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Largest Non-Nuclear Bomb in world dropped on Afghanistan

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    #302
    Samaris
    Registered Users Posts: 6,544 ✭✭✭Samaris


    I read yesterday (still very close to when the attack happened, so reports were probably still shaky) that a civilian man and his son were killed in the blast. I don't know if it's accurate.


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    #303
    Dubh Linn
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 172 ✭✭Dubh Linn


    Unfortunately, I could almost guarantee that.


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    #304
    Noddyholder
    Closed Accounts Posts: 696 ✭✭✭Noddyholder


    Samaris wrote: »
    I read yesterday (still very close to when the attack happened, so reports were probably still shaky) that a civilian man and his son were killed in the blast. I don't know if it's accurate.

    I would be of the mind that there were a lot more than that, probably never hear the truth, In the bigger picture we will have to wait & see what damage it has caused to ISIS.


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    #305
    Dubh Linn
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 172 ✭✭Dubh Linn


    Like I said, 36-100 ISIS casualties.


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    #306
    Autonomous Cowherd
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,100 ✭✭✭Autonomous Cowherd


    I made an error when reporting it was 300 million per bomb. I think that is the cost of the whole MOAB program.

    Just correcting the record.


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    #307
    dr.fuzzenstein
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    Dubh Linn wrote: »
    Like I said, 36-100 ISIS casualties.

    As much as I think that simply dropping bombs cannot succeed without boots on the ground and that this is a doomed box ticking exercise, I cannot help but feel a certain, grim satisfaction.
    ISIS are vermin that must be eradicated and since they all signed up for a grim, violent, pointless death I'm glad they got it.
    They are hate filled creatures that delight in killing, maiming and raping. I would personally feed them slowly feet first into a shredder and not feel sorry for them.


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    #308
    Dubh Linn
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 172 ✭✭Dubh Linn


    Former Afghan President Hamid Karzai has now said on twitter that the strike was "inhuman". What on earth is he talking about there?


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    #309
    Shurimgreat
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    Probably a demo to Russia, North Korea and Syria of US military might as much as anything.


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    #310
    Autonomous Cowherd
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,100 ✭✭✭Autonomous Cowherd


    Dubh Linn wrote: »
    Former Afghan President Hamid Karzai has now said on twitter that the strike was "inhuman". What on earth is he talking about there?

    I think he is talking about Afghanistan being used as a casual testing ground for powerful and dangerous weapons. But then again Afghanistan has been pretty much torn asunder for decades by the 'civilised' world. I met quite a number of people in the long ago who had made the land trip through Afghanistan to India and they spoke of a beautiful culture and land full of generous hospital people. Some day maybe history will write the truth of what empirical forces did in these times to ancient cultures and peoples burdened with oil in their ground.


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    #311
    Will I Am Not
    Registered Users Posts: 3,495 ✭✭✭Will I Am Not


    The sad thing about this is there are many people that will be disappointed if there is no collateral damage meaning that they won't get to say their piece.
    That's the way things are now.


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    #312
    Dubh Linn
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 172 ✭✭Dubh Linn


    My point was, a former Afghan president saying that it was "inhumane" to kill about 100 ISIS militants who, don't forget, he was battling only a few years ago. I mean, what a pointless statement. If a verifiable source was able to confirm that there were civilian casualties then, fine, fair enough, but saying that the death of a load of IS fighters is a godawful tragedy is just, imo wrong.


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    #313
    Autonomous Cowherd
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,100 ✭✭✭Autonomous Cowherd


    The Fake Sheikh wrote: »
    The sad thing about this is there are many people that will be disappointed if there is no collateral damage meaning that they won't get to say their piece.
    That's the way things are now.

    It's a kind of crazy misanthropic view to have that if people express shock and reserve at the escalation of warmongering and the type of weaponry that will be considered admissible from here on out that they are automatically sympathizers with Salafist monsters and their brutal ideology. Weird.

    For my part it is not the killing of terrorists that would be a problem, it is the machismo that is demonstrated in this act that bellows loud and clear that the force policing the world will not feel circumscribed by any considerations for collateral damage when deciding what weapons they aught to unleash on foreign soil. The skies the limit for the big boys it seems.

    And yet the same force chokes and splutters on its cake at the thoughts of certain kinds of WMDs and declares red lines over certain kinds of civilian casualties.


