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The Boggers Log

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,839 ✭✭✭hot buttered scones


    Murph_D wrote: »
    Why don't you and FBOT pace each other to the big one in Cork? ;)

    Far be it for me to question yourself TBL re: Limerick, but the one question that pops into my mind is whats the rush? Limerick's in a couple of weeks, Cork's in a couple of months 7 weeks (:eek:). Give yourself a few extra weeks and do some more MP stuff and enjoy the run in down the Straight Road.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,672 ✭✭✭ThebitterLemon


    Itziger wrote: »
    I haven't been following your progress THAT closely but I did spot the 16 miler at M pace. Now, that is a decent run in anyone's book unless it was done with 'pacing' friends and you were racing the whole thing. And finished in a heap. Otherwise, that was a good workout.

    As for all those DNS and DNF's, they are a bit worrying. Your approach to these races is obviously very different to mine (and most others!). My worry is that you're creating a pattern. Another DNS/DNF? no biggie. Oh, another one? no problem. Me no like.

    One thing I'll say on the Limerick race, why not use it as a 'super-session'? Do the first half in 1.35 and the second in 1.30, that kind of thing. Or 1.38/1.30 might leave you a bit fresher. That would be a confidence booster without damaging the old body.

    What d'ya reckon?


    Something to think about Itziger, I feel I need to finish one in a reasonable time to get some confidence back.

    Wasn't wrecked (but couldn't have blasted a whole lot more out either) after the 16 miles, I did 8 x 1k at 10k pace 5 days after with a 20 miler the next day. Haven't the high mileage that I'd like done coz of all the niggles but hoping it clicks soon.

    I generally think I've gotten softer mentally over the last year or two and need to harden up!

    TbL


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,672 ✭✭✭ThebitterLemon


    RayCun wrote: »
    Have there been no completed marathons in that period? I hadn't realised!

    I completed the Galway Bay marathon last October with 9 or 10 miles at mp, in 3.19 and felt as strong as I ever had.

    TbL


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,237 ✭✭✭AuldManKing


    My 2 cents worth;
    TBL is coming from a multi-marathon background - 26.2 are his bread & butter.
    TBL hasn't got natural speed but has a fantastic diesel engine.

    I really don't think he will gain confidence from a 10k or a HM - he responded very well to completed marathons in the past - not so much in the time it took him, but more so the feeling he had during the race & when he finished.

    Due to his high mileage and many many marathons, he has a great ability to recover quickly.

    I'd say go for it - 3:05-3:10 would be a fantastic time. Then I know your mind would turn to Cork :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,831 ✭✭✭Annie get your Run


    My 2 cents worth;
    TBL is coming from a multi-marathon background - 26.2 are his bread & butter.
    TBL hasn't got natural speed but has a fantastic diesel engine.

    I really don't think he will gain confidence from a 10k or a HM - he responded very well to completed marathons in the past - not so much in the time it took him, but more so the feeling he had during the race & when he finished.

    Due to his high mileage and many many marathons, he has a great ability to recover quickly.

    I'd say go for it - 3:05-3:10 would be a fantastic time. Then I know your mind would turn to Cork :)

    Good points A and you're right, I was looking at it from 'my' perspective which of course is a million miles from the runner TBL is.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,672 ✭✭✭ThebitterLemon


    My 2 cents worth;
    TBL is coming from a multi-marathon background - 26.2 are his bread & butter.
    TBL hasn't got natural speed but has a fantastic diesel engine.

    I really don't think he will gain confidence from a 10k or a HM - he responded very well to completed marathons in the past - not so much in the time it took him, but more so the feeling he had during the race & when he finished.

    Due to his high mileage and many many marathons, he has a great ability to recover quickly.

    I'd say go for it - 3:05-3:10 would be a fantastic time. Then I know your mind would turn to Cork :)

    Ha A, I'll show you when I break 19.30 this week for a 5k :)

    I think you have been reading my thoughts, I'd initially hoped to run the sub 3 with Kerrylad in Limerick but not sure I'd be able to keep up! I want to finish with a reasonable time to break the cycle of DNF's so I'll probably go out slower with a view to finishing in a time close to 3.05 and then re focus and target the sub 3 off a bit of confidence

    TbL


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 610 ✭✭✭kerrylad1


    My 2 cents worth;
    TBL is coming from a multi-marathon background - 26.2 are his bread & butter.
    TBL hasn't got natural speed but has a fantastic diesel engine.

