Near misses - mod warning 22/04 - see OP/post 822

Annie get your Run · 20-04-2017 02:21PM

Jesus

that's beyond awful, I hope you're okay KS and here's hoping the motorist gets what they deserve. Glad to hear others stopped to help.

Moflojo · 20-04-2017 02:37PM

Kaisr Sose wrote: »

I had a close encounter with a very dangerous, unstable and angry motorist this morning. I got a photo of the vehicle. Meanwhile another car had hung back behind at a distance and then rolled up alongside. Seen I was shaking. Asked me if I was ok. Said she seen what he did and I had done nothing wrong. I was in the cycle lane and they tried to take me out. I said it would be my word against theirs and said she would go witness.

Sorry to hear about this assault (with a deadly weapon) and I'm glad you're ok and that you have a willing witness to the incident.

For all our sakes please, please follow this up with the Guards as thoroughly as possible because that driver is an active danger to all of us.

Edit: Also, please report the incident on the Dublin Inquirer's Bicycle Collision tracker map, which has a 'near miss' category: http://www.dublininquirer.com/2015/10/20/bicycle-collision-tracker/

ED E · 20-04-2017 05:53PM

Just had a dangerous overtake....by a Garda patrol car. His retort when I asked why oh why would he overtake into oncoming traffic? "Wheres your helmet?". Didnt look happy.

Was half tempted to put in a Traffic watch report, but not sure the local super would see the right side of that.

shootermacg · 20-04-2017 06:13PM

ED E wrote: »

Just had a dangerous overtake....by a Garda patrol car. His retort when I asked why oh why would he overtake into oncoming traffic? "Wheres your helmet?". Didnt look happy.

Was half tempted to put in a Traffic watch report, but not sure the local super would see the right side of that.

This guy need to be reported. If the guys up keeping the law don't have a clue, and lets face it most of them don't seem to, we are all damned!

papu · 20-04-2017 07:06PM

Cyclist being attended to on Pearse Street after what looks to be a collision with a taxi just before the Dart Bridge.
emergency services on scene.

Edit : She was walked to the ambulance, bike and car do not look to be badly damaged

Edit 2: looks like the taxi clipped the cyclist with his wingmirror..

Mercian Pro · 20-04-2017 08:26PM

Moflojo wrote: »

For all our sakes please, please follow this up with the Guards as thoroughly as possible because that driver is an active danger to all of us.

And please let us know how you get on. It's very rare to have a willing independent witness so it will be interesting to see if the Guards act on this.

Danbo! · 20-04-2017 08:50PM

Kaisr Sose wrote: »

I don't know how I kept so calm as I was shaking.

My blood pressure was rising just reading your post, well done for staying so calm

RacoonQueen · 20-04-2017 10:52PM

Kaisr Sose wrote: »

I had a close encounter with a very dangerous, unstable and angry motorist this morning.

....

Holy Christ! I know you probably just want to put it behind you but I reiterate what others have said, please report it. If this is your daily commute, he may do the same to you again and you may not be as lucky next time

What a pig. This awful attitude motorists have towards cyclists needs to stop and the only thing that is going to make the roads safer for cyclists is motorist education. Teaching people to slow down and be patient.

When he told you that you shouldn't be on the road...I really, really wish you hadn't been so shook up so you could have retorted with ''no mate, it's YOU that shouldn't be on the road"

Hope you're ok

Crossing the road on Dorset street this evening at the NCR junction. A cyclist was proceeding down Dorset Street from Drumcondra, approaching the junction, she had a green light. There were no cars coming from her direction and 3 waiting to make the rigth turn from Dorset street on to NCR. She was at the big tree pub when the first one decided to turn, she braked and slowed...number two went through...she was still moving forward tentatively...and what dya know....number three turns and she nearly goes into him. All the while she had a green light and theirs green right turn filter wouldn't have come on yet. She was the last of the traffic to pass, the would have had to wait maybe 5 seconds max for her to clear the junction before they turned. :mad:

She was wearing high viz and a helmet

It was still bright out ~5pm

HivemindXX · 20-04-2017 11:16PM

This is the limpet theory of driving. If the guy in front of me does it, then so long as I stick to his ass like a limpet I can too.

When an oncoming car turns right in front of me with no margin for error I am always concerned that the one behind them, who hasn't even had a clear view of oncoming traffic, will assume it is safe for them to follow.

Chuchote · 21-04-2017 06:20AM

RacoonQueen wrote: »

What a pig. This awful attitude motorists have towards cyclists needs to stop and the only thing that is going to make the roads safer for cyclists is motorist education. Teaching people to slow down and be patient.

I honestly think it's more than that. I think that the radio jocks and newspaper commentators spewing hatred of cyclists are responsible for this.

If they are not stopped, drivers are going to become more and more dangerous.

jive · 21-04-2017 09:16AM

Had one this morning on the slip road right after Leeson bridge which leads to the top of Harcourt street (not sure of actual name, Adelaide road?). Wide enough road with parking on both sides, car went to overtake me with a van coming against us. I always leave a door-width to the parked cars so was not a close call for me really, the van driver wasn't impressed with the car.

