Hyundai Ioniq 28kWh

Mope · 10-04-2017 11:04AM

n97 mini wrote: »

Is your cooker gas or electric?

Ouch, that I forgot, electric (induction hob)

KCross · 10-04-2017 12:08PM

unkel wrote: »

I'd like to think that in 5 years time a new budget EV has a battery of 60kWh, a range of over 400km and once in a while maybe once a week or once every two weeks, depending on your mileage (once a week would be a good bit more than the average Irish annual mileage) you'd fill up at a filling station which will take about 5-10 minutes and bill / debit you automatically. Exactly the same as ICE now, except you don't have to go inside to pay

Charging larger batteries in faster times means much larger cables (even with active cooling). The cables today are already big/heavy enough. You could get much more out of them, as Tesla have via cooling, but to get it down to 10mins is a big ask.

Its a good goal to strive for. Realistically, I'd say, the only way to get a 60kWh+ battery in 5mins is via some kind of battery swap system.

Maybe some super duper charging innovation comes along that can do it but I'd say it would be decades away.

KCross · 10-04-2017 12:09PM

Mope wrote: »

Ouch, that I forgot, electric (induction hob)

That shouldnt be an issue.

bk · 10-04-2017 12:11PM

unkel wrote: »

I don't see that as the future at all. Having to get your cable out and plugging it in at 2 ends nearly every day? Sounds like a nightmare to me.

I disagree strongly. I'd much rather spend 60 seconds plugging in two ends every night and have a full charge in the morning in case there is a change of plans and have to take a long distance trip, rather then having to drive to some distant, desolate service station and sit there for 30 minutes once a week.

To be honest with you Unkel, if what you suggest was the case that I truly don't believe that EV's will take off, too inconvenient for people without a drive way.

unkel · 10-04-2017 12:34PM

bk wrote: »

rather then having to drive to some distant, desolate service station and sit there for 30 minutes once a week.

5 minutes. Just like people getting petrol / diesel now

You wouldn't have to drive anywhere to get juice, you would just fill up as you pass a station. Exactly like you do in your ICE now. People aren't complaining that they don't have their own petrol station on their driveway either, are they? :pac:

But yeah, home charging is ideal. But it should be wireless, not having to use a cable, going forward.

goz83 · 10-04-2017 12:47PM

Innovation and Technology is moving at an incredible pace.

It wasn't long ago when EVs were more or less restricted to golf carts and milk trolleys. The closest I got to an EV was a fork-lift.

Call me optimistic, but I think EV will move at close enough to the same speed as mobile phones have, but the EV revolution is just 15-20 years behind. However, much of the tech/software in smartphones and batteries is transferable to EVs, so that gives them a big boost.

I think a sticky on EV tech developments might not be a bad idea. In a year, or two, we might be surprised that some of our crazy optimistic predictions have come to light. Hell, I have surprised myself by liking a Nissan Leaf

Calahonda52 · 10-04-2017 12:58PM

unkel wrote: »

.... Having to get your cable out and plugging it in at 2 ends nearly every day? Sounds like a nightmare to me...

n97 mini · 10-04-2017 01:15PM

unkel wrote: »

The constant messing with cables sounds like a terrible idea to me. Necessary for some people today, but please let's get rid of them in the future

I agree that getting the cable out of the boot and plugging in both ends, then unplugging and packing away afterwards is an inconvenience (especially if it's raining), but a tethered cable on the CP would make it the same as the tethered hose a petrol pump, which is fairly convenient.

Of course as long as we have several competing standards it's not likely to happen too often.

goz83 · 10-04-2017 01:17PM

n97 mini wrote: »

I agree that getting the cable out of the boot and plugging in both ends, then unplugging and packing away afterwards is an inconvenience (especially if it's raining), but a tethered cable on the CP would make it the same as the tethered hose a petrol pump, which is fairly convenient.

Of course as long as we have several competing standards it's not likely to happen too often.

