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Near misses - mod warning 22/04 - see OP/post 822

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  • #602
    Tenzor07
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,333 ✭✭✭Tenzor07


    LpPepper wrote: »
    The driver pulled in just before the bridge in Celbridge village literally about 30 seconds later, with the hazards on. We were just waiting for him to swing open the door or shout something at us but nothing happened. So he literally put our lives and the other driver's life in his hands because he wanted to pull in up the road a few seconds sooner?? :confused:

    I'd of confronted him about his wreckless manouevre and tell him you'll put it up on Youtube!


  • #603
    Pinch Flat
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    Tenzor07 wrote: »
    I'd of confronted him about his wreckless manouevre and tell him you'll put it up on Youtube report it to the Gardai!

    FYP there....


  • #604
    Tenzor07
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    Pinch Flat wrote: »
    FYP there....

    I think YouTube with his reg would be more effective than that...


  • #605
    check_six
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,245 ✭✭✭check_six


    Another good example of someone trying a manoeuvre, not reading the road ahead, and causing a hazard. I had to look a couple of times to spot that the gap that the car left you was filled by another cyclist to your right. Yikes!


  • #606
    LpPepper
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 638 ✭✭✭LpPepper


    check_six wrote: »
    Another good example of someone trying a manoeuvre, not reading the road ahead, and causing a hazard. I had to look a couple of times to spot that the gap that the car left you was filled by another cyclist to your right. Yikes!

    Yep we were cycling 2 abreast, must have been a lot scarier for those on the outside...


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  • #607
    Annie get your Run
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,831 ✭✭✭Annie get your Run


    check_six wrote: »
    Another good example of someone trying a manoeuvre, not reading the road ahead, and causing a hazard.

    TBH this happens on my commute every day, twice a day on two different roads with solid white lines, one is also a humpback bridge with zero visibility of what is coming and yet every single day, both ways, cars overtake me, over the white line (at least they're giving me space!) and into oncoming traffic. What puzzles me most is the reaction, or lack thereof, of the oncoming traffic. Mostly there's none! One of these days I'm going to witness a serious accident and I often wonder if the finger will be pointed straight at me.


  • #608
    shootermacg
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    Pinch Flat wrote: »
    Crazy, senseless maneuver. Needlessly putting others at risk. For what? A few seconds. The mind boggles.:confused:

    Nice pace you guys were doing :)


  • #609
    josip
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    amcalester wrote: »
    I wonder if the other motorist blames the over taker for the unsafe manoeuvre or the cyclists for "forcing" him to overtake like that?

    I would guess that the responses following post 6104 over here
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057386855&page=407
    would be representative of most motorists


  • #610
    tomasrojo
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    Doctor Bob posted an interview with Andrew Gilligan in the Journalism and Cycling thread, but this bit dovetails with the conversation here:
    People decide they don’t want cycling then they look for reasons to oppose it. Then sometimes they just make up reasons.
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=103263267#post103263267


  • #611
    magicbastarder
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    josip wrote: »
    I would guess that the responses following post 6104 over here
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057386855&page=407
    would be representative of most motorists
    posts about cyclists have been deleted.


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  • #612
    CramCycle
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    magicbastarder wrote: »
    posts about cyclists have been deleted.

    The ones that remain are reasonable


  • #613
    mr spuckler
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    Annie get your Run wrote: »
    One of these days I'm going to witness a serious accident and I often wonder if the finger will be pointed straight at me.

    only it won't be a real "accident"! cause and effect and all that ;)
    an event that happens by chance or that is without apparent or deliberate cause.

    people are aware of the potential consequences of drink driving, speeding, dangerous overtaking, not paying due attention etc. therefore a resulting incident is a direct result of their actions rather than something that happens by chance.


  • #614
    mp31
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    LpPepper wrote: »
    I was out with about 8 or 9 from my club yesterday evening for a spin and had this driver overtake us very closely and into the path of an oncoming car on the way into Celbridge....The wide angle lens on my GoPro makes it appear not as close or as fast as it really was, was sincerely scary.

    Absolutely nuts....

    Please can I ask you to report it to the Gardai via the Traffic Watch number. Keep the footage, burn it to a CD ROM and give it to the Gardai when making a statement.


  • #615
    amcalester
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    josip wrote: »
    I would guess that the responses following post 6104 over here
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057386855&page=407
    would be representative of most motorists

    Fair point but that thread is fairy heavily moderated so we don't know if any posts were deleted.

    And the cyclists in that video were in single file, cycling 2 abreast seems to bring out the worst in otherwise reasonable motorists.


