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Eir rural FTTH thread

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  • #5192
    pegasus1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,490 ✭✭✭pegasus1


    overtime wrote: »
    Is that not up €100 per month?
    FTTC is up to €100

    FTTH is up to €50
    maybe I'm wrong


  • #5193
    T-Bird
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,345 ✭✭✭T-Bird


    Received a letter to the household today from eir regarding the new broadband. Unlimited is plastered all over it.

    Miniscule print where a flea would need a magnifying glass to read states "fair usage policy applies. Visit eir.ie for more info".

    No direct link, tiny wording on a black background. No asterisk sign next to unlimited wording and no direct link to policy.

    To me that's false advertising that should be brought to the attention of the regulator.


  • #5194
    Gonzo
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 17,411 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gonzo


    it really doesn't make sense that someone on 1meg ADSL has the same download allowance as someone on 100 FTTC and 1000 on FTTH.

    The 'unlimited' plans we all knew about the FUP, but the website update over the weekend really gave hope, almost proof that there is no more fair usage policy. Even if they just allow the 1000 to be fully unlimited, that would be good enough for me. I would hate to pay a cent more for going over the limit, but would be perfectly happy going with the top tier 1000 package in order to gain true unlimited.

    Having said that, it's actually hard enough to go past 1tb per month but the point is the freedom that no usage policy gives. I log in several times a day just to check my usage and it's 24 hours behind and I've no idea if my monthly usage is counted from the last day of the month or is it from the middle of each month when the account was setup.


  • #5195
    The Cush
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,052 ✭✭✭✭The Cush


    pegasus1 wrote: »
    FTTC is up to €100

    FTTH is up to €50
    maybe I'm wrong

    Any of the unlimited download packages (FTTC/FTTH) €100 max per month
    Limited download options e.g. 10GB, 30GB packages €24.40 max per month
    The additional charge for excess usage is €2.03 per GB (€1.65 ex. VAT) up to a maximum of €24.40 (inc. VAT) per month. eFibre packages with unlimited usage are subject to a Fair Usage policy of 1TB per month. Usage is excess of 1TB will be charged at €2.50 (inc. VAT) for every 10 GB up
    to maximum of €100 (inc. VAT) per month.


  • #5196
    daraghwal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 948 ✭✭✭daraghwal


    The Cush wrote: »
    This from eir's pricing document
    Still doesn't mention fibre extreme FTTH or whatever they're calling it now. Just efibre which is their branding for FTTC? Given the amount of places that it says unlimited on the website for FTTH, surely if someone was billed for going over the 1 TB FUP they could dispute it citing all the false (true?) info on the website about it being unlimited.


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  • #5197
    The Cush
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,052 ✭✭✭✭The Cush


    daraghwal wrote: »
    Still doesn't mention fibre extreme FTTH or whatever they're calling it now. Just efibre which is their branding for FTTC?

    Their fibre extreme is* branded as "eir Fibre Extreme", eir Fibre was a rebranding of eFibre (FTTC/FTTH) when they rebranded eircom to eir.

    Edit: * I should have said was, as it appears they have rebranded it again to "1000MB Fibre to the Home" but the documentation hasn't caught up yet.


  • #5198
    Gonzo
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 17,411 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gonzo


    The Cush wrote: »
    Their fibre extreme is* branded as "eir Fibre Extreme", eir Fibre was a rebranding of eFibre (FTTC/FTTH) when they rebranded eircom to eir.

    Edit: * I should have said was, as it appears they have rebranded it again to "1000MB Fibre to the Home" but the documentation hasn't caught up yet.

    This weekends update is certainly causing even more confusion than before with regards to the FUP. The Eir Fibre Extreme page no longer exists and is now called 1000mb Fibre To The Home.

    However on https://www.eir.ie/broadband/ it's still referred to as Eir Fibre Extreme.

    All references of the 1000mb package now clearly states that is absolutely no usage limits. It's like as if there is a half finished website update.


  • #5199
    vintagevrs
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,392 ✭✭✭vintagevrs


    Was reading some of the comments about 1tb per month thinking what the hell do ye be at to hit that. We currently have a 1mb/128k connection that is on the list for FTTH.

    Quick google though says that 4k Netflix will eat 30Gb per hour so an hour of Netflix per evening will soon be up on 900Gb. Crazy numbers compared with what we have at the minute.

    That FUP too doesn't sound anything like the FUP of old though where you were still technically unlimited but they would throttle your connection if you were abusing, which made sense for other users. As in, an actual policy that keeps the usage on the network somewhat "fair".

    That 1Tb is simply a usage allowance, so it's not unlimited at all. Not sure how they can say 1Tb is unlimited.


  • #5200
    rob808
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,391 ✭✭✭rob808


    vintagevrs wrote: »
    Was reading some of the comments about 1tb per month thinking what the hell do ye be at to hit that. We currently have a 1mb/128k connection that is on the list for FTTH.