Tethered makes most sense to me. Happy to pay the â‚¬100 to completely replace the Type 1 cable when I eventually get a Type 2 car. But, I think an adaptor kit will be more likely.

unkel · 10-04-2017 01:30PM

I'm still contemplating buying a 15m type 2 cable for at home. I'd leave it plugged in at the charger and at a pedestal on the other end. Right beside the chargepoint of the car. So effectively a tethered charger too, without the need to even move the cable. It can then leave the classic car on the drive and drive straight in, no need for reversing. About £300 though, not too pleased with that.

bk · 10-04-2017 01:46PM

unkel wrote: »

5 minutes. Just like people getting petrol / diesel now

But still much faster then sitting around in a service station for 30 minutes with a crying baby in the back!

unkel wrote: »

But yeah, home charging is ideal. But it should be wireless, not having to use a cable, going forward.

Agree 100%

Shefwedfan · 10-04-2017 01:56PM

unkel wrote: »

I'm still contemplating buying a 15m type 2 cable for at home. I'd leave it plugged in at the charger and at a pedestal on the other end. Right beside the chargepoint of the car. So effectively a tethered charger too, without the need to even move the cable. It can then leave the classic car on the drive and drive straight in, no need for reversing. About Â£300 though, not too pleased with that.

I want to do something similar, at the moment I have my cable connected to charger at house and just leave during the day. To take it out I need to mess around with locks etc Really I would like to buy second cable which I can leave in car. It is pure laziness but that is me:P

Mope · 10-04-2017 02:18PM

Rang my dealer just 10 min ago, he has no clue if cars are en route (just assumes they are) and when/if they going to be in Dublin today.

I give up. When it happens, it happens.

n97 mini · 10-04-2017 02:29PM

bk wrote: »

Agree 100%

There is at least one wireless charging solution for the Leaf and others right now. It looks too fiddly to me tho.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ARfvb1nbP04

bipedalhumanoid · 10-04-2017 02:44PM

unkel wrote: »

maybe once a week or once every two weeks, depending on your mileage (once a week would be a good bit more than the average Irish annual mileage) you'd fill up at a filling station which will take about 5-10 minutes and bill / debit you automatically. Exactly the same as ICE now, except you don't have to go inside to pay

I'd see that as a huge step backwards. It takes no time at all to plug a cable into the front of your house and then forget about it. Fueling a petrol car means driving to a special location, standing there like an idiot while it fills and then completing whatever detour you had to make to get to the petrol station before moving on to your destination.

The inconvenience of having to visit petrol stations is something I gave up two years ago when I upgraded to an EV and I never want to go back to it.

unkel wrote: »

EVs are not just about saving the environment and saving money.

I saved €8k in two years on an 80km daily commute by moving from a 1.6L Nissan Primera to a mid-range 24kwh Nissan Leaf.

Especially in Europe where we pay massive amounts of money on petrol excise, there is big money to be saved by going electric.

KCross · 10-04-2017 03:08PM

n97 mini wrote: »

There is at least one wireless charging solution for the Leaf and others right now. It looks too fiddly to me tho.

With vehicle autonomy the future for wireless charging is going to happen. When you return home you will simply press a button and the car positions itself over the charger in the most optimum position. It may even extend to a proper plugin type system to make it more efficient as wireless charging isnt as efficient as using a direct cable connection.

I have a robotic lawnmower with a battery and a base station (look for Husqvarna Automower on Youtube.... full recommend it!) and it autonomously returns to the base station to charge and it measures the signal from the base station and manages to guide itself to within a cm or so of tolerance into the charging contacts. If a lawnmower can do that with 10yr old technology and a car can drive itself on the road it is inevitable that it will also charge itself.

I think whats holding back wireless charging is the efficiency of it.... but that should be solvable.

n97 mini · 10-04-2017 03:45PM

KCross wrote: »

I have a robotic lawnmower with a battery and a base station (look for Husqvarna Automower on Youtube.... full recommend it!) and it autonomously returns to the base station to charge and it measures the signal from the base station and manages to guide itself to within a cm or so of tolerance into the charging contacts. If a lawnmower can do that with 10yr old technology and a car can drive itself on the road it is inevitable that it will also charge itself.