    I really don't think he will gain confidence from a 10k or a HM - he responded very well to completed marathons in the past - not so much in the time it took him, but more so the feeling he had during the race & when he finished.

    Due to his high mileage and many many marathons, he has a great ability to recover quickly.

    I'd say go for it - 3:05-3:10 would be a fantastic time. Then I know your mind would turn to Cork :)
    A bit off topic auldmanking,but which is harder from a p.b perspective,cork or Limerick,I mite be tempted to do cork,if I don't get a sub 3 in Limerick.Sorry for derailing ur log,tbl.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,672 ✭✭✭ThebitterLemon


    kerrylad1 wrote: »
    A bit off topic auldmanking,but which is harder from a p.b perspective,cork or Limerick,I mite be tempted to do cork,if I don't get a sub 3 in Limerick.Sorry for derailing ur log,tbl.

    I've done both a couple of times, I'd say Limerick is the easier of the two pb wise but not much on course support if that's your bag. I've run 3.18, 3,21 and 3.09 in Limerick so it's a course I like but your comments on the Limerick thread re the course change might change that!!

    TbL


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 610 ✭✭✭kerrylad1


    I've done both a couple of times, I'd say Limerick is the easier of the two pb wise but not much on course support if that's your bag. I've run 3.18, 3,21 and 3.09 in Limerick so it's a course I like but your comments on the Limerick thread re the course change might change that!!

    TbL
    I think and hope,from running the new course, the last 2 weeks,that it's still a fast enough finish.Last 2 miles is flat as u will get,We will have to keep a bit on board before the horrible 2 loops of the Gaelic rounds.mile 23/24 is where we will win or lose the battle for sub 3.I still can't fathom why they changed the route.If it's not broke don't fix it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,672 ✭✭✭ThebitterLemon


    Monday: another flock of kids around the house, spent most of the day bbq'ing to feed the feckers. Not sure I've anything left in the fridge apart from some mouldy celery!

    Got 32 mins very very easy done around the pitches in the evening while the young lad was football training.

    Tuesday: was driving to Dublin so I'd a short window to get some sort of faster run done. Got a couple of miles warm up done around the trails in Dangan and then hit the track, wasn't sure what I was gonna do but there were some girls from the tri club training and I knew one of them. They were doing 5 x 1k off 90 seconds and asked me to join them so I happily jumped in. Found this a bit tougher than I'd have liked but I think I'll have to visit the track more as it seems to simulate the hurt I feel during 5k racing.

    Was wilting towards the end.

    1k rep times:

    3.39
    3.47
    3.41
    3.45
    3.41

    TbL


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,202 ✭✭✭Gavlor


    Monday: another flock of girls from the tri clubaround the house, so I happily jumped in.

    Got 32 mins very very easy done as it seems to simulate the hurt I feel. Found this a bit tougher than I'd have liked

    Was wilting towards the end.



    TbL

    I know stimulants and the likes are getting a bad press around here but at your age would you not consider some medical assistant in the form of a blue tablet??

    :D:D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,672 ✭✭✭ThebitterLemon


    Gavlor wrote: »
    I know stimulants and the likes are getting a bad press around here but at your age would you not consider some medical assistant in the form of a blue tablet??

    :D:D

    Nah, don't need any blue tabs, I've been told I shudda been a pole vaulter ;)

    Enjoy your tour of London :)

    TbL


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,410 ✭✭✭ger664


    That session justs shows how soft your 5K PB is. You need to man up and embrace the hurt in races.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,410 ✭✭✭ger664


    Just to put some context into the above post. I ran the exact same session (solo) 8 days before my 5K PB of 19:45. Splits where

    3:55
    3:57
    3:58
    3:59
    3:59

    I was in an absolute heap crossing the line probably the deepest i have ever dug in any race.

