Antifa.....the joke that keeps on giving

20Cent · 18-04-2017 09:58AM

Yer hero nathan damigo did five years in prison for pulling a gun and robbing a taxi driver because he "looked iraqi".

silverharp · 18-04-2017 10:08AM

20Cent wrote: »

Yer hero nathan damigo did five years in prison for pulling a gun and robbing a taxi driver because he "looked iraqi".

they should both be charged with assault

NinjaKirby · 18-04-2017 10:19AM

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

Some photos from angles other than that of the video show that she was attempting to use a bottle on someone before she was punched that first time (which resulted in her cap being knocked off):

Yeah, this puts a completely different spin on things. If she is legitimately trying to hit people with a bottle then I have no issue with someone punching her out.

I'm not comfortable with the idea that because someone is "anti-fascist" then any bad behavior they might be participating in becomes acceptable.

Let's be honest here, the vast majority of us do not agree with, and do not promote, fascism at all.

You don't get a cookie for being "anti-fascist". Most right minded people are against fascism.

So proclaiming yourself "anti-fascist" is not a license to run around acting like an idiot.

A few posters on here seem awful upset that their beloved antifa crowd took a beating from a bunch of neo-nazis and then ran away with their tails between their legs. What did they expect though?

NinjaKirby · 18-04-2017 10:22AM

PopePalpatine wrote: »

One of the top results for the reverse image search comes straight out of a far-right blog by a guy who literally writes guides on how to get away with rape around the world. How charming. :rolleyes:

Sorry but this is an almost unbelievably stupid way of looking at things.

I can only assume you are being dishonest because there is no way you are this dumb.

So if someone presents some factual information this can be invalidated if they have a pretty horrendous opinion on some unrelated topic?

Behave yourself.

Hande hoche! · 18-04-2017 10:25AM

NinjaKirby wrote: »

Yeah, this puts a completely different spin on things. If she is legitimately trying to hit people with a bottle then I have no issue with someone punching her out.

I'm not comfortable with the idea that because someone is "anti-fascist" then any bad behavior they might be participating in becomes acceptable.

Let's be honest here, the vast majority of us do not agree with, and do not promote, fascism at all.

You don't get a cookie for being "anti-fascist". Most right minded people are against fascism.

So proclaiming yourself "anti-fascist" is not a license to run around acting like an idiot.

A few posters on here seem awful upset that their beloved antifa crowd took a beating from a bunch of neo-nazis and then ran away with their tails between their legs. What did they expect though?

Starting to remind me of that film "In Bruges".

NinjaKirby · 18-04-2017 10:29AM

20Cent wrote: »

The alt rigjt first developed during gamer gate they really hate women. Except for anime Japanese schoolgirls they love them.

So I used this new thing called "Google"...

"The alt rigjt first developed during gamer gate" No it didn't.

"they really hate women" No they don't.

You are absolutely full of it.

You think people won't check Google?

Honestly, I think it shows how little you actually respect other posters when you try to pass off these, pretty pointless, lies as facts thinking that we just won't check.

You are a joke. You are completely dishonest and utterly shameless about it too.

20Cent · 18-04-2017 10:39AM

NinjaKirby wrote: »

So I used this new thing called "Google"...

"The alt rigjt first developed during gamer gate" No it didn't.

"they really hate women" No they don't.

You are absolutely full of it.

You think people won't check Google?

Honestly, I think it shows how little you actually respect other posters when you try to pass off these, pretty pointless, lies as facts thinking that we just won't check.

You are a joke. You are completely dishonest and utterly shameless about it too.

Anyone who followed gamer gate or the alt right can see misogyny is a big part of it. Just look even in this thread a females looks are part of attacking her.

silverharp · 18-04-2017 10:47AM

20Cent wrote: »

Anyone who followed gamer gate or the alt right can see misogyny is a big part of it. Just look even in this thread a females looks are part of attacking her.

you are just annoyed that your online feminist buddies were bested by a bunch of online nerds as they repeatedly demolished every Tumblr feminist argument to the point that being one implies you have little in the way of mental acuity

where is the "misogyny" ? again just another buzz word you hope to slip in without too much notice.

biko · 18-04-2017 10:59AM

I think 20cent is trying the old "repeat it until they believe it" tactic :P

Hande hoche! · 18-04-2017 11:08AM

biko wrote: »

I think 20cent is trying the old "repeat it until they believe it" tactic :P

A Joseph Goebbels quote would be too easy.

NinjaKirby · 18-04-2017 11:10AM

20Cent wrote: »

Anyone who followed gamer gate or the alt right can see misogyny is a big part of it. Just look even in this thread a females looks are part of attacking her.

I think misogyny is just part of the internet in general though? I often think it just comes under the banner of "Trolling".