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    #314
    Gatling
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    Autonomous Cowherd wrote: »
    And yet the same force chokes and splutters on its cake at the thoughts of certain kinds of WMDs and declares red lines over certain kinds of civilian casualties.

    Have you been commenting on the assad chemical weapons attacks at all
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    #315
    Dubh Linn
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 172 ✭✭Dubh Linn


    Imo, Trump should be executing an all-out blitz on Syria, Mosul, Afghanistan and the like, just to eliminate IS and Assad in Syria. But no, he won't do it. For now...


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    #316
    Strong Life in Dublin
    Registered Users Posts: 487 ✭✭Strong Life in Dublin


    B_Wayne wrote: »


    Can you explain to me how this will actually damage Isis? They're not a standard organisation, it adds to their propaganda and I'll guarantee that recruitment will go about as a result of it.

    This type of bomb will show ISIS that they have no where to his because the Moab will collapse caves they hide in.


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    #317
    Strong Life in Dublin
    Registered Users Posts: 487 ✭✭Strong Life in Dublin


    Gringo180 wrote: »
    Your hypocrisy is astounding. You want Assad out for apparently using chemical weapons in Syria but are in here praising America for dropping one of the biggest bombs used in warfare. Lol

    How can you not see the difference? Chemical weapons on civilians vs bomb on ISIS in caves


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    #318
    tomwaterford
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    Strong Life in Dublin wrote: »
    This type of bomb will show ISIS that they have no where to his because the Moab will collapse caves they hide in.

    And if they sit in city areas and residential neighbour hoods....what then?


    Say you find a small village of 200 people and Isis are holding an agm there and all their top leaders/commander blah blah etc are there....and leveling it with this would conclusively neat Isis for good


    At what point do you say it's too many civilians dead?


    Deos anyone in all reality think this will beat them....il support it 100% if it removes Isis capacity to carry out attacks and it's all over in <6 months


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    #319
    Atoms for Peace
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    Autonomous Cowherd wrote: »
    I think he is talking about Afghanistan being used as a casual testing ground for powerful and dangerous weapons. But then again Afghanistan has been pretty much torn asunder for decades by the 'civilised' world. I met quite a number of people in the long ago who had made the land trip through Afghanistan to India and they spoke of a beautiful culture and land full of generous hospital people. Some day maybe history will write the truth of what empirical forces did in these times to ancient cultures and peoples burdened with oil in their ground.

    Their is no oil in Afghanistan. The major cause of strife there is internal power wrangles between various tribal groups fueled by cold war era politics.


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    #320
    Mickeroo
    Administrators, Computer Games Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 32,170 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Mickeroo


    Dubh Linn wrote: »
    My point was, a former Afghan president saying that it was "inhumane" to kill about 100 ISIS militants who, don't forget, he was battling only a few years ago. I mean, what a pointless statement. If a verifiable source was able to confirm that there were civilian casualties then, fine, fair enough, but saying that the death of a load of IS fighters is a godawful tragedy is just, imo wrong.

    I don't see the issue, you can think someone deserves to be taken out but not be ok with the method used.


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    #321
    Dubh Linn
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 172 ✭✭Dubh Linn


    The Taliban owns half of the hole of a country, Daesh are starting to eat into the Taliban, and then of course there has to be the tribal groups slugging it out. The country will never be 100% functional, no amount of US occupation or aerial bombardment will solve that issue.


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    #322
    josip
    Registered Users Posts: 13,683 ✭✭✭✭josip


    Autonomous Cowherd wrote: »
    lol :)

    It's nothing to do with it not going my way. I just dislike the gloating and slavering over mega bombs. 95000 people live in Archin district. I'd say a lot of them are bleeding from their ears right now and I just can't abide the panting over a war machine

    http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-afghanistan-bomb-idUSKBN17F27U


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    #323
    Autonomous Cowherd
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    Atoms for Peace wrote: »
    Their is no oil in Afghanistan. The major cause of strife there is internal power wrangles between various tribal groups fueled by cold war era politics.

    Sorry. I should have qualified - and those places finding themselves burdened to be along the route of desired and desirable pipelines that would unlock Central Asian / Middle Eastern resources for the people who like to think they own everything. Like Afghanistan.
    And Syria, for example.