    Realistically sub 19 is achievable but you may need to make a few attempts just to get race fit as they say.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,672 ✭✭✭ThebitterLemon


    ger664 wrote: »
    Just to put some context into the above post. I ran the exact same session (solo) 8 days before my 5K PB of 19:45. Splits where

    3:55
    3:57
    3:58
    3:59
    3:59

    I was in an absolute heap crossing the line probably the deepest i have ever dug in any race.

    Realistically sub 19 is achievable but you may need to make a few attempts just to get race fit as they say.

    Yea Ger, you're probably right, I've never been quick but my 5k pb is comparatively shocking. I just can't put my finger on why exactly. I've only ever run one sub 6 mile in a race (last years Galway 5k series and I ended up with a DNF!!) but I can do a 6.20 min mile at mile 19 after a 5/4/3/2/1 session at MP! It just doesn't seem to make any sense. Anyway I said I'd break 19 for the 5k last summer and it didn't happen so hopefully I'll at least get a lot closer this year.

    TbL


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,140 ✭✭✭snailsong


    I think you can break 19 without much bother, based on that. Embrace the hurt.
    If you come to Westport parkrun some Saturday I'll pace you. Pre booking advised.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,839 ✭✭✭hot buttered scones


    Yea Ger, you're probably right, I've never been quick but my 5k pb is comparatively shocking. I just can't put my finger on why exactly. I've only ever run one sub 6 mile in a race (last years Galway 5k series and I ended up with a DNF!!) but I can do a 6.20 min mile at mile 19 after a 5/4/3/2/1 session at MP! It just doesn't seem to make any sense. Anyway I said I'd break 19 for the 5k last summer and it didn't happen so hopefully I'll at least get a lot closer this year.

    TbL

    Coz 5ks hurt like f0ck immediately and have you wishing for the end after the first couple of minutes?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,672 ✭✭✭ThebitterLemon


    Wednesday: was driving back down from the Pale so I put a call into Toyboy Tang to see if he was up for a couple of easy miles. We agreed to meet and I told him not too be at his usually bollockology of trying to burn me off and I wasn't running one mile under 8 min pace! Needn't have worried, he must have at least 2 stone on and has broken out in an ugly rash and is running like a half filled, leaky silage bale!

    Picked an out and back rural route, was nice except for a section that smelt so bad we thought one of North Korea's chemical weapon missiles had been brought down over Moyvalley :) We also seemed to be caught up in a redneck equivalent of that "Who let's the dogs out" video, I lost count of the number of dogs that chased/followed us, but I wasn't overly bothered as they seemed more interested in dry humping Tang! It was also very humid and 'twas like running beside a bust New York fire hydrant as Toyboy leaked sweat in all directions! Still, one of the more enjoyable runs that I've done lately and we'd a good chat and a laugh along the way.

    10 (soggy) miles @ 8.14

    Today: recent discussions around 5ks had me seriously considering driving to Roscommon for an evening 5k race. A (rare) bit of common sense, well really an extremely pissed off missus, meant I decided to drop that plan! Headed to Dangan instead and got some steady miles done.

    9 miles@ 7.13,

    total miles for day 10.

    I'm considering hitting the track tomorrow and belting out 12.5 laps (5k) to see how I'm primed for operation trynottobesoft

    TbL


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,140 ✭✭✭martyboy48


    Will I see you for Tuesdays 5k in the racecourse???
    Hoping to break 21 myself....


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,831 ✭✭✭Annie get your Run


    Gavlor wrote: »
    I know stimulants and the likes are getting a bad press around here but at your age would you not consider some medical assistant in the form of a blue tablet??

    :D:D
    I'm considering hitting the track tomorrow and belting out 12.5 laps (5k) to see how I'm primed for operation trynottobesoft

    TbL

    We need tang for the quick witted commentary to connect these two posts :p


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,272 ✭✭✭Dubgal72


    TAbL....headless and chicken come to mind lately.

    Would you ever stop flapping around, pick a target, calm down and focus. Focus, breathe and relax....or else I will be forced to call you TSquawking FlappingbL


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,272 ✭✭✭Dubgal72


    On a more serious note: am reading Charlie Spedding (again!) and I think you will find this extract useful. Followed by this (wasn't allowed link in one chunk).