    Quick google though says that 4k Netflix will eat 30Gb per hour so an hour of Netflix per evening will soon be up on 900Gb. Crazy numbers compared with what we have at the minute.

    That FUP too doesn't sound anything like the FUP of old though where you were still technically unlimited but they would throttle your connection if you were abusing, which made sense for other users. As in, an actual policy that keeps the usage on the network somewhat "fair".

    That 1Tb is simply a usage allowance, so it's not unlimited at all. Not sure how they can say 1Tb is unlimited.
    Well you could go with pure telecom there broadband unlimited can't see any FUP on there website.


  • #5201
    The Cush
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,052 ✭✭✭✭The Cush


    vintagevrs wrote: »
    That 1Tb is simply a usage allowance, so it's not unlimited at all. Not sure how they can say 1Tb is unlimited.

    It's certainly confusing but they are selling it as an unlimited package, as against other packages with monthly download/upload limits of 10, 30 GBs etc. per month for example, but with a fair usage policy of 1TB per month.


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  • #5202
    daraghwal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 948 ✭✭✭daraghwal


    rob808 wrote: »
    Well you could go with pure telecom there broadband unlimited can't see any FUP on there website.

    Their FUP is 1 TB. I emailed them about it. It was only brought up from 500 GB to 1 TB in the last few weeks.


  • #5203
    niallb
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,775 ✭✭✭niallb


    Seeing as we've established that the Fair Usage Policy is probably the same for fiber as it is for ADSL and FTTC,
    can we get the FUPping discussion out of here and into its own thread as it's not FTTH specific?


  • #5204
    The Cush
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,052 ✭✭✭✭The Cush


    niallb wrote: »
    can we get the FUPping discussion out of here and into its own thread as it's not FTTH specific?

    can we not have a few posts in support of those struggling on their up to 1,000 meg FTTH packages :D


  • #5205
    Turfwarrior
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 46 ✭Turfwarrior


    Hi, I am on eir's ftth rollout but when I check the date on open air with eircode it says fiber available first half of 2017 but I have checked a few neighbours with their eircode and it says available summer 2018???? I live in a rural location outside maynooth and the fiber line would pass my neighbours before me,I have tried contacting eir to no avail. The poles have been changed but I haven't noticed any splitters or van crews. I am been upgraded to imagines LTE but its an 18 month contract which I don't want to get stuck in if ftth becomes available in the near future. Is there anyway of valaditing these available dates?


  • #5206
    ACLFC7
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 290 ✭✭ACLFC7


    Turfwarrior wrote: »
    Hi, I am on eir's ftth rollout but when I check the date on open air with eircode it says fiber available first half of 2017 but I have checked a few neighbours with their eircode and it says available summer 2018???? I live in a rural location outside maynooth and the fiber line would pass my neighbours before me,I have tried contacting eir to no avail. The poles have been changed but I haven't noticed any splitters or van crews. I am been upgraded to imagines LTE but its an 18 month contract which I don't want to get stuck in if ftth becomes available in the near future. Is there anyway of valaditing these available dates?

    There's no way of validating the dates. Sometimes Eir are ahead of schedule and other times they're behind, meaning dates get pushed back.


  • #5207
    rob808
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,391 ✭✭✭rob808


    Turfwarrior wrote: »
    Hi, I am on eir's ftth rollout but when I check the date on open air with eircode it says fiber available first half of 2017 but I have checked a few neighbours with their eircode and it says available summer 2018???? I live in a rural location outside maynooth and the fiber line would pass my neighbours before me,I have tried contacting eir to no avail. The poles have been changed but I haven't noticed any splitters or van crews. I am been upgraded to imagines LTE but its an 18 month contract which I don't want to get stuck in if ftth becomes available in the near future. Is there anyway of valaditing these available dates?
    Hi you can get out of your imagine LTE contract you just pay €100.


  • #5208
    Turfwarrior
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 46 ✭Turfwarrior


    rob808 wrote: »
    Hi you can get out of your imagine LTE contract you just pay €100.

    Thanks rob, I didn't know that. I will confirm it with them tomorrow. Which of these ftth dates is valid? Where are yes getting dates for certain tings going live in early may? I am hot spotting my phone at the no & taking ages to load these pages & reply...imagine killed the wimax service when they switched on theirlte and have had a horrid experience with their wimax,swore I would give them the boot the minute something else came along..this 1gig that eir are rolling out would get a very warm welcome here!! How do you know if it will be ftth or fttc being made available?


