Drinking in pregnancy...

22-04-2017 10:11PM

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

The day men will be told to avoid drink and the likes for the nine months of their partner/wife's pregnancy is the day I will take notice of the "pregnancy rules".

Everyone knows that doing things that might harm the baby is not good. It is the absence of the same rules for the same time for the Dad that is a laugh. Should be a blood test for both at the antenatal classes/scans. Can you imagine.

This makes no sense

22-04-2017 10:18PM

gctest50 wrote: »

It does

Fathers drinking all along before conception can affect the fetus

Cognitive and behavioral findings are the most robust effects. These include learning and memory deficits, hyperactivity, and poor stress tolerance. Multiple causal mechanisms for a paternal effect have been suggested, but none seems satisfactory to explain all findings.

This makes even less sense. Before conception?

The other poster I was responding to said during pregnancy.

gctest50 · 22-04-2017 10:24PM

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

The day men will be told to avoid drink and the likes for the nine months of their partner/wife's pregnancy is the day ...........

Men should avoid it before they get their partner pregnant apparently :

http://www.ajsc.us/files/ajsc0030217.pdf

Effects of environmental exposure on parental epigenetics: alcohol

Epigenetic mechanisms play a role in fetal alcohol spectrum disorders (FASDs) FASDs are a broad array of congenital disorders with major symptoms including reduced birth weight, impaired cognitive function and behavior, and neuropsychological deficits in visualspatial learning [35]. Studies have shown that paternal alcohol consumption has epigenetic effects on sperm DNA, suggesting a role in the development of congenital disorders in offspring. Up to 75% of children with FASD have biological fathers who are alcoholics, suggesting that preconceptional paternal alcohol consumption negatively impacts their offspring]

22-04-2017 10:25PM

gctest50 wrote: »

Yip, if you are drinking all along and you then get your gf / wife pregnant - your little drinking pastime can/will have an effect on the kid

And obviously on future generations

Ok, probably for a seperate thread? This one is for drinking during pregnancy.

Start a new thread with your validated research. I'm sure many would find it interesting.

rainbow kirby · 22-04-2017 10:35PM

Romantic Rose wrote: »

Ugh reminds me when I was going to the Coombe when I was pregnant with my first child and there would be pregnant ladies outside huffing and puffing the cigs while guzzling their big bottles of coke.

I don't think it should be hard to cut cigarettes or alcohol and junk food out for 9 months but people are selfish.

You can still have 200mg of caffeine a day when pregnant, a can of Coke is only 32mg of caffeine.

Romantic Rose · 22-04-2017 10:43PM

rainbow kirby wrote: »

You can still have 200mg of caffeine a day when pregnant, a can of Coke is only 32mg of caffeine.

I was referring to the sugar in coke more than the caffeine! Hardly a healthy combo- cigarettes and coke.

A_Sober_Paddy · 22-04-2017 11:03PM

rainbow kirby wrote: »

You can still have 200mg of caffeine a day when pregnant, a can of Coke is only 32mg of caffeine.

That seems like a lot of caffeine

Beyondgone · 22-04-2017 11:15PM

Pffft..if it wasn't for drink, there'd be feck all pregnancy to begin with. More people have been conceived because their parents were on the beer than ever were wrung into existence through "planning". Herself wouldn't let me near her unless she'd had at least 3/4 of a skinfull. I encourage her to drink as much as is humanly possible. She doesn't even like drink..

rainbow kirby · 22-04-2017 11:15PM

Considering a Costa americano is 170mg it isn't really! I'm a huge coffee drinker and found cutting that down when I was pregnant with my son way harder than cutting out booze.

Mrs OBumble · 23-04-2017 01:36AM

andekwarhola wrote: »

You've never met a moderate Irish drinker in your life?

My idea of a moderate drinker is someone who you can meet for one drink - and they just have one drink. Not two, three, five etc.

I've met plenty of Irish people who abstain totally. I've never met any who stop at one.

ted1 · 23-04-2017 02:08AM

murpho999 wrote: »

Anybody who drinks any alcohol during pregnancy is stupid, selfish and ignorant.

Alcohol goes straight into the bloodstream and therefore straight to the baby.

It's very simple.

Lived in Netherlands for years and never seen any expectant mother drink any alcohol ever, it's just not done.

Why is it different here?

A little is ok, Ask any Doctor.

23-04-2017 02:33AM

Mrs OBumble wrote: »

My idea of a moderate drinker is someone who you can meet for one drink - and they just have one drink. Not two, three, five etc.

I've met plenty of Irish people who abstain totally. I've never met any who stop at one.

I often have just one drink.

Junkyard Tom · 23-04-2017 02:53AM

Mi muthr drunk loads wen she wus pergnant an ut dud me no harm.

Tigger · 23-04-2017 03:01AM

RoboKlopp wrote: »

This makes even less sense. Before conception?

The other poster I was responding to said during pregnancy.

I quit drink for three months and ate very healthy before we conceived to make sure my sperms were as good as possaible
She ate well and the idea of her drinking is laughable

the_syco · 23-04-2017 03:20AM

Does it mention demographics?

Cloudio9 wrote: »

Ten years ago I was in a Dublin maternity hospital with my wife for an appointment and the doctor said having an occasional drink like a glass of wine is fine.

Some people are unable to just have "one" whilst pregnant, as they are weak.

IvyTheTerrible · 23-04-2017 05:41AM

Lia_lia wrote: »

I often have just one drink.

Me too.

JupiterKid · 23-04-2017 05:56AM

The occasional glass of wine now and then during pregnancy is going to be fine. Binge drinking and alcoholic drinking during pregnancy is what causes FAS and other damage.