It follows a bloody guide wire, or a simple radio signal if it thinks it has line of sight? Hardly practical for autonomous cars!

KCross · 10-04-2017 03:54PM

n97 mini wrote: »

It follows a bloody guide wire, or a simple radio signal if it thinks it has line of sight? Hardly practical for autonomous cars!

Nor did I suggest it was suitable for autonomous driving on the road. Obviously autonomous driving is highly complex (radar etc and certainly no guide wires!)

The task being discussed here is not at all complex. Its simply positioning the car over a charging unit on your driveway at very low speed.

I'm merely stating that if a robotic mower can do it on 10yr old tech a car can do it very easily with the levels of sophistication they already have.

Cars already park themselves. Positioning over a charge point should be simple. Thats my point.

Water John · 10-04-2017 09:28PM

Well, the core charging for the majority of Irish people will be at home by night. Battery size and tech will provide a payload that covers the vast majority of commuters.
Whether its a plug in or induction is a sub set of that.

A second group are houses and apartments that use streetside parking. A night charging option must be facilitated for them. If that means SCP's so be it.

A FC Network will also be needed for people travelling distance, esp not returning home each night. How fast that upload is up to future tech.
If I travel to Dublin from West Cork for a meeting and wish to return the same day or travel elsewhere the following day, for example.
If that fill up time can be got to a low figure, it will be a great leap forward for EVs.

10-04-2017 09:43PM

unkel wrote: »

EVs are not just about saving the environment and saving money, they should make your life easier. Or at least not harder. The constant messing with cables sounds like a terrible idea to me. Necessary for some people today, but please let's get rid of them in the future

I could think of a much harder life , for instance, walking to work !

Plugging in and out a cable twice a day isn't a chore for me but a pleasure especially when I know how little it's costing especially with work charging.

10-04-2017 09:52PM

KCross wrote: »

I have a robotic lawnmower with a battery and a base station (look for Husqvarna Automower on Youtube.... full recommend it!)

That's Bollocks, it's a lot more fun doing it yourself on a ride on !

KCross · 10-04-2017 10:07PM

Deleted User wrote: »

That's Bollocks, it's a lot more fun doing it yourself on a ride on !

What about all the emissions from that ride on! :pac:

My main reason for buying it was the time involved in cutting 3/4 acre. It's 90mins a week and if it's raining the day you are off it gets out of hand by the next free day. The robot goes out in all weather!

unkel · 10-04-2017 10:17PM

And... back on topic. It's hard in this forum, I'm as quilty as the next man for getting threads off topic

Sat "behind myself" in the Ioniq for the first time this evening. I'm 1.87m and have my drivers seat in such a way that I have loads of space in the front

The legroom in the back was adequate, a bit like economy class in a new Boeing 737-800 with Ryanair. Ok for a few hours, but not spacious by any means. I kind of expected this. What I did not expect was that I had plenty of headroom. A good 5cm left, more than enough for me not to hit my head off the roof should the car go over a speed bump. An owner in NL had reported this before, that his 1.85m son was fine in the back, but I found it hard to believe that, I thought maybe the teenager wasn't sitting up straight, the car looks very sleek after all and the roof line looks low. But he was right so.

Done nearly 500km so far and spent €0.00 on electricity

Still averaged 14kW/100km driving like a maniac with lots of motorway driving too. When I charge to 94% at the fast charger the car says 204km range and it seems pretty accurate.

Getting insurance refund of about €100 for 10 months. That's going from a €500 car to a €30,000 car. I'd be confident I'd get a better deal again come renewal by shopping around

Two of my children can charge the car now and they can also check on my phone whether or not a CCS charger we are planning on going to is occupied or not. The Ioniq is a well balanced car and pleasant to drive, both in the twisties but also at speed on the motorway.

