Waterford GAA Discussion Thread - **MOD NOTE POST #1**

culbaire wrote:

Derek knows all. He is God. Waterford won an All Ireland senior title in 1959 and contested the 1957 All Ireland Final, playing hurling as it should be played!

Good man culbaire, thanks for the history lesson. They won a minor in 48 too. And a junior in the 30's I think. But I'm not a historian.

culbaire wrote: »

Sarcasm: The refuge of the shallow mind! Apologists for Derek McGrath out in force in recent days. Face facts. He has no interest in the club championships. Showed that yesterday!

Maybe he was at the Passage Lismore game and decided it wasnt worth his while going to the club championship for the remaining weekend.

I mean that seriously, the standard was so poor that Dan at 30 would have scored 10 goals

Mulbert wrote: »

Good man culbaire, thanks for the history lesson. They won a minor in 48 too. And a junior in the 30's I think. But I'm not a historian.

Twiceasnice97 wrote: »

this lad rambling on about going to club matchs must think its the 1950s.
There isn't a player over 18 years of age in Waterford that Mcgrath doesn't know about

This was my response to the ABOVE post from @Twiceasnice97

culbaire wrote: »

Derek knows all. He is God. Waterford won an All Ireland senior title in 1959 and contested the 1957 All Ireland Final, playing hurling as it should be played!

That is why I focused on the 50s

Twiceasnice97 wrote: »

were you at the games?

All Ireland gold on tg4 finished all that ould sh1te talk about hurling from the past.
a huge amount of it was brutal both in terms of skill and dirt

I saw great players like Phil Grimes, Mick Flannelly, Seamus Power, Martin Og Morrissey, John Barron, Jackie Condon, Joe Condon, Johnnny Kiely, Martin Og Morrissey, Tom Cheasty. Mickie O'Connor, Mick Lacey, Duck Whelan, Austin Flynn and Ned Power at their best. Players such as Grimes, Flannelly, Power et al had superb skill levels. Mickie O'Connor had an incredible body swerve but sadly was struck down in his prime with TB.
Their skill levels were superior to any player in the current Waterford team. Saw the great Christy Ring, Eddie Keher, the Rackards, Nick O'Donnell , Phil Flood, Ned Wheeler, Jimmy Doyle, Donie Nealon, Liam Devenney, Tony Wall, Mick Roche and many many more from Cork and Tipperary. Saw them all in the flesh.

Can remember Club senior matches in Waterford, late 50s and early 60s. The Mt Sion team of that time would beat the pick of the current senior clubs in Waterford as would Erins Own.

There was no television coverage of 1957 and 1959 All Irelands. You had one camera from the likes of Pathe News which could not give proper coverage of the games.

robopaddy2 wrote: »

Lads this is the same rubbish talk that caused the thread to be closed last week.

Im after a report on the u17 game if anyone has one?

Don't have any report but saw they won 2-16 to 0-14 in Ennis, certainly not a bad result. They're now into a Munster final against the winners of Cork and Tipp at a Waterford venue.
Any idea if it's just the provincial winners into AI semis or do provincial runners-up get an AI quarter final? First year of it so hard to know which way it works.

The National Hurling League semi-finals last Sunday provided some pointers as to what we can expect later in the year. In Limerick, Galway continued from where they left off against Waterford with a strong and committed display which eventually overwhelmed Limerick's young team which was seriously weakened by the early departures of Declan Hannon and Seamus Hickey (who had started very well).

Limerick's new players do not yet have the conditioning for this level of hurling (shades of Waterford a couple of years back), especially against as experienced a team as Galway. This was evident in the way they repeatedly lost possession in the tackle. I thought Galway looked noticeably stronger than in previous years, and they look like they are already showing the benefits of their new strength and conditioning coach, Lukasz Kirszentstein. He worked previously with Tipperary where his impact has been clear to see.

