Dublin GAA Discussion Thread MOD WARNING POST #2944

gormdubhgorm · 24-04-2017 06:14PM

MayoAreMagic wrote: »

Agreed. It's not right. Personally, Id be of the mind that any lad who refuses to play for their club in a knockout championship game should be dropped from the county panel.

Or what about just accepting that inter-county lads are not going to play for thier clubs very often as a consequence of thier talent?

I know there is the 'do it for the Parrish' thing in the GAA.

But fellas can only play so many games, plus it before the biggest inter-county game at underage level - the last of its kind.

Would you want to get injured for that?

Plus most of the Dublin club games are mismatches anyway as another poster said.

It makes little sense to risk injury in a game like those.

In rugby it is accepted that the big names/internationals will not play for thier clubs and provinces in games.

But in the GAA the most talented club players are supposed to be superhuman fit, immune to injury and do it all for the love of the game.

Let's be honest. Those u21 fellas who did not play will not be remembered because they did not tog out for thier clubs.

They will be remembered for winning the last u21 inter-county football title.

A lot of them might never break the Senior inter-county team and it could be the peak of thier inter-county days.

I know it sounds great for a fella sitting on thier @rse typing a way having unrealistic expectations of players.

But I think the players are right and have thier priorities right.

To say anything else is purely idealistic and aspirational.

MayoAreMagic · 24-04-2017 06:38PM

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

Or what about just accepting that inter-county lads are not going to play for thier clubs very often as a consequence of thier talent?
I know there is the 'do it for the Parrish' thing in the GAA.
But fellas can only play so many games, plus it before the biggest inter-county game at underage level - the last of its kind.
Would you want to get injured for that?
Plus most of the Dublin club games are mismatches anyway as another poster said.
It makes little sense to risk injury in a game like those.
In rugby it is accepted that the big names/internationals will not play for thier clubs and provinces in games.
But in the GAA the most talented club players are supposed to be superhuman fit, immune to injury and do it all for the love of the game.
Let's be honest. Those u21 fellas who did not play will not be remembered because they did not tog out for thier clubs.
They will be remembered for winning the last u21 inter-county football title.
A lot of them might never break the Senior inter-county team and it could be the peak of thier inter-county days.
I know it sounds great for a fella sitting on thier @rse typing a way having unrealistic expectations of players.
But I think the players are right and have thier priorities right.
To say anything else is purely idealistic and aspirational.

Listen man, they dont have to be superhuman fit at all. They just have to tog out for their club in knockout championship matches, like they do in kilkenny for example. Fair enough, miss league games if needed, or even championship group stages, if they have any, but the championship knockout game is the most important game in the calender up to that point. If it wasnt for their club they wouldnt be in the county setup at all so a bit of perspective is needed here. They can get injured in training the very same. As for rugby, the irfu pay guys a wage, it isnt as black and white as you are trying to suggest.

As for this stuff about it being 'the last one ever', who cares? The medal they are trying to win is no different to the one any other u21 team before the has won.

Bonniedog · 24-04-2017 06:52PM

Bit conflicted on all of this. Firstly, I think players should be allowed play club if they wish. County managers should not have veto. Some of them -most of them I think - did play and one picked up a serious enough injury which will probably keep him out of final.

I am also old to recall when Dublin players played championship and even league games during inter county season. I remember seeing Vinnies with all their big names a week or two before a Leinster final in late 70s.

I can also appreciate Farrell's position but if DCB had postponed the games last week they would possibly have ended up having to play 3/4 games a week if seniors last until September. It is already mad enough situation that Dublin championships are put on 5 month hold without this.

MayoAreMagic · 24-04-2017 07:10PM

In fairness though, there should be no need to put it on hold for 5 months. It's not like they are going to be pushed in leinster, plus they can play during the week, which a lot of other counties cant do.

There is no need to make club football in the county suffer like that.

