Hyundai Ioniq 28kWh

isnottheword · 09-04-2017 11:20PM

unkel wrote: »

Apparently all the hardware is already in the Ioniq for fully autonomous driving (autopilot) but Hyundai is still working on the software

That's interesting. So if you're driving with that mode on, will it grind to a halt if the traffic up ahead comes to a sudden stop (like the Tesla does)?
How many sensors are there on the car to facilitate this? Is there any self-park feature?

09-04-2017 11:33PM

You'd want to average 9.5 Kwh/100 Kms to get 290 Kms in the Ioniq !!!!! that would probably be driving at 40- 50 Kph !

09-04-2017 11:36PM

isnottheword wrote: »

That's interesting. So if you're driving with that mode on, will it grind to a halt if the traffic up ahead comes to a sudden stop (like the Tesla does)?
How many sensors are there on the car to facilitate this? Is there any self-park feature?

Yes the Ioniq with auto cruise will come to a complete halt but you're still in control. You can't take your eye off the road or hands off the wheel.

When traffic moves again the Ioniq will move at a snails pace and you will have to hit the throttle to get moving at a decent speed.

The lane keep assist is dangerous. I found it many times crossing the centre line.

unkel · 09-04-2017 11:37PM

Deleted User wrote: »

You'd want to average 9.5 Kwh/100 Kms to get 290 Kms in the Ioniq !!!!! that would probably be driving at 40- 50 Kph !

You haven't seen my posts from last week then? Several owners in the Netherlands and Germany reported that they got 300km range

I'm not sure why you are so surprised / incredulous? Surely you saw the vid of the Ioniq getting 350km on Seoul motorways (admittedly it was busy and it seemed to only do something like 70km/h, but no regen either much on motorways)

09-04-2017 11:38PM

woppers wrote: »

I'll be test driving one in a couple of weeks. About 65% of my commute will be motorway so I'll be interested in what the range will be after driving that stretch for 120kmh.

I'd be interested in your review. No point taking someone else's word, you really got to drive it yourself. But do remember it won't be that long before Leaf II is released and it would be worth waiting to see what they release.

unkel · 09-04-2017 11:44PM

isnottheword wrote: »

That's interesting. So if you're driving with that mode on, will it grind to a halt if the traffic up ahead comes to a sudden stop (like the Tesla does)?

Of course! The mode is on by default. It includes automatic emergency braking and it has pedestrian detection. So if someone would step from the pavement into the path of the car, it would stop. Even if the driver does nothing. And you just can't rear end a car, even if you do nothing. I rather trust myself though, I'm driving over 30 years and I've never caused a crash. Only ever accident I have been was being rear ended at low speed. Once.

So AED, LKAS and active cruise is what the software can do now. Nothing else, so no self parking. And I haven't a clue what kind of hardware is in place for all of that and how many sensors are used. I should do a bit of research at some point I suppose.

isnottheword · 09-04-2017 11:46PM

unkel wrote: »

Of course! The mode is on by default. It includes automatic emergency braking and it has pedestrian detection. So if someone would step from the pavement into the path of the car, it would stop. Even if the driver does nothing

So AED, LKAS and active cruise is what the software can do now. Nothing else, so no self parking. And I haven't a clue what kind of hardware is in place for all of that and how many sensors are used. I should do a bit of research at some point I suppose.

That's excellent. Is that being reflected properly in the insurance premium rate you got for it then?

unkel · 09-04-2017 11:50PM

woppers wrote: »

I'll be test driving one in a couple of weeks. About 65% of my commute will be motorway so I'll be interested in what the range will be after driving that stretch for 120kmh.

From memory reading owners reports in mild temperatures the Ioniq will do 220km at 110km/h

Probably a bit on the optimistic side if you would ask my opinion. At 120km/h it will be well under 200km, maybe something like 170km. Again I'm guessing here. But my guesses have proved to be fairly ball park before and that was before I even owned the damn car

EVs simply have very little energy on board. A 30kWh EV has 90% less energy than a similar size petrol car. Only one tenth of the energy!!!

At speed is where EVs simply are not very good. Even cars like the Ioniq and the Tesla Model S, which both have the best aerodynamics in the world (cd of 0.24)

unkel · 09-04-2017 11:56PM

isnottheword wrote: »

That's excellent. Is that being reflected properly in the insurance premium rate you got for it then?

I doubt it. But EVs in general get fairly good insurance premiums. I don't know the details of mine yet, but I do know I will be getting a refund. Which is not bad. Comprehensive insurance from a traditional insurer (Axa or Allianz iirc) coming from an almost worthless car (14 year old Jaguar S-type) to a â‚¬30k insurance value brand new car

10-04-2017 12:07AM

unkel wrote: »

EVs simply have very little energy on board. A 30kWh EV has 90% less energy than a similar size petrol car. Only one tenth of the energy!!!