A feature of the game was that Galway's full forward line (Conor Whelan, Cathal Mannion and Conor Cooney) scored 1-10 of Galway's total of 1-21, and also drew a number of scorable frees. The trio stayed close to goal and had some excellent, heads-up, ball played into them. Galway are a well-coached team of good, skillful, hurlers whose biggest problem has always been in their heads. The return of Jonathan Glynn will add considerably to their armoury. I expect them to pose the biggest challenge to Tipperary this year.

The game in Nowlan Park suggested that Wexford are more than just a flash in the pan. Their inexperience was obvious, but they can hurl and they have a lot of big men (unlike Wexford teams of recent years), and some of them are very young: Jack O'Connor and David Dunne are just 21, Conor McDonald and Liam Ryan a year older, and Damien Reck is doing his Leaving Cert in a few weeks time. They also have to learn that, when playing Tipperary, you don't hit high balls down on top of Ronan and Padraig Maher.

Wexford lost their shape a bit at the back when chasing the game in the second half, and Tipperary's lethal full forward line took full advantage, ending up with 4-6 from play between them. Tipperary were happy just to lash high ball into the Wexford goal area, confident that their inside men would get enough ball to cause fatal damage (just as they did against Waterford in last year's Munster final). You can understand this when the inside men are Seamus Callanan and Noel & John McGrath.

Waterford's Stephen Bennett and Patrick Curran are equally capable of doing this kind of damage, but they are as likely to be in the midfield area as close to the opposition goal at any point in time. Waterford supporters have forgotten what it is like to have a team set out the way Tipperary and Galway are.

Looking at the Tipperary sideline last Sunday, you could see the wealth of hurling and coaching experience they have at their disposal - Michael Ryan, Declan Fanning, John Madden, Conor Stakelum. The Kilkenny sideline is blessed with even greater riches. The contrast with Waterford's one-man show could not be starker. I have not seen any improvement in Waterford's tactical approach, field craft or game management in the last three years. The only improvement has been in the quality of player available. At least that gives us some hope for the future.

If we dont win a senior all ireland title in the next 10-12 years then were never going to win one tbh. The glory team of 98-08 had the great Kilkenny and Cork teams on opposite sides and todays (so called) glory team will surly have the great Tipperary teams on the opposite sides alongside other good teams that are emerging such as Clare, Wexford, Galway,Limerick, Cork and Dublin. Kilkenny will still be there

The glory days of hurling are slowly returning and a new championship structure needs to be looked at with the Super 8 football starting from 2018

culbaire wrote: »

Twiceasnice97 wrote: »

were you at the games?

All Ireland gold on tg4 finished all that ould sh1te talk about hurling from the past.
a huge amount of it was brutal both in terms of skill and dirt

I saw great players like Phil Grimes, Mick Flannelly, Seamus Power, Martin Og Morrissey, John Barron, Jackie Condon, Joe Condon, Johnnny Kiely, Martin Og Morrissey, Tom Cheasty. Mickie O'Connor, Mick Lacey, Duck Whelan, Austin Flynn and Ned Power at their best. Players such as Grimes, Flannelly, Power et al had superb skill levels. Mickie O'Connor had an incredible body swerve but sadly was struck down in his prime with TB.
Their skill levels were superior to any player in the current Waterford team.

Now I have heard that the old Waterford team of the 50s and 60s were considered as a stylish team but the last sentance above is absolute horse manure as regards the skill levels. As TAN97 has said above, the level of skill even 20 years ago wasnt near the level it is now, where space is at a premium and players havent a second to spare. Never mind 50+ years ago.
Old timers looking back through rose tinted spectacles. Thats my opinion anyway.

danganabu wrote: »

So all of these wonderful players that played on the same team all had more skill that any single player on the current panel, yet they won a total of one AI, if what you are saying is true then surely Derek McGrath is a genius to even have Waterford competitive??

They barely lost 1957 and 1963 All Irelands as well and won NHL in 1963 and of course 1959 All Ireland.

Bad night for the minor footballers beaten 5-11-0-06 by Clare. Ht score was clare 1-3- 0-04

Something has to be done about underage football it's not fair on the players and management

Think our season is over now