Gamergate obviously was kicked off by a woman and it's safe to say the alt-right are not Hillary Clinton fans BUT the idea that they just have a blanket hatred of women is simply not true. They have definitely targeted individual women, I can argee with that.

Are you just saying that they don't respect women? Or they go out of their way to disrespect women specifically?

My experience is that "The Internet" disrespects men and women alike. Maybe the specifics of that disrespect differs depending on the gender of the target but I am pretty sure all groups are treated equally badly online.

It's not surprising to me that trolls push the specific buttons that are known to enrage or offend specific groups.

You are right the lady who got punched there is being ridiculed based on her looks by lots of people. I'm not sure what can be done about that though and I'm not sure that it's misogyny.

President Trump (haha) is constantly attacked on the internet based on his looks and I don't think he identifies as a woman. You surely do not think that attacking President Trump (haha) based on his appearance is misandry, do you?

silverharp · 18-04-2017 11:14AM

^^
He will tell you that you cant be sexist towards men :pac:

Will I Am Not · 18-04-2017 11:30AM

It was said in the "SJWs poisoning rational discourse" thread that you only get these militant, myopic lefties in America and that people were complaining for no reason.

I'd like to think this thread has blown that argument out of the water.

NinjaKirby · 18-04-2017 11:38AM

silverharp wrote: »

^^
He will tell you that you cant be sexist towards men :pac:

That's fine. I understand the whole "power plus prejudice" argument and honestly find it to be compelling to some degree.

However, just because you can't label bad behavior a certain way doesn't suddenly make that bad behavior OK.

If someone thinks, acts and talks like a sexist and/or racist then they are a pretty bad person. If I can't apply the label "racist" or "sexist" to them because they have a compelling argument against that it doesn't mean that they stop being a terrible person.

People are so blinded by fighting sexism or racism or fascism that they seem willing to forgive, or even participate in, some pretty bad and idiotic behavior.

That's up to them. I'm glad to see people pointing it out.

I'm feeling like people want to say that because someone is anti-fascist then all bad actions are forgiven so long as those actions are performed in service of anti-fascism. This is not right.

PopePalpatine · 18-04-2017 11:40AM

silverharp wrote: »

ah you can do better than that, that not really an argument now is it?

Fine, if Damigo wants to claim self-defence when he punched that woman, so be it. It's going to be fun reading about someone who believes in "sexual realism" (read: "get back in the kitchen and make me a sandwich, bitch!") claiming he was threatened by a woman who looks like she's no more than 75% his size.

NinjaKirby wrote: »

So I used this new thing called "Google"...

"The alt rigjt first developed during gamer gate" No it didn't.

"they really hate women" No they don't.

Nah, they just hate the thought of women having equality with men:

The sidebar of /r/altright wrote:

The Alt-Right, unlike the dominant ideology of the 20th Century (Liberalism/Conservatism), examines the world through a lens of realism. Rather than continue to look at the world through the ideological blinders that Liberalism imposes in its dogmatic evangelism of the Equalitarian religion, we prefer to look & examine social relations & demographics from a perspective of what's real. Thus, racial & sexual realism is a key component of the Alt-Right - perhaps the key component that ties the diverse factions within it together.

NinjaKirby · 18-04-2017 12:01PM

PopePalpatine wrote: »

Nah, they just hate the thought of women having equality with men:

Look, I had written a response to this but it came across as defending the alt-right and I won't do that because f*** those guys.

They don't hate women. If anything they use the idea of "protecting the women and children" as a way to promote negative perceptions of other groups.

I meant that "gamergate" doesn't hate women, by the way. Again though it's just another group of complete idiots that I have no interest in defending. They already shot themselves in the foot enough times to destroy any credibility BUT the idea that they just hate women is wrong.

I guess my point is why bother with the hyperbole about these groups when it's plain to see that they are a bit of a joke anyway? It just encourages people to defend them.

Worse than that it shows a total lack of respect for other posters. Like we are just going to swallow exaggerated claims (or even lies) about these groups because we are too dumb to know any better?

silverharp · 18-04-2017 12:01PM

PopePalpatine wrote: »

Fine, if Damigo wants to claim self-defence when he punched that woman, so be it. It's going to be fun reading about someone who believes in "sexual realism" (read: "get back in the kitchen and make me a sandwich, bitch!") claiming he was threatened by a woman who looks like she's no more than 75% his size.

different argument, my post was just poking fun at what happens when what looks like an "all American girl" gets involved with communists. So as in Tumblr, Meth and communism, not even once :pac:

biko · 18-04-2017 12:09PM

From what I gather about alt right is that they a more masculine movement than the left.
This could attract men that may be more misogynistic.

Alt right has both female and gay icons in the likes of Lauren Southern, Pamela Geller and Milo Yiannopoulos.

NinjaKirby · 18-04-2017 12:24PM

biko wrote: »

From what I gather about alt right is that they a more masculine movement than the left.
This could attract men that may be more misogynistic.

