,082 ✭✭✭✭Johnboy1951


    The Cush wrote: »
    The ETU is the small white box built into the wall during construction where the incoming telephone line is connected to the house wiring.

    Ah, ok, that would be on newer builds, where the box is already fitted during the build.
    My phone line came into the building (built in the 80s) so is ducted to the inside.
    From descriptions posted this seems to be very common.
    Presumably coming in overhead would not use an ETU either (for the most part).


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  • #5272
    Bored Accountant
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 357 ✭✭Bored Accountant


    Gonzo wrote: »
    I've tried all wireless channels and no joy as well as turn off the 5g as none of my devices use it.

    Mobile performance continues to act very strange, when it works the speed is great but very intermittent.

    Try downloading an app called "Wifi Analyzer".
    Its good to see how stong your wireless signal is, what channel you are using, which channels would be better to be used!


  • #5273
    Gonzo
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 17,411 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gonzo


    Bored Accountant wrote: »
    Try downloading an app called "Wifi Analyzer".
    Its good to see how stong your wireless signal is, what channel you are using, which channels would be better to be used!

    I've tried that, it's showing a perfect wifi signal and no problems!

    what's happening on phones and tablets is it gets a full signal but just sometimes refuses to load information in most apps and has a spinning wheel loading icon for maybe 15 seconds, then loads everything. it's annoying and only seems to effect mobile devices, yet Facebook App loads all the time.

    PS4, TV and Sky box are all connected on wifi to same 2.4g signal and work fine. I am not the only one who has this issue with the F2000.


  • #5274
    oscarBravo
    Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 28,850 Mod ✭✭✭✭oscarBravo


    Bored Accountant wrote: »
    Try downloading an app called "Wifi Analyzer".
    Its good to see how stong your wireless signal is, what channel you are using, which channels would be better to be used!

    Bear in mind that WiFi Analyzer can only "see" WiFi signals. It can't see other sources of noise or interference on WiFi frequencies, like cordless phones or baby monitors or leaky microwave ovens or... You need a spectrum analyser for that, and they're not quite so easy to get your mitts on.

    Something else to keep in mind is that I've seen WiFi performance badly hit by errant LAN traffic, most notably from Sky Q boxes.


  • #5275
    Grumpypants
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,231 ✭✭✭Grumpypants


    overtime wrote: »
    More like a 900MB to 1GB and that's only over wifi so not even hitting full speed on download, the faster it goes the more it uses

    Yip, they have to get an average speed so need to download for a few seconds. So if you're downloading at 1gigabite per second (which is about 125 megabytes per second), and it runs for 3-5 seconds it could be 375-650 megabytes. then you need to upload so it will be pushing towards the 1gb for each speed test.


  • #5276
    overtime
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 54 ✭✭overtime


    Grumpypants wrote: »
    Yip, they have to get an average speed so need to download for a few seconds. So if your downloading at 1gigabite per second (which is about 125 megabytes per second), and it runs for 3-5 seconds it could be 375-650 megabytes. then you need to upload so it will be pushing towards the 1gb for each speed test.
    Getting results of 500-600 down and 94 up speed tests are averaging 950MB of data, so imagine it will well over 1GB - Will let you know when run some wired connections


  • #5277
    overtime
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 54 ✭✭overtime


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    This test used 1.63 GB of data; 1.45 GB for download and 180 MB for upload


  • #5278
    long_b
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,982 ✭✭✭long_b


    overtime wrote: »
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    This test used 1.63 GB of data; 1.45 GB for download and 180 MB for upload

    That's not even funny. That's 5% of what a "daily budget" would be.
    And I'll be running them like billyo

    Was that wired?


  • #5279
    overtime
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 54 ✭✭overtime


    long_b wrote: »
    That's not even funny. That's 5% of what a "daily budget" would be.
    And I'll be running them like billyo

    Was that wired?
    No it's over wifi. Actually having issues getting decent speeds on the wired connections - I think 350 was the best I've managed so far


  • #5280
    oscarBravo
    Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 28,850 Mod ✭✭✭✭oscarBravo


    long_b wrote: »
    And I'll be running them like billyo

    ...why?

    I don't get speedtest addiction. I can understand running a couple when you first get a fast connection until the novelty wears off; I can understand running one when you think there might be a problem with the connection.

    But a lot of people seem to run them recreationally. It's a bit like running your kitchen tap for ten minutes several times a day to see what the pressure is like: you're using a substantial amount of a shared resource for essentially no useful purpose.


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  • #5281
    long_b
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,982 ✭✭✭long_b


    oscarBravo wrote: »
    ...why?

    I don't get speedtest addiction. I can understand running a couple when you first get a fast connection until the novelty wears off; I can understand running one when you think there might be a problem with the connection.

    But a lot of people seem to run them recreationally. It's a bit like running your kitchen tap for ten minutes several times a day to see what the pressure is like: you're using a substantial amount of a shared resource for essentially no useful purpose.

    I'll be running them to test the performance of the new router vs my existing setup.

    And I'll be running them till the memory of all of the crappy results are replaced by a fixed maniacal grin


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