10-04-2017 10:25PM

KCross wrote: »

What about all the emissions from that ride on! :pac:

My main reason for buying it was the time involved in cutting 3/4 acre. It's 90mins a week and if it's raining the day you are off it gets out of hand by the next free day. The robot goes out in all weather!

Yeah it kills me to see how much it costs to fill er up !

as for emissions ? well I save a lot on the Leaf driving 140 Kms per day more than makes up for it.

Ah it's time well spent, I much prefer the finish of the ride on and doing it myself.

cuculainn · 10-04-2017 10:45PM

unkel wrote: »

Still averaged 14kW/100km driving like a maniac with lots of motorway driving too. When I charge to 94% at the fast charger the car says 204km range and it seems pretty accurate.

Couple of questions. when you say driving like a maniac what sorta speeds are you talking? 120km/h on motorway?

i have been on the ev fence for a while. had a 3 day trial of a leaf last year, but it just didnt have the range for my driving. (i have a 80KM commute in total per day mostly motorway speeds, and then a few extra bits that are more unpredictable. the best i got out of the leaf was 100KM range.)

with the ioniq i am on it again i love the look of it and the range seems better.

just a question on the price. they are about 29k new including the government grant, i have a 19 year old car for scrappage @ 4k so my final price would be 25K right? (sorry if this is a dumb question but the hyundai site is not user friendly at all

Evd-Burner · 10-04-2017 10:47PM

AFAIK the scrappage is done with hyundai.

cuculainn · 10-04-2017 10:51PM

unkel wrote: »

And... back on topic. It's hard in this forum, I'm as quilty as the next man for getting threads off topic

Sat "behind myself" in the Ioniq for the first time this evening. I'm 1.87m and have my drivers seat in such a way that I have loads of space in the front

The legroom in the back was adequate, a bit like economy class in a new Boeing 737-800 with Ryanair. Ok for a few hours, but not spacious by any means. I kind of expected this. What I did not expect was that I had plenty of headroom. A good 5cm left, more than enough for me not to hit my head off the roof should the car go over a speed bump. An owner in NL had reported this before, that his 1.85m son was fine in the back, but I found it hard to believe that, I thought maybe the teenager wasn't sitting up straight, the car looks very sleek after all and the roof line looks low. But he was right so.

Done nearly 500km so far and spent â‚¬0.00 on electricity

Still averaged 14kW/100km driving like a maniac with lots of motorway driving too. When I charge to 94% at the fast charger the car says 204km range and it seems pretty accurate.

Getting insurance refund of about â‚¬100 for 10 months. That's going from a â‚¬500 car to a â‚¬30,000 car. I'd be confident I'd get a better deal again come renewal by shopping around

Two of my children can charge the car now and they can also check on my phone whether or not a CCS charger we are planning on going to is occupied or not. The Ioniq is a well balanced car and pleasant to drive, both in the twisties but also at speed on the motorway.

Evd-Burner wrote: »

AFAIK the scrappage is done with hyundai.

done as in finished? not available?

Mope · 10-04-2017 10:52PM

cuculainn wrote: »

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just a question on the price. they are about 29k new including the government grant, i have a 19 year old car for scrappage @ 4k so my final price would be 25K right? (sorry if this is a dumb question but the hyundai site is not user friendly at all

Answer is yes, you would, but not anymore. Deal is gone... unless they revive it for 172 maybe?

cuculainn · 10-04-2017 10:56PM

Mope wrote: »

Answer is yes, you would, but not anymore. Deal is gone... unless they revive it for 172 maybe?

see the very bottom of this page, it seems to still be an option?

If not, thats me gone from the EV market for another while!

http://www.hyundai.ie/ioniq/

isnottheword · 10-04-2017 10:56PM

I'd imagine that they have little incentive offering scrappage when they have a supply chain issue. Once they have actual product to shift, I'm sure they will bring the scrappage deal back then.

Hyundai Ioniq 28kWh

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