Needless to say with it being the city centre at 8.15am I went by the car again 200m up the road at the lights by the Luas tracks. I have to say there's something more annoying about the totally pointless ones.

mr spuckler · 21-04-2017 09:59AM

jive wrote: »

Had one this morning on the slip road right after Leeson bridge which leads to the top of Harcourt street (not sure of actual name, Adelaide road?). Wide enough road with parking on both sides, car went to overtake me with a van coming against us. I always leave a door-width to the parked cars so was not a close call for me really, the van driver wasn't impressed with the car.

Needless to say with it being the city centre at 8.15am I went by the car again 200m up the road at the lights by the Luas tracks. I have to say there's something more annoying about the totally pointless ones.

i've had numerous dangerous overtakes there, by cars overtaking me on the bridge and then turning left immediately onto Adelaide road. the fact that it's happened to me several times means i know it's coming as they skim past me and hence am ready to jump on the brakes but it still pisses me off no end.

kind of on the same point, has anyone ever gone to the gardaí and asked them to pay attention to a particular junction etc? like it really would be shooting fish in a barrel if they stood there during rush hour every morning. i'm thinking of doing it for a cycle lane in raheny that's constantly parked in during its hours of use / operation.

Chuchote · 21-04-2017 10:04AM

One of the most horrible dangers of Irish drivers is the habit of indicating as they are turning!

V-man · 21-04-2017 10:12AM

Chuchote wrote: »

One of the most horrible dangers of Irish drivers is the habit of indicating as they are turning!

What indicator? Half of the time not used at all

shootermacg · 21-04-2017 10:13AM

mr spuckler wrote: »

i've had numerous dangerous overtakes there, by cars overtaking me on the bridge and then turning left immediately onto Adelaide road. the fact that it's happened to me several times means i know it's coming as they skim past me and hence am ready to jump on the brakes but it still pisses me off no end.

kind of on the same point, has anyone ever gone to the gardaí and asked them to pay attention to a particular junction etc? like it really would be shooting fish in a barrel if they stood there during rush hour every morning. i'm thinking of doing it for a cycle lane in raheny that's constantly parked in during its hours of use / operation.

The simple fact is, the Gardai are two busy sitting on their arses blowing into breathalyzers to do any real work. I've been cycling for a long time now and I rarely see any on my travels.

mr spuckler · 21-04-2017 10:16AM

and one of my recurring themes that bores people in real life is the complete lack of enforcement of any road traffic laws...

Pinch Flat · 21-04-2017 10:18AM

Chuchote wrote: »

One of the most horrible dangers of Irish drivers is the habit of indicating as they are turning!

The general assumption is that an indicator gives you right of way, which is not the case.

Roadhawk · 21-04-2017 10:30AM

V-man wrote: »

What indicator? Half of the time not used at all

I agree, too many drivers are settling into bad habits such as this which completely fudges up the efficient (and safe) order of traffic continuity for all road users.

If only the Gardai had the powers to issue a mandatory re-test for bad drivers. I think this would be a great solution to improving the standard of road skills and it would stimulate jobs in the motor testing

Chuchote · 21-04-2017 10:31AM

mr spuckler wrote: »

i've had numerous dangerous overtakes there, by cars overtaking me on the bridge and then turning left immediately onto Adelaide road. the fact that it's happened to me several times means i know it's coming as they skim past me and hence am ready to jump on the brakes but it still pisses me off no end.

kind of on the same point, has anyone ever gone to the gardaí and asked them to pay attention to a particular junction etc? like it really would be shooting fish in a barrel if they stood there during rush hour every morning. i'm thinking of doing it for a cycle lane in raheny that's constantly parked in during its hours of use / operation.

Actually it quite possibly might result in action. For a few months there was a garda in full uniform and hi-viz pouncing on drivers outside Trinity College. Maybe it's my imagination, but I thought it gradually made driving at that nasty junction less reckless.

What's the name of the yoke where you're supposed to report dangerous driving - Traffic Watch or something like that? Is there an app?

Annie get your Run · 21-04-2017 10:32AM

mr spuckler wrote: »

kind of on the same point, has anyone ever gone to the gardaí and asked them to pay attention to a particular junction etc? like it really would be shooting fish in a barrel if they stood there during rush hour every morning. i'm thinking of doing it for a cycle lane in raheny that's constantly parked in during its hours of use / operation.

I've thought about it! But the section of my commute that I'd be suggesting they monitor is covered by Blanchardstown Garda Station and I've a feeling I'd get very short shift!

Did anyone else see the Garda at the junction of Conyngham Road and Infirmary road this morning? They just seemed to be 'there' not sure if they were trying to catch red light jumpers or what.

AndrewJRenko · 21-04-2017 10:32AM

mr spuckler wrote: »

i've had numerous dangerous overtakes there, by cars overtaking me on the bridge and then turning left immediately onto Adelaide road. the fact that it's happened to me several times means i know it's coming as they skim past me and hence am ready to jump on the brakes but it still pisses me off no end.