  • #616
    Pinch Flat
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    amcalester wrote: »
    Fair point but that thread is fairy heavily moderated so we don't know if any posts were deleted.

    And the cyclists in that video were in single file, cycling 2 abreast seems to bring out the worst in otherwise reasonable motorists.

    There was one guy who posted who claimed he as a cycling and motorcyclist. He called out cyclists as the most selfish of road users, citing red light breaking, cycling 2 abreast, no helmets, hi-vis, lights, queried why advance boxes are used, footpaths.....ah heck, just the usual complaints about cyclists. This brought out some replies - in fairness the guy was on a trolling expedition about cyclists in the motoring forum.

    What puzzles me about the motoring forum is that it's almost a badge of honour to routinely break the speed limit and then come on and brag about it. Yet motorists will frequently go off on rants about cyclists - red light breaking etc.:confused:


  • #617
    amcalester
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    Pinch Flat wrote: »
    There was one guy who posted who claimed he as a cycling and motorcyclist. He called out cyclists as the most selfish of road users, citing red light breaking, cycling 2 abreast, no helmets, hi-vis, lights, queried why advance boxes are used, footpaths.....ah heck, just the usual complaints about cyclists. This brought out some replies - in fairness the guy was on a trolling expedition about cyclists in the motoring forum.

    What puzzles me about the motoring forum is that it's almost a badge of honour to routinely break the speed limit and then come on and brag about it. Yet motorists will frequently go off on rants about cyclists - red light breaking etc.:confused:

    Exactly, a few comments on a thread isn't a fair representation of all motorists.


  • #618
    Chuchote
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    Interesting study of who breaks rules and why. More or less 100% of road users - drivers, pedestrians, truckers, cyclists, bikers, vanmen, taxi drivers - break laws, but cyclists break fewest; their reason for breaking them (for instance by going through red lights or cycling on pavements) tends to be safety, whereas drivers and pedestrians give "saving time" as their main reason.

    Love the word "scofflaws" used in the article! Hate that they use 'flaunt' when they mean 'flout' (flinch).

    http://www.ssti.us/2017/04/we-all-break-traffic-laws-why-are-bicyclists-different/
    …This difference may be linked to the low mode share for transportation bicycling, and your personal reaction may be linked to whether you get around by bike and whether you yourself are mostly law-abiding in the same situation. In addition, bicyclists’ lawbreaking ways are rational and generally safe, whereas drivers’ most common types of illegal behaviors—speeding and running red lights—are two of the top factors in injury and fatal crashes. Red light running by motorists is so common that Google has programmed its autonomous cars to wait one second after a green signal before proceeding.
    These are among the conclusions of two papers by University of Colorado Denver professor Wesley Marshall. Marshall noted that there are few studies of the rate of bicycling lawbreaking and fewer still of why bicyclists flaunt the laws they do. In order to gather information about the behaviors of drivers, bicyclists, and pedestrians, the reasons for any lawbreaking behavior, and their attitudes toward other road users, he performed a scenario-based survey of 18,000 respondents. Both articles are based on the results of the survey.
    In an article in the Journal of Transport and Land Use, Marshall concludes that while almost 100 percent of road users are scofflaws, regardless of mode, the reasons for lawbreaking differ. Drivers and pedestrians generally report that they are saving time. Saving time came in third as a reason for bicyclists, but personal safety was the top reason, with saving energy as second. Visibility to other road users was the fourth place answer.


  • #619
    RayCun
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    Chuchote wrote: »
    Interesting study of who breaks rules and why. More or less 100% of road users - drivers, pedestrians, truckers, cyclists, bikers, vanmen, taxi drivers - break laws, but cyclists break fewest; their reason for breaking them (for instance by going through red lights or cycling on pavements) tends to be safety, whereas drivers and pedestrians give "saving time" as their main reason.

    Love the word "scofflaws" used in the article! Hate that they use 'flaunt' when they mean 'flout' (flinch).

    http://www.ssti.us/2017/04/we-all-break-traffic-laws-why-are-bicyclists-different/

    To be honest, most of the cyclists I see breaking red lights might say "safety! " if pressed, but they are clearly doing it to save time and momentum.


  • #620
    Tenzor07
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    RayCun wrote: »
    they are clearly doing it to save time and momentum.

    Which is the main appeal of using a bicycle to commute rather than a car or taxi/bus...

    Our more enlightened European neighbours, the Dutch are trialling a Green Wave system for bicyclists...

    https://vimeo.com/144718190

    Maybe we'll see something like this in Ireland by the year 2057?


  • #621
    Tenzor07
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    emm.. no.. just with regards to transportation..