Ball In Towards · 25-04-2017 11:21AM

Apparently the Schutte bros aren't playing for Dublin this year...

Is there gonna be anyone bloody left?

http://www.98fm.com/DUBLIN-GAA:-Schutte-Brothers-Set-To-Opt-Out-Of-Dublin-Panel

Dyr · 25-04-2017 11:27AM

Ball In Towards wrote: »

Apparently the Schutte bros aren't playing for Dublin this year...

Is there gonna be anyone bloody left?

http://www.98fm.com/DUBLIN-GAA:-Schutte-Brothers-Set-To-Opt-Out-Of-Dublin-Panel

In fairness, county hurling is big commitment. I'd imagine it's hard to make it when the team set up is like a hospice for the managers career.

Bonniedog · 25-04-2017 12:02PM

Ball In Towards wrote: »

Apparently the Schutte bros aren't playing for Dublin this year...

Is there gonna be anyone bloody left?

http://www.98fm.com/DUBLIN-GAA:-Schutte-Brothers-Set-To-Opt-Out-Of-Dublin-Panel

Disaster. Really in free fall at this stage.

I assume GC will be gone at end of Summer but they will find it difficult to replace him with all of this stuff going on.

JRant · 25-04-2017 12:09PM

Bambi wrote: »

In fairness, county hurling is big commitment. I'd imagine it's hard to make it when the team set up is like a hospice for the managers career.

Add in that we'll probably be in the qualifiers before June even begins.

Hard to fathom what's going on with that panel at the moment. To lose one of our big players is unfortunate, losing 2 or more is downright careless.

How Soon Is Now · 25-04-2017 12:12PM

Any word on where the venue will be for Dublin's first championship game this year?

Last i checked there was no confirmed date or venue and its not that far away now!.

Bonniedog · 25-04-2017 12:15PM

JRant wrote: »

Add in that we'll probably be in the qualifiers before June even begins.

Hard to fathom what's going on with that panel at the moment. To lose one of our big players is unfortunate, losing 2 or more is downright careless.

Best hope this year as last is that the minors and 21s do well and leave something to build on. Seniors are lucky this year that there is no prospect of being relegated. Must be very demoralising for fellas like Rushie who have stuck to the task despite all the stuff going on.

Dyr · 25-04-2017 12:23PM

How Soon Is Now wrote: »

Any word on where the venue will be for Dublin's first championship game this year?

Last i checked there was no confirmed date or venue and its not that far away now!.

Tullamore the last weekend in May is it not?

JRant · 25-04-2017 12:24PM

How Soon Is Now wrote: »

Any word on where the venue will be for Dublin's first championship game this year?

Last i checked there was no confirmed date or venue and its not that far away now!.

May 28th is the date, not sure of the venue

JRant · 25-04-2017 12:28PM

Bonniedog wrote: »

Best hope this year as last is that the minors and 21s do well and leave something to build on. Seniors are lucky this year that there is no prospect of being relegated. Must be very demoralising for fellas like Rushie who have stuck to the task despite all the stuff going on.

Rushie was our standout player during the league as well.

The main problem is that the young lads coming through need a bit of experience in the team beside them. It's a huge step up from 21's to senior. The physicality along is like playing a different game altogether.

corny · 25-04-2017 12:30PM

Look on the bright side. We'll have 10+ good players rested and raring to go for 2018!

Bonniedog · 25-04-2017 12:37PM

corny wrote: »

Look on the bright side. We'll have 10+ good players rested and raring to go for 2018!

They might not get invited back.

How Soon Is Now · 25-04-2017 12:45PM

JRant wrote: »

May 28th is the date, not sure of the venue

Gaa.ie has the Leinster 1/4 finals down as

Saturday June 3rd - Sunday June 4th
Meath vs Louth / Wicklow
Kildare vs Laois / Longford in Tullamore
Dublin vs Carlow / Wexford all TBC.

The 4th game is Saturday 10th - 11th June
Offaly vs Westmeath in Tullamore.