    Follow a schedule, do it 'perfectly' and you will race...perfectly.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,704 ✭✭✭✭RayCun


    Dubgal72 wrote: »
    On a more serious note: am reading Charlie Spedding (again!) and I think you will find this extract useful. Followed by this (wasn't allowed link in one chunk).

    Follow a schedule, do it 'perfectly' and you will race...perfectly.

    that's a great book, you should definitely read it


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,272 ✭✭✭Dubgal72


    RayCun wrote: »
    that's a great book, you should definitely read it

    I have. Twice :pac:


    (We call that a 'mam joke' in my house. My kids hate me....my jokes are so bad they're, well, so bad.)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,672 ✭✭✭ThebitterLemon


    Dubgal72 wrote: »
    TAbL....headless and chicken come to mind lately.

    Would you ever stop flapping around, pick a target, calm down and focus. Focus, breathe and relax....or else I will be forced to call you TSquawking FlappingbL

    Funny you should mention flapping Auldgal :), yesterday I was starting to think that my thickness plan might be, well, just thick! Was thinking that I might need a bit of structure again so I contacted Ecoli and I'll pick his brain again (after Limerick).

    My big fear/concern is that I'll put in all the effort and sacrifice and I'll end up with San Seb part 2!

    Anyway thanks for your post/input, the flapping will probably continue for another while though :)

    TbL


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,272 ✭✭✭Dubgal72


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,672 ✭✭✭ThebitterLemon


    Friday: lazy, took the day off.

    Saturday: planned on doing 10 miles easy. Got out late evening for this. I don't run with my glasses and as such I'm usually oblivious to anything outside of a field of vision of a foot or two. Something caught my attention as l ran by one of the houses on the outskirts of the village so I stopped and doubled back to check it out. There was a very auld lad lying prone in his driveway. There were gardening implements and a zimmer frame scattered around him. He seemed to be badly shook and wasn't making much sense. He had a couple of minor cuts and bruises but he was very heavy and it took a monumental effort to get him back up onto the Zimmer frame. Eventually got him back into his house and his chair. Started chatting to him to see if he was ok, and did he want me to call someone or a doctor. Went mad at the mention of the doctor so I just decided that I'd stay with him for a while to make sure he was alright. He's very immobile so I made him a cup of tea (that he had to drink through a straw) and cleaned out his cuts. He'd a savage sense of humour and was actually great craic. Said he liked the peace and quiet and didn't like too many visitors, he left that hang for a minute and then followed it with a smile while saying "...and you're not getting the hint!"

    Saw a framed record (anyone under 40 Google it!!) on the wall and I asked him about it, turns out he is/was a famous Sean Nos singer and recited "Stolen Child", with Mike Scott on the Waterboys album, Fishermans Blues and toured with them occasionally! Two hours later I made my way home slowly in the dark, 6 miles lost but an experience gained.

    4 miles easy.

    Sunday: mrs TbL had me doing slave labour all day and my back was acting up so I didn't run.

    Monday: back very tight, got it looked at and was advised not to run, so another day goes by with no miles.

    Tuesday: joined the "elites" on the track for a 5 x 1600m session. When a 2.17 marathoner tells you, you're doing the reps too fast you'd think it's time to listen up! My Thickness Plan might also be on the way out coz when I told him what I was at, he looked at me like I was asking his mother out on a date! He couched it diplomatically though and said "I was fcukin cracked", :) Also said I should go back on a structured plan and stop putting huge pressure on myself, and not bother with Limerick. We'll see.

    Did 5 reps all between 6.08-6.15 pace, comfortably tired rather than goosed so I'll take that as progress.

    https://youtu.be/Jg-oJKYIinQ

    TbL


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 179 ✭✭Rockyman7


    Was thinking that I might need a bit of structure again so Ill contact Ecoli and I'll pick his brain

    ecoli is a busted flush,Ray is where its at.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,831 ✭✭✭Annie get your Run


    Two things... firstly, ya big SOFTIE :) what a lovely thing to do :) secondly, you only listen when advice comes from a 2:17 marathoner ???!! :pac:


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,140 ✭✭✭snailsong


    Fair play for going back and doing the Samaritan thing. I know who you're talking about, can hear his voice in my head right now. I remember his name, I think.

    We all agree you're fcukin cracked, it has been mentioned. Maybe you'll believe it now.


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