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  • #622
    Kaisr Sose
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    Pinch Flat wrote: »
    Crazy, senseless maneuver. Needlessly putting others at risk. For what? A few seconds. The mind boggles.:confused:

    My mind boggles too, but it's an all too regular occurance these days. it demonstrates a complete lack of awareness of the rules of the road, no clue as to when to overtake and how to do so safely.


  • #623
    jiltloop
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,225 ✭✭✭jiltloop


    Been commuting in and out of work for a short few months now and had my first proper scare yesterday afternoon. I had built up quite a bit of speed going downhill coming up to Raheny when a lady overtook me and suddenly indicated left and pulled straight across my path to enter a petrol station on the left.

    I jammed on both breaks and nearly came off the bike but managed to control the wobble. I hesitated at the exit of the petrol station deciding whether to confront her or not as you don't often get the chance to. I was about to cycle off but then decided when I saw her on her phone in the forecourt still sitting in the car that I would go over to her.

    She saw me approach when I was a few feet away from her door and I asked her "did you not see me there?!", she opened the door and said "what?" and I repeated "did you not see me there?!". She said no and I tried to remain as calm as possible and just said "you very nearly took me out of it!". She apologized so I just left it at that and went on my way.

    I was glad I approached her as hopefully she'll realise how serious a incident it could have been and be more careful and observant going forward.


  • #624
    Danjamin1
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    jiltloop wrote: »
    Been commuting in and out of work for a short few months now and had my first proper scare yesterday afternoon. I had built up quite a bit of speed going downhill coming up to Raheny when a lady overtook me and suddenly indicated left and pulled straight across my path to enter a petrol station on the left.

    I jammed on both breaks and nearly came off the bike but managed to control the wobble. I hesitated at the exit of the petrol station deciding whether to confront her or not as you don't often get the chance to. I was about to cycle off but then decided when I saw her on her phone in the forecourt still sitting in the car that I would go over to her.

    She saw me approach when I was a few feet away from her door and I asked her "did you not see me there?!", she opened the door and said "what?" and I repeated "did you not see me there?!". She said no and I tried to remain as calm as possible and just said "you very nearly took me out of it!". She apologized so I just left it at that and went on my way.

    I was glad I approached her as hopefully she'll realise how serious a incident it could have been and be more careful and observant going forward.

    All too common an occurrence. She definitely saw you btw, she just didn't give a f**k. I had a taxi do something similar this morning though I wouldn't class it as a near miss, he overtook me then 100 yards down the road indicated left and started pulling in to the kerb across me. To be fair I could see his indicator and I should've just overtaken him on the right but I ended up braking to let him pull in across me as he wasn't in any mood to yield. Was odd though as he didn't just pull in left after he indicated, he waited til I was nearly at his rear before he started closing the gap to the kerb.


  • #625
    Pinch Flat
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    jiltloop wrote: »
    Been commuting in and out of work for a short few months now and had my first proper scare yesterday afternoon. I had built up quite a bit of speed going downhill coming up to Raheny when a lady overtook me and suddenly indicated left and pulled straight across my path to enter a petrol station on the left.

    I jammed on both breaks and nearly came off the bike but managed to control the wobble. I hesitated at the exit of the petrol station deciding whether to confront her or not as you don't often get the chance to. I was about to cycle off but then decided when I saw her on her phone in the forecourt still sitting in the car that I would go over to her.

    She saw me approach when I was a few feet away from her door and I asked her "did you not see me there?!", she opened the door and said "what?" and I repeated "did you not see me there?!". She said no and I tried to remain as calm as possible and just said "you very nearly took me out of it!". She apologized so I just left it at that and went on my way.

    I was glad I approached her as hopefully she'll realise how serious a incident it could have been and be more careful and observant going forward.

    Sounds identical to me at the filling station in Castleknock a few years back, I was thankfully going slow because the driver managed to knock me off my bike. He probably wondered what the thud was, and was equally surprised when I confronted him in the filling station forecourt.

    I'm 6'2", had a flashing bright light on the seat post and one on my helmet. Hi-vis bag cover. And he still claimed to have not seen me

    There needs to be a real education of drivers on this type of maneuver - the most common and potentially dangerous IMHO. I think it's genuine lack of awareness / ignorance on the part of the driver rather than malice in a lot of cases.


  • #626
    Tenzor07
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    Pinch Flat wrote: »
    I'm 6'2", had a flashing bright light on the seat post and one on my helmet. Hi-vis bag cover. And he still claimed to have not seen me

    Yet if you cycled through a red traffic signal you'd have motorists phoning into the George Hook radio show to complain about dangerous cyclists!