It's the idiots who block the cycle/pedestrian crossing at that bridge that get my goat. How hard is it to read the road ahead and predict that traffic gets heavy at rush hour so you may not be able to complete the crossing, and just hold back instead? There could well be 100+ pedestrians and 50+ bikes crossing at any change of lights on a busy day, and they frequently have to squeeze past some selfish git blocking the crossing.

This morning I got a lecture from a guy for 'nearly causing a crash' because I changed lane to make a right turn. I think he was really pi$$ed that the lady in front of him let me in. He went on to blow through a very late amber at the next lights and get stuck in the middle of the crossing on the red.

Annie get your Run · 21-04-2017 11:18AM

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

It's the idiots who block the cycle/pedestrian crossing at that bridge that get my goat. How hard is it to read the road ahead and predict that traffic gets heavy at rush hour so you may not be able to complete the crossing, and just hold back instead? There could well be 100+ pedestrians and 50+ bikes crossing at any change of lights on a busy day, and they frequently have to squeeze past some selfish git blocking the crossing.

This morning I got a lecture from a guy for 'nearly causing a crash' because I changed lane to make a right turn. I think he was really pi$$ed that the lady in front of him let me in. He went on to blow through a very late amber at the next lights and get stuck in the middle of the crossing on the red.

:eek::eek::eek: But but BUT they're so IMPORTANT, they need to be somewhere quicker than everyone else dontcha know :rolleyes:

TBH I think they do read the road ahead and think to themselves "I don't care I'm getting through these lights come hell or high water"

Sarz91 · 21-04-2017 11:27AM

Cycling in this morning through donnybrook a cyclist in front of me was close to causing an accident. I left a decent amount of room when i went to overtake, I'm talking a bus lane worth of room. As I'm overtaking she swings right into me. Having never indicated i didn't see this coming, she didn't look over her shoulder to check if there was oncoming traffic she just all of a sudden veered sharply to the right. Had it been a bus or a motorbike it could well have been the end of her.

radia · 21-04-2017 11:34AM

Coming in this morning I stopped for a red light at Charlemont St bridge. White van was to the right of me. When the light went green, I was faster off the mark than he was, so I'd crossed the junction and was halfway across the bridge before he caught up with me. Nonetheless he still felt it was important at that point to overtake me in order to immediately cut across me (about 6 inches to spare) and turn left in front of the Barge. No indication of course. Gobsh*te. I estimate he saved approx. 1.5 secs by not remaining behind me for those last few metres (i.e. the second half of the bridge's length). Seemed utterly oblivious to any potential problem as he left hooked me. Sure I was only a cyclist, and the lane he was cutting across was just a cycle track; I couldn't possibly be going fast and would obviously yield to the far more important van driver.
And yet I bet he wouldn't move across an inside car lane like that.

https://goo.gl/maps/2EiFsEjqXJv

Later in the same journey, a cyclist ahead of me was nearly taken out of it as we went along Hatch St, by a car swinging across her to turn left into the entrance between the back of the concert hall and the Iveagh Gardens. Again, no hesitation or indication by the car, just turned without a second thought.

This kind of thing happens so often that it doesn't even shock/scare me as much as it used to.

trente · 21-04-2017 11:45AM

Cyclists, please stop breaking lights. Some of the near misses for pedestrians at red lights is also dangerous and too common

Pinch Flat · 21-04-2017 11:49AM

trente wrote: »

Cyclists, please stop breaking lights. Some of the near misses for pedestrians at red lights is also dangerous and too common

I agree. I'd also request the same of zombie pedestrians, more of whom seem to be fixated on phone screens - the Luas tracks at heuston / park gate street is a bug bear of mine.

I had a millennial Mid-FaceTime reprimand me recently in the cycle lane at Kevin street when she nearly walked into me. Like, LOL.

trente · 21-04-2017 11:51AM

Pinch Flat wrote: »

I agree. I'd also request the same of zombie pedestrians, more of whom seem to be fixated on phone screens - the Luas tracks at heuston / park gate street is a bug bear of mine.

I had a millennial Mid-FaceTime reprimand me recently in the cycle lane at Kevin street when she nearly walked into me. Like, LOL.

I definitely agree. 100%

mrcheez · 21-04-2017 11:54AM

trente wrote: »

Cyclists, please stop breaking lights when the roadway isn't clear or pedestrians are crossing, otherwise it's just a mild annoyance. Some of the near misses for pedestrians at red lights is also dangerous and too common

FYP

trente · 21-04-2017 11:56AM

mrcheez wrote: »

FYP

Is it the law that cyclist mustn't break lights?

Tombo2001 · 21-04-2017 11:58AM

trente wrote: »

Cyclists, please stop breaking lights. Some of the near misses for pedestrians at red lights is also dangerous and too common

Just an FYI

(My understanding is)
The last recorded pedestrian death due to a collision with a cyclist was in 2002.
The last recorded pedestrian cyclist death due to a collision with a pedestrian was in 2015 (this took place on a cycle lane).

Of course you are right, cyclists break red lights and this is an annoyance and potentially dangerous to pedestrians. However, its not part of the conversation around high level risks on the road, from a statistical perspective (in other words, its not a significant cause of severe accidents).

Near misses - mod warning 22/04 - see OP/post 822

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