At speed is where EVs simply are not very good. Even cars like the Ioniq and the Tesla Model S, which both have the best aerodynamics in the world (cd of 0.24)

If an ICE had the same energy as an Ioniq then it would not travel further than about 20 Kms !

electrics are much more efficient.

liamog · 10-04-2017 01:36AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

The lane keep assist is dangerous. I found it many times crossing the centre line.

That sounds rough, we've had LKAS on constantly for a couple of months. The default setting isn't very aggressive and mostly just beeps at you. Turn it up to the max and it will steer your around corners. It's subtle, but really helps reduce the fatigue when driving.

DrPhilG · 10-04-2017 07:29AM

unkel wrote: »

Comprehensive insurance from a traditional insurer (Axa or Allianz iirc) coming from an almost worthless car (14 year old Jaguar S-type) to a â‚¬30k insurance value brand new car

Bear in mind that 123.ie increased my premium when I reduced the value of the car stated on the renewal...

woppers · 10-04-2017 08:19AM

Deleted User wrote: »

I'd be interested in your review. No point taking someone else's word, you really got to drive it yourself. But do remember it won't be that long before Leaf II is released and it would be worth waiting to see what they release.

I'll keep the forum updated with my experience driving the Ioniq. I'll try to adopt a different driving style every day to measure the range. Everyday I'll post the latest results.

I'm going to try and simulate a winters day also by keeping the headlights and heater and demisters on. Hopefully it'll be raining that day too so I can keep the wipers on

The biggest test for me will be seeing how much range I get on a winters day without having to compromise on speed. I'd like to be able to hit the speed limits for the whole journey. This will hopefully show me how the car will perform in winter.

Obviously I won't be able to simulate the outside temperature though

isnottheword wrote: »

That's excellent. Is that being reflected properly in the insurance premium rate you got for it then?

unkel wrote: »

I doubt it. But EVs in general get fairly good insurance premiums. I don't know the details of mine yet, but I do know I will be getting a refund. Which is not bad. Comprehensive insurance from a traditional insurer (Axa or Allianz iirc) coming from an almost worthless car (14 year old Jaguar S-type) to a â‚¬30k insurance value brand new car

DrPhilG wrote: »

Bear in mind that 123.ie increased my premium when I reduced the value of the car stated on the renewal...

I got a quote with Aviva on this. I'm currently with them for an 08 Qashqai 1.5 diesel. â‚¬480 for myself and my wife. The estimated value is â‚¬8,500.

I got a quote for just myself on the Ioniq and it was â‚¬1000. Well, â‚¬999.25 to be exact and that includes the 25% multicar discount

I have a full Irish license for 11 years, never any claims or penalty points. In fairness, I've been a named driver for the previous 10 years but as of March I now have a 1 year no claims bonus with Aviva.

Mope · 10-04-2017 08:34AM

Wow, that is steep premium with such amount of no claims. I am about to find out what it will be for us.

Fiery mutant · 10-04-2017 08:36AM

My current policy is up on May 6th, so I'll find out very soon whT insurance will be like, but I'll be fighting tooth and nail with any company that tries to pull a fast one.

As for the range, 11.3kwh/100km is the best I have done yet, on a work run. Drove 100km yesterday to my parents, on the n4/m50/m11 and got 11.8kwh/100km.

bk · 10-04-2017 09:16AM

Water John wrote: »

If 10 EV owners go to the cinema or a show, where will they all plug in for 2 hours?

In Alaska, pretty much every single parking space has a power plug. Not necessarily for electric cars (though they can use it) but for heaters for ICE cars when the car isn't running.

It is so cold there that ICE engines won't start without being kept constantly warmed up.

The point is, if EV's are the future, then lots of on-street AC charging will also be absolutely necessary and will happen in time, just like in Alaska.

Remember lots of people live in apartments or houses that have only on-street parking. They are going to need on-street charging.

10-04-2017 10:05AM

Yep and AC will massively out number DC in my opinion.

My Brother for instance, the management agency said he can have his charge point but he'd have to cable to the meter which is very far so he can tap into a suitable point where there is sufficient power, however the problem is that it would have to be a communal based system where everyone pays for the electricity and no management agency is going to agree to this or rather the residents because most of them won't own a car and there are a lot of apartments rented. Getting the management agency to agree to do anything he said is a huge challenge and stressful so getting residents to pay for his electricity simply won't happen.

For apartment owners there needs to be a better solution and one that is implemented in Law to make charging a right , however, I can't see another way other than the communal route. This is where you'd need much faster charging capable cars and chargers capable of 300 odd Kw before it's feasible for these unfortunate people who will be stuck with petrol and diesel for many years to come.

I'd like to see more work places install charge points.

n97 mini · 10-04-2017 10:13AM

unkel wrote: »

Aren't there loads of Leaf taxis that have been charging numerous times a day for years (without issue)?