    So basically we all know that in cases like what happened to you, the SMIDSY is just a bare faced lie!


  • #627
    jiltloop
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    Yeah I'm convinced she did see me, I was wearing hi-vis gear and I'm 6ft 4". She seemed to want to turn in to the petrol station in front of me instead of having the patience to left me by and probably didn't realise that I was going 35-40 km/h. That's why when I saw her on the phone in the forecourt in no rush to get out of her car that I decided I would confront her. If she was in such a rush why sit in her car browsing through her phone instead of hopping out to get petrol.


  • #628
    mr spuckler
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    assuming you're talking about the station after the lights at Brookwood, it's a fairly lethal spot for that. almost every day someone tries to cut me off there.

    although yesterday evening i kinda had the opposite at the same spot, a car maybe 2 or 3 cars up ahead of us was indicating left to turn in there and the 3 cyclists ahead of me all went up the inside of him, with him stopped waiting to turn in and expecting me to also continue on. i pulled out into the traffic lane behind him and waved him in, with the car behind me giving me plenty of space and the guy in front waving in polite acknowledgment. in the grand scheme of things it makes fvck all difference but these more positive (or what should be normal & everyday) interactions with attentive and polite motorists always make me feel better about the world!


  • #629
    jiltloop
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    mr spuckler wrote: »
    assuming you're talking about the station after the lights at Brookwood, it's a fairly lethal spot for that. almost every day someone tries to cut me off there.

    although yesterday evening i kinda had the opposite at the same spot, a car maybe 2 or 3 cars up ahead of us was indicating left to turn in there and the 3 cyclists ahead of me all went up the inside of him, with him stopped waiting to turn in and expecting me to also continue on. i pulled out into the traffic lane behind him and waved him in, with the car behind me giving me plenty of space and the guy in front waving in polite acknowledgment. in the grand scheme of things it makes fvck all difference but these more positive (or what should be normal & everyday) interactions with attentive and polite motorists always make me feel better about the world!

    That's the one alright. Yeah I agree with you on the above, I don't think a lot of cyclists are aware that they should not be undertaking a car indicating left which amazes me. I always stop and wave them on unless it's not safe for me to stop suddenly or I can pull out around them safely.

    I wouldn't undertake a vehicle indicating left when I'm driving my car so I'm certainly not going to when I'm cycling, especially when the result could be fatal.


  • #630
    Kaisr Sose
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    I had a close encounter with a very dangerous, unstable and angry motorist this morning.

    I was in a cycle lane, just approaching a left filter for cars, with the cycle lane staying right of the filter lane. The lights were red. A car came from behind me and pulled across the cycle lane. I had to go left to avoid the car. It kept forcing me left. I hit the car, the driver slowed and swiped the car even more left, I hit the car again he swiped left again at me and almost made contact, I nearly fell off, I hit the rear wing of the car, as I was now heading driven into a high kerb. The car then fully passed me and pulled right into the kerb to block my progress and then slammed on and stopped for no other reason than hoping I would run into the back of it.
    I managed to bunny hop the kerb and stopped on the pavement. The mororist had rolled down a window and started screaming "you should be in the cycle lane" I politely asked "Are you a Garda? You have no authority or right to police the road" They repeated the cycle lane comment and I politely told them I was in it before they bullied me out of it. The motorist was almost frothing at the mouth with anger and the tension had their eyes popping and neck muscles tense.
    They said something else which I won't put here but centred on them wishing they had hit me. At that point I said I was going to report them and they said "go ahead, report me, you fxxxxxg stupid cxxx, you should not be on the road, stupid fxxxxxg cyclist".
    At that stage I had pulled away. I don't know how I kept so calm as I was shaking. They tried to drive off and had the lights but another car pulled left in front of this vehicle preventing them from turning. I got a photo of the vehicle. Meanwhile another car had hung back behind at a distance and then rolled up alongside. Seen I was shaking. Asked me if I was ok. Said she seen what he did and I had done nothing wrong. I was in the cycle lane and they tried to take me out. I said it would be my word against theirs and said she would go witness. I tried to take her number but I could barely type. She asked for mine and rang my phone. Some nice people out there too. The irony of this is that the lights were red at the time this dangerous motortist tried to take me out. I really hope this driver gets what they truly deserve. They fully intended to knock me off and would have drove away too.


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  • #631
    Pinch Flat
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    Sorry to hear than I would have struggled to stay calm. A lot of motorists wound up at the moment and the incessant media bashing of cyclists is no doubt to blame for fanning these flames. And it's a quiet week as well with the kids off school..


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