Was it mentioned somewhere else about late May?

This is football by the way not hurling cause just seen the hurling is the end of May.

corny · 25-04-2017 04:12PM

Bonniedog wrote: »

They might not get invited back.

Whys that?

Bonniedog · 25-04-2017 04:42PM

corny wrote: »

Whys that?

Whoever succeeds GC might not want to have rebellious sailors!

There are precedents for that in other counties, as you know.

Look, I only hear second and third hand gossip so not claiming to be expert on it. As with all such situations there is right and wrong on both sides. Heard stuff that reflects not well on either.

As Dublin supporter for over 40 years and whose family members have played hurling for Dublin from 20s up to 70s and been involved in county team at other levels, I just think it is sad. Depressing actually.

JRant · 25-04-2017 06:19PM

Bonniedog wrote: »

Whoever succeeds GC might not want to have rebellious sailors!

There are precedents for that in other counties, as you know.

Look, I only hear second and third hand gossip so not claiming to be expert on it. As with all such situations there is right and wrong on both sides. Heard stuff that reflects not well on either.

As Dublin supporter for over 40 years and whose family members have played hurling for Dublin from 20s up to 70s and been involved in county team at other levels, I just think it is sad. Depressing actually.

That could certainly be the case but I would say a more level headed approach should be taken by whoever takes overs.

I fully appreciate that GC is not solely to blame for all of this but I can't for the life of me remember a similar fiasco happening in any other county that matches the scale of this one. We're talking about 4/5 of our top players walking away from the panel at different times. That's what makes this so unusual in my opinion.

The county board needs to have a root and branch review of exactly what has gone on and proceed from there. Until that happens I will hold station on what I really think.

corny · 25-04-2017 07:38PM

Bonniedog wrote: »

Whoever succeeds GC might not want to have rebellious sailors!

There are precedents for that in other counties, as you know.

Look, I only hear second and third hand gossip so not claiming to be expert on it. As with all such situations there is right and wrong on both sides. Heard stuff that reflects not well on either.

As Dublin supporter for over 40 years and whose family members have played hurling for Dublin from 20s up to 70s and been involved in county team at other levels, I just think it is sad. Depressing actually.

Such disagreements are never going to be amicable but i think we all know the root cause. You just have to look at how many people have fallen out, independent of one another, with Cunningham to gauge that. He's just too divisive.

Replaced by a man who realises bringing people with him is part of the job i wouldn't think there'd be a big danger of continued unrest.

JRant · 25-04-2017 08:21PM

corny wrote: »

Such disagreements are never going to be amicable but i think we all know the root cause. You just have to look at how many people have fallen out, independent of one another, with Cunningham to gauge that. He's just too divisive.

Replaced by a man who realises bringing people with him is part of the job i wouldn't think there'd be a big danger of continued unrest.

I've never seen anything like this happening before. If we're being completely honest the county board should really have stepped in at this stage. Allowing a situation like this to develop is on their shoulders IMO.

Bonniedog · 25-04-2017 08:39PM

You may be certain that the footballers would not have been allowed to descend into such a farce. Lots of factors, not entirely honourable, to explain that.

Presumably he will be gone by mid Summer and hopefully something can be salvaged. Can't see anyone kicking the door down to replace him! Then again it was Tommy Naughton who pulled out balls out of the fire after the disasters that nearly destroyed Dublin hurling ten years ago. Time for another Dub perhaps rather than an outside "name." ???

JRant · 25-04-2017 09:43PM

Bonniedog wrote: »

You may be certain that the footballers would not have been allowed to descend into such a farce. Lots of factors, not entirely honourable, to explain that.

Presumably he will be gone by mid Summer and hopefully something can be salvaged. Can't see anyone kicking the door down to replace him! Then again it was Tommy Naughton who pulled out balls out of the fire after the disasters that nearly destroyed Dublin hurling ten years ago. Time for another Dub perhaps rather than an outside "name." ???