There's now the EV equivalent of battery clocking too. Read recently about a person who bought a used Leaf. Battery health at 12 bars. 6 weeks later is was at 8.

10-04-2017 10:16AM

Don't know how they could tamper with the BMS. With the Odometer yeah but the BMS, I don't think so. I've never known the battery to go from 12-8 bars unless there was an issue with some of the cells then perhaps.

isnottheword · 10-04-2017 10:17AM

A Leaf Spy check would reveal all in any event.

Mope · 10-04-2017 10:21AM

Can someone please translate this to English for me? This is a letter re Charger installation replied to me:

"<...> By law the upgrade would have to be carried out by a safe electric registered electrician and a system should be put in place to ensure you do not break your Maximum Import Capacity (MIC). Alternatively you could increase your MIC to cover such a large increase in load but this could be expensive. <...> "

This MIC thing is what I should be worried about only if I have Electric showers (which I don't), correct?

isnottheword · 10-04-2017 10:23AM

Mope wrote: »

This MIC thing is what I should be worried about only if I have Electric showers (which I don't), correct?

Careful now - don't mention <electric showers> on here or we'll go off on a tangent!:D

I wouldn't worry too much about it. Discuss with your sparks at time of install.

n97 mini · 10-04-2017 10:27AM

Deleted User wrote: »

Don't know how they could tamper with the BMS. With the Odometer yeah but the BMS, I don't think so. I've never known the battery to go from 12-8 bars unless there was an issue with some of the cells then perhaps.

Reset the BMS and it starts out at 12 bars. After a while it "learns" what the battery is really like. This happens with warranty replacements as the replacements aren't brand new.

Mope · 10-04-2017 10:28AM

Noted, thanks isnottheword

n97 mini · 10-04-2017 10:32AM

Mope wrote: »

Can someone please translate this to English for me? This is a letter re Charger installation replied to me:

"<...> By law the upgrade would have to be carried out by a safe electric registered electrician and a system should be put in place to ensure you do not break your Maximum Import Capacity (MIC). Alternatively you could increase your MIC to cover such a large increase in load but this could be expensive. <...> "

This MIC thing is what I should be worried about only if I have Electric showers (which I don't), correct?

Using MIC is a little bit woolly, but you've pretty much got it. It's making sure you don't exceed the draw the main fuse (65A) can take. If you've no real heavy users of power then you've nothing to worry about. Generally if it's used to create lots of heat it's a heavy user.

10-04-2017 10:33AM

n97 mini wrote: »

Reset the BMS and it starts out at 12 bars. After a while it "learns" what the battery is really like. This happens with warranty replacements as the replacements aren't brand new.

All the more reason to avoid private sales and back street dealers then.

KCross · 10-04-2017 10:34AM

Mope wrote: »

Can someone please translate this to English for me? This is a letter re Charger installation replied to me:

"<...> By law the upgrade would have to be carried out by a safe electric registered electrician and a system should be put in place to ensure you do not break your Maximum Import Capacity (MIC). Alternatively you could increase your MIC to cover such a large increase in load but this could be expensive. <...> "

This MIC thing is what I should be worried about only if I have Electric showers (which I don't), correct?

A standard electric connection for domestic house is 12kVA. They are basically saying you should not exceed that when you add more devices to the house and adding a 7kW EVSE is a significant addition.

Do you have a heat pump for heating the house or are you oil/gas heating?

You are probably OK if you dont have a heat pump or an electric shower.

Mope · 10-04-2017 10:40AM

Thanks for the input. No I do not have high power drainers (no storage heating, no electric showers)

I have A2 or A3 house with Gas and Solar, dishwasher and washing machine, that's about all of my appliances, oh and a VERY loud water pump

So I am OK re MIC. One way or another I'd need qualified spark (or someone from here

) to upgrade (when I decide to) my Charge Point.

n97 mini · 10-04-2017 10:54AM

Is your cooker gas or electric?

unkel · 10-04-2017 10:59AM

bk wrote: »

if EV's are the future, then lots of on-street AC charging will also be absolutely necessary

I don't see that as the future at all. Having to get your cable out and plugging it in at 2 ends nearly every day? Sounds like a nightmare to me.

I'd like to think that in 5 years time a new budget EV has a battery of 60kWh, a range of over 400km and once in a while maybe once a week or once every two weeks, depending on your mileage (once a week would be a good bit more than the average Irish annual mileage) you'd fill up at a filling station which will take about 5-10 minutes and bill / debit you automatically. Exactly the same as ICE now, except you don't have to go inside to pay

And a bit further into the future: wireless charging with auto billing.

EVs are not just about saving the environment and saving money, they should make your life easier. Or at least not harder. The constant messing with cables sounds like a terrible idea to me. Necessary for some people today, but please let's get rid of them in the future

Hyundai Ioniq 28kWh

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