This is health fascism gone mad. Should we lock up pregnant women to ensure they abstain from drinking completely?

Graces7 · 23-04-2017 06:38AM

Sam Kade wrote: »

I wonder how many of the do gooders in this thread support abortion?

Really? No way. What a snide comment and of what relevance to this topic?

Graces7 · 23-04-2017 06:41AM

ted1 wrote: »

A little is ok, Ask any Doctor.

Problem with that is that the most recent research says otherwise and also it is a sheer lottery what effect it has on the unborn.

Alcohol is toxic. Would you feed a baby alcohol after birth? I doubt it.

Graces7 · 23-04-2017 06:43AM

JupiterKid wrote: »

The occasional glass of wine now and then during pregnancy is going to be fine. Binge drinking and alcoholic drinking during pregnancy is what causes FAS and other damage.

This is health fascism gone mad. Should we lock up pregnant women to ensure they abstain from drinking completely?

Well should we? Not fascism.

Graces7 · 23-04-2017 06:47AM

Mrs OBumble wrote: »

Has any study ever observed an Irish person who is capable of drinking moderately? I've never met one.

]Personally I blame moderate fetal alcohol damage for a lot of the ****wittery we observe in public life here, FAS diagnosis or not.

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Indeed yes. We see that in Canada too. Diagnosis is hard and when it affects behaviour it makes it harder. Looking at some of the more recent court cases re teenagers ?

Cannot see why folk object so strongly. If quitting drinking is so hard for them they have a serious problem. They really do.

23-04-2017 07:13AM

JupiterKid wrote: »

The occasional glass of wine now and then during pregnancy is going to be fine. Binge drinking and alcoholic drinking during pregnancy is what causes FAS and other damage.

This is health fascism gone mad. Should we lock up pregnant women to ensure they abstain from drinking completely?

Not good advice

SettlePettal · 23-04-2017 07:54AM

My doctor told me to have the odd glass of wine if i wanted. That was a year ago. So i did, was he to be reported? If you can't trust your doctor then who do you trust? People of boards, new ever changing research?

All these comments calling women names, calling ME names. Selfish, disgusting ect. People are just awful.

23-04-2017 08:13AM

SettlePettal wrote: »

My doctor told me to have the odd glass of wine if i wanted. That was a year ago. So i did, was he to be reported? If you can't trust your doctor then who do you trust? People of boards, new ever changing research?

All these comments calling women names, calling ME names. Selfish, disgusting ect. People are just awful.

Aren't people just quoting medical research which is always ongoing?

Current research says drinking alcohol (even in small amounts) during pregnancy is risky and should be avoided. Pretty clear cut tbh.

SettlePettal · 23-04-2017 08:19AM

RoboKlopp wrote: »

Aren't people just quoting medical research which is always ongoing?

Current research says alcohol (even in small amounts) is risky and should be avoided. Pretty clear cut tbh.

Totally conflicting advice from doctors all over the internet. It's not pretty clear cut, what are you talking about. How is it clear cut when GPs advise one glass is fine.

pickarooney · 23-04-2017 09:48AM

Junkyard Tom wrote: »

Mi muthr drunk loads wen she wus pergnant an ut dud me no harm.

Thungs are duffrint in new Zealund though

bee06 · 23-04-2017 09:52AM

Perhaps it's the difference between advice for a large group versus an individual. If you are giving medical advice to millions of women it's safer to say don't drink at all because some women would take drink in moderation or one glass is ok and use it as an excuse to drink excessively. Whereas a GP taking to an individual who he/she knows is sensible can say one glass and know it will be kept to one glass.

I personally don't understand why someone would bother with the one glass though. What's the point? Of course, I've never been much of a drinker.

Parchment · 23-04-2017 09:55AM

I dont understand why some people argue for drinking during pregnancy. Its 9 months - there is an end to it, you can have a drink then.

Why even take the tiniest risk for one drink?

Thumpette · 23-04-2017 09:57AM

I was heading towards 10 days overdue when I was pregnant with my first son. Hadn't touched a drop of alcohol for the whole pregnancy but was trying all the normal old wives tails to kick off labour. My friend (who's a midwife and has 4 healthy children) told me that the way she always gets started is a bottle of wine. I didn't have a bottle, but I had one small glass. 36 hours later we found out that his heart had stopped beating and he was stillborn.

He was perfectly healthy but his placenta function wasn't great towards the end. I'll never know if that glass of wine made a difference (doctor's say no) but in my heart I will always wonder if it might have been the final strain on an already silently failing placenta.

It makes me so angry so see women drinking and smoking in pregnancy. It's selfish and deluded. How hard is it really to make small sacrifices for the well being of your child. All this 'nanny state' and 'demonising women' and 'it was alright for hundreds of years' is just people kidding themselves.

Parchment · 23-04-2017 10:01AM

Thumpette wrote: »

I was heading towards 10 days overdue when I was pregnant with my first son. Hadn't touched a drop of alcohol for the whole pregnancy but was trying all the normal old wives tails to kick off labour. My friend (who's a midwife and has 4 healthy children) told me that the way she always gets started is a bottle of wine. I didn't have a bottle, but I had one small glass. 36 hours later we found out that his heart had stopped beating and he was stillborn.

He was perfectly healthy but his placenta function wasn't great towards the end. I'll never know if that glass of wine made a difference (doctor's say no) but in my heart I will always wonder if it might have been the final strain on an already silently failing placenta.

It makes me so angry so see women drinking and smoking in pregnancy. It's selfish and deluded. How hard is it really to make small sacrifices for the well being of your child. All this 'nanny state' and 'demonising women' and 'it was alright for hundreds of years' is just people kidding themselves.

Wow - i am so sorry for your loss of your son.

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