I think we could well be surprised on who would want to take over. There's a good panel there and lots of talent coming through. Plus the setup and facilities would entice a good manager in.

Bonniedog · 26-04-2017 12:13AM

Well I reckon they should go with the underage management. Let them take over and retain Stakelum and some others from current set up. Rumours that Daly would come back but really need to be realistic at this stage. There are great prospects coming through so needs someone in Dublin full time to oversee that. Not someone who comes up twice a week and for matches and is relying on second hand information on club games. Who else does that?

Would DCB look for outsider as football manager? They would in their boll1x! No self respecting county does anymore.

Don't mean outsider as non Dub by the way. Lots of brilliant people from outside county involved with county teams. I mean someone living in the county. Seeing club games, not like some CEO jetting in for the weekend.

Shaungoater · 26-04-2017 02:34PM

I can see more hammerings being handed out with the draw for the Senior. More mismatches.

Really need a 16 team senior champ at this stage. The disparity between the top and bottom is too great.

As for the intermediate, it is the same there. Only the 'superclubs' who have an array of teams can genuinely win the Juniors it seems. Only Man O war left already who will probably go on to represent Dublin in Leinster. THis is after one round. Think they might have to playoff with Crumlin if they don't win their next game though as they had a preliminary game.

Its scary to think there are Div 5 teams in intermediate and Junior B. Massive gulf. But with no promotions or relegations happening the last few years it will continue for a while

Past30Now · 26-04-2017 02:58PM

Shaungoater wrote: »

I can see more hammerings being handed out with the draw for the Senior. More mismatches.

Really need a 16 team senior champ at this stage. The disparity between the top and bottom is too great.

SOPER vs Castleknock - maybe a repeat of last years shock first round result. Be lucky to get within five points if we play like we did against Templeogue.

Kilmacud and Ballymun are unlikely to be tested. Vincents vs Na Fianna is probably the tie of the round.

Completely agree on splitting the championship into two. My thoughts (not original) would be four groups of four round robin, with top two into quarterfinals, and bottom two into relegation quarter finals. Two teams promoted and demoted each year. Wouldn't allow B teams into Senior B championship.

Would also consider linking place in Senior Championship to league position in order to increase the value of league position (similar to the winner of the Europa League getting into Champions League). Not certain how that would work, but if we are going to be making significant changes to the championship, then we may as well try to kill a few birds with the one stone.

Deciding which 16 teams no longer qualify for the senior championship is above my pay grade:)

Tombo2001 · 26-04-2017 04:02PM

Bonniedog wrote: »

Whoever succeeds GC might not want to have rebellious sailors!

There are precedents for that in other counties, as you know.

Look, I only hear second and third hand gossip so not claiming to be expert on it. As with all such situations there is right and wrong on both sides. Heard stuff that reflects not well on either.

As Dublin supporter for over 40 years and whose family members have played hurling for Dublin from 20s up to 70s and been involved in county team at other levels, I just think it is sad. Depressing actually.

Yes, these things are rarely clearcut.

Players obviously have the power - but for me the difference between here and a Cork or Waterford or Galway situation is that there is no Donal Og or Diarmuid O'Sullivan in the group that you can say that is an untouchable, in terms of earning the right to have their opinion heard.

Broader view of Dublin - the county has won 4 of the last 10 all Irelands, and has AI club champions. The facilities and supports are strong. The county team should be Top 3, or at least Top 5.

Bonniedog · 27-04-2017 12:56AM

Anyone got DCB email about PP pass yet? Was supposed to before weekend,

Billy Mays · 27-04-2017 09:02AM

http://www.dublingaa.ie/news/parnell-pass-renewal-information

bren2001 · 27-04-2017 09:02AM

Bonniedog wrote: »

Anyone got DCB email about PP pass yet? Was supposed to before weekend,

There's the info:

http://www.dublingaa.ie/news/parnell-pass-renewal-information

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