  • #5209
    rob808
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,391 ✭✭✭rob808


    Turfwarrior wrote: »
    Thanks rob, I didn't know that. I will confirm it with them tomorrow. Which of these ftth dates is valid? Where are yes getting dates for certain tings going live in early may? I am hot spotting my phone at the no & taking ages to load these pages & reply...imagine killed the wimax service when they switched on theirlte and have had a horrid experience with their wimax,swore I would give them the boot the minute something else came along..this 1gig that eir are rolling out would get a very warm welcome here!! How do you know if it will be ftth or fttc being made available?
    It should be FTTH because FTTC only work upto 2km your area down for spring/summer 2017 the dates can change mine got push back twice I'm down for Autumn 2017.


  • #5210
    Turfwarrior
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 46 ✭Turfwarrior


    rob808 wrote: »
    It should be FTTH because FTTC only work upto 2km your area down for spring/summer 2017 the dates can change mine got push back twice I'm down for Autumn 2017.

    It can't come soon enough!! Living in the dark ages here. Could they possibly install a cabinet rurally & then be able to serve 4km radius?


  • #5211
    rob808
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,391 ✭✭✭rob808


    Turfwarrior wrote: »
    It can't come soon enough!! Living in the dark ages here. Could they possibly install a cabinet rurally & then be able to serve 4km radius?
    I know the feeling can't wait for Autumn to come downloading a game on my 4mb DSL connection.


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  • #5212
    Turfwarrior
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 46 ✭Turfwarrior


    rob808 wrote: »
    I know the feeling can't wait for Autumn to come downloading a game on my 4mb DSL connection.

    4mg lined connection I could live with until FTTH!!


  • #5213
    The Cush
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,052 ✭✭✭✭The Cush


    Turfwarrior wrote: »
    Could they possibly install a cabinet rurally & then be able to serve 4km radius?

    That could happen, see point 4 in the quoted text - http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=103136977&postcount=4517


  • #5214
    ED E
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,170 ✭✭✭✭ED E


    We havent seen them do it yet but its the big upside to their single vendor setup, its rather trivial to mix and match LTs to match demand/dwelling patterns in each area.


  • #5215
    Turfwarrior
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 46 ✭Turfwarrior


    ED E wrote: »
    We havent seen them do it yet but its the big upside to their single vendor setup, its rather trivial to mix and match LTs to match demand/dwelling patterns in each area.

    I have a feeling they are going to do something like that as I live at a T junction and am lucky enough to have the hallowed blue circle around my property but the rollout stops in two directions after me, 1 within 50mtrs & the other within 600mtrs so it is coming out being fed from direction 3 but there is 5 properties around 1 km in that direction heading back into the town which aren't light blue & they are roadside dwellings not up long lanes or anything.there rollout map doesn't make sense to unless they are deploying a cabinet in the area which would mean FTTC


  • #5216
    Turfwarrior
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 46 ✭Turfwarrior


    The Cush wrote: »
    That could happen, see point 4 in the quoted text - http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=103136977&postcount=4517

    Thanks for the link..I did go through this thread about 20 pages previous but my phone was overheating!!! I will melt it if I ever get FTTH!


  • #5217
    Jpmarn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,498 ✭✭✭Jpmarn


    There was a lot of discussion on fair usage policies and the possible 1 TB per month usage limit. Does this apply to TV streaming services such as EirTV or Vodafone TV?


  • #5218
    long_b
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,982 ✭✭✭long_b


    Jpmarn wrote: »
    There was a lot of discussion on fair usage policies and the possible 1 TB per month usage limit. Does this apply to TV streaming services such as EirTV or Vodafone TV?

    Data used by EirTV does not get included in your usage.
    I'd imagine any other TV streaming would come under your normal usage.


  • #5219
    Jpmarn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,498 ✭✭✭Jpmarn


    Does anyone know the carrying capacity of trunk fibre cables? I am seeing a slim fibre cable on poles not too far away from an exchange with 3 multicore copper cables underneath. Could the cable be carrying data to up to about 200 premises? Will contention be an issue in places in the future?


  • #5220
    Gonzo
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 17,411 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gonzo


    long_b wrote: »
    Data used by EirTV does not get included in your usage.
    I'd imagine any other TV streaming would come under your normal usage.

    yep, Eir Tv is completely seperate from the actual internet service even tho it is powered by Eir broadband.

    All other streaming services such as Netflix, Sky, WWE, Youtube, Twitch and Hulu would be part of normal usage.


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  • #5221
    Tom Mann Centuria
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,290 ✭✭✭✭Tom Mann Centuria


    Sorry for my irrelevant updates, but I FINALLY have my broadband. Kn came out this morning, so thanks to the tech support who actually got things moving after hours of calls. Fault was from something that had been done whilst installing elsewhere (they said any way). They didn't do anything inside my house.

    It's fantastic. Good luck to everyone who gets theirs, it really is unbelievable we get these speeds out here in the arse end of nowhere.

    Oh well, give me an easy life and a peaceful death.



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