I was thinking about this and I reckon that any community that has vastly more men that women could easily come across as being misogynistic.

The same could be said about any community that has vastly more women would be seen as having some kind of "anti-male" bias.

Hear me out. Most of the adult population is heterosexual and most will have been in at least one relationship with the opposite sex and will have probably had numerous crushes and first dates etc. It follows then that the most hurtful or humiliating or abusive situations in people's lives will have involved a member of the opposite sex.

So if you have, for example, a majority male community online and you ask "guys, what's your worst relationship experiences" you will have a thread full of men who have been in abusive relationships with abusive women and men who are bitter about rejections etc. This could easily be perceived as some kind of hotbed of misogyny, right?

That's not to say that misogyny doesn't exist. Of course it does. I'd say though that only a small percentage of people have an outright irrational hatred of women.

You'd probably expect to experience a heightened sense that women are being objectified in these kind of communities as straight men tend to find themselves attracted to, well, attractive women.

Not defending anyone here just saying that maybe human behavior is a bit more complicated than the explanations that are often presented to us.

Help!!!! · 18-04-2017 12:31PM

biko wrote: »

From what I gather about alt right is that they a more masculine movement than the left.
This could attract men that may be more misogynistic.

Alt right has both female and gay icons in the likes of Lauren Southern, Pamela Geller and Milo Yiannopoulos.

The left have moved so far left, that the right or alt right are now anyone who has common sense.

20Cent · 18-04-2017 12:41PM

Cuck is the alt rights favourite term of abuse. Women are just possessions.

Help!!!! · 18-04-2017 12:47PM

20Cent wrote: »

Cuck is the alt rights favourite term of abuse. Women are just possessions.

Antifa put their women on the front line while the males stand behind them :rolleyes:

Help!!!! · 18-04-2017 12:50PM

Hank Scorpio wrote: »

Really sad what happened to that girl after the liberal loonies rotted her brain. From a beautiful blonde with aspirations to dreadlocks and glass bottle thrower who does porn. One of endless cases you'd have to imagine.

Does porn catering to an audience with a preference for hairy vaginas;)

https://www.everipedia.com/louise-rosealma-venus-rosales/

biko · 18-04-2017 12:53PM

I don't know if you've seen the Pepsi protest advert where a girl gives a pepsi to a policeman.

This is the same but instead the Pepsi is given to an antifa protester.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GoHQz1gnO28

Irish Praetorian · 18-04-2017 01:30PM

20Cent wrote: »

The allies were fighting fascists thus antifascists. Whats with right wingers blaming the left for for "spuring on" nazis like if they are left alone they will see the light or something.

Fair enough, the US, UK and others were 'Anti-Fascist' ergo their citizens are 'Anti-Fascist' therefore attacks on them by 'Anti-Fascists' are utterly ridiculous.

As for spurring on, I actually come across this argument quite a bit, the idea that it is necessary to use force against 'Fascists' (or whatever luckless soul ends up daubed as such). But it strikes me as a fantastically open admission of defeat on the part of what might broadly be considered the left; namely the admission that in a straight up battle of ideas between racial discrimination and racial equality, a corporate state versus a welfare state, authoritarian government v democratic government - the admission that in all of these debates and others, it is impossible for the broad left to win against Fascism openly, and that instead street brawling and force must be resorted to, is quite frankly a pathetic display.

I would submit that if an ideology is so weak that it cannot openly compete with the doctrines of Fascism, perhaps it might be wiser to spend time rethinking one's ideological positions rather than waging street wars.

Dude89 · 18-04-2017 01:41PM

I watched an unbelievable act of cowardice in one video from an "Antifa" member, were he ran up to a guy who was oblivious and struck him with the end of his thick wooden flag pole in the side of the face

biko · 18-04-2017 01:53PM

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20Cent · 18-04-2017 01:58PM

Having a discussion with a nazi implies that being one is a legitimate viewpoint to have. What would you discuss? Which race or minority needs to be exterminated next. Best thing is to remove their platform. Everything aboit it is corrosive to democracy.

silverharp · 18-04-2017 02:07PM

20Cent wrote: »

Having a discussion with a nazi implies that being one is a legitimate viewpoint to have. What would you discuss? Which race or minority needs to be exterminated next. Best thing is to remove their platform. Everything aboit it is corrosive to democracy.

and anyone that has a hammer and sickle. Having a discussion with a commie implies that being one is a legitimate viewpoint to have. What would you discuss? Which class or property owners needs to be exterminated next. Best thing is to remove their platform. Everything about it is corrosive to democracy.

see what I did there

Outlaw Pete · 18-04-2017 02:07PM

20Cent wrote: »

Best thing is to remove their platform. Everything aboit it is corrosive to democracy.

lol

Antifa.....the joke that keeps on giving

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