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    #324
    Strong Life in Dublin
    Registered Users Posts: 487 ✭✭Strong Life in Dublin


    tomwaterford wrote: »
    And if they sit in city areas and residential neighbour hoods....what then?


    Say you find a small village of 200 people and Isis are holding an agm there and all their top leaders/commander blah blah etc are there....and leveling it with this would conclusively neat Isis for good


    At what point do you say it's too many civilians dead?


    Deos anyone in all reality think this will beat them....il support it 100% if it removes Isis capacity to carry out attacks and it's all over in <6 months

    Well that is a hurdle they will overcome when they get to it, but there would not have been many innocent people in this cave network


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    #325
    ilkhanid
    Registered Users Posts: 899 ✭✭✭ilkhanid


    CPTM wrote: »
    Imagine if someone from that part of the world dropped a bomb that big outside New York somewhere. Is that how the Afghan people will see this?

    Where can we see a true account of the real impact in terms of enemy Vs civilian lives lost. Any non-biased reporters that anyone is following?

    You do know that the Coalition forces are working with the Afghan authorities, so that comparison is bonkers? For all we know the local Afgan people may be delighted to see IS blown up with such ferocity. Even the Taliban, of all people. are fighting with them. If IS are behaving the way they behave everywhere else, then they have the local population terrorised.
    bangkok wrote: »
    obama ran a ****ing torture camp in Guantanamo Bay ffs holding prisoners that never went to trial!!!!

    Idiotic post. Obama inherited the Guantanamo mess from Bush the younger, attempted to close it but ran into all kinds of obstructions, legal, bureaucratic etc from Congress and other sources. There are far,far fewer in Guantanamo now than there were when he came into office.
    Yourself isit wrote: »
    People who criticise a war criminal like Obama................

    Evidence please.
    Autonomous Cowherd wrote: »
    http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/world-news/us-drops-largest-nonnuclear-bomb-on-afghanistan-21000lb-moab-used-for-first-time-35621197.html

    This world is a crazy place. Do they even give a damn for the innocent people who happen to live in that area

    The best thing that can be done for the innocent people who happen to live in that area is to destroy IS. Now if you have an another idea how to do that....we're all ears.


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    #326
    neonsofa
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    Strong Life in Dublin wrote: »
    This type of bomb will show ISIS that they have no where to his because the Moab will collapse caves they hide in.

    I'm (obviously) very ignorant on all this and find it difficult to get my head around a lot of posts on the thread, but aren't "ISIS" spread out everywhere? Isn't that the difficulty with fighting them because they have "soldiers " doing their work all over the world? I understand that there are army (?) bases etc which are being targeted atm, but is it not impossible to tackle ISIS generally due to the recruitment all over the western world too? Or have I got it all wrong? Like I said, I don't really understand it so if someone wants to dumb it down for me and explain why I'm wrong I'd appreciate it! The way I believed it to be is similar to religion/church, the Pope and Vatican may be in Rome but the religion exists everywhere and an attack on the vatican would only strengthen (?) the followers elsewhere.


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    #327
    Dubh Linn
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 172 ✭✭Dubh Linn


    ISIS are already dying, the US just needs to blast them out of their misery, that's all.


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    #328
    Yourself isit
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    Dubh Linn wrote: »
    ISIS are already dying, the US just needs to blast them out of their misery, that's all.

    Except in Syria where they are useful in toppling assad, who claims to be bombing isis and Al Queda but is bombing "his people".


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    #329
    tomwaterford
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    Strong Life in Dublin wrote: »
    Well that is a hurdle they will overcome when they get to it, but there would not have been many innocent people in this cave network

    This is ture....but I'd you start saying 5 or 6 innocents is ok
    Next is 10-20...where do you stop?


    Fwiw I do think it was a good idea on paper....but there deosnt seem to been any attempt to even suggest there was senior members or anything about there
    Just that trump needed positive publicity facing into the weekend....this is what the cynic in me believes


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    #330
    Yourself isit
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    Gatling wrote: »
    Have you been commenting on the assad chemical weapons attacks at all

    It's your hypocrisy that's on display. Assad bombs civilian areas to get terrorists = evil. The US does it = good.


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    #331
    Yourself isit
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    Dubh Linn wrote: »
    The governor of the province said it was the biggest explosion he'd ever seen.

    It was bigger than hiroshima


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