eGolf

unkel · 15-02-2017 12:21am #1

Bjørn Nyland's lastest winter test - the eGolf

Part 1
Part 2

His conclusions are: nice car, well made, comfortable, high quality, quiet, drives well. Doesn't look like an EV, but instrument panel not very suitable for EV. Cold weather range is only 70-80km, which of course is very poor, and the lack of heat pump is a serious issue when your range is already very low. Would suit people who rarely go far.

The car is obviously a good few years old and there are other threads here on the eGolf, but I didn't want to revive an old one.

Ronan Raver77 · 15-02-2017 12:41am

Driving a 1.6 Ice Golf now..Would love to upgrade when my loan is up in two years but they seem to be way behind the curve. Zoe etc have plenty a head start. Id need 300km full charge on a eGolf minimum to make it my first ev. Hopefully they get the finger out!! If i had the budget first option would be a Tesla but i won't rush into anything for two years possibly.

15-02-2017 1:25pm

2018 should see the first of 300 Km range electrics, hopefully. The Ioniq can I believe do 250 Kms at a stretch not driving more I'd say than about 80-100 Kph and will hopefully have a larger battery. Nissan Leaf II should be here by then again, hopefully.

15-02-2017 1:28pm

The Egolf is due a battery upgrade this year too. Probably reach 200 odd kms.

It's over priced, VW don't want to sell electrics, not in Europe at least. They will in the U.S now that they know diesels are not acceptable any more. No one seems to care about diesel emissions in Europe so they will keep sell their TDI rubbish in Europe.

Ronan Raver77 · 16-02-2017 12:21am

Deleted User wrote: »

2018 should see the first of 300 Km range electrics, hopefully. The Ioniq can I believe do 250 Kms at a stretch not driving more I'd say than about 80-100 Kph and will hopefully have a larger battery. Nissan Leaf II should be here by then again, hopefully.

First preference would be the Golf but if they are too expensive and others leap in front.. no VW for me. Pity they aren't throwing a lot behind EV maybe because of the huge fines for the scandal!!?

cros13 · 16-02-2017 12:57am

Base price for an eGolf is €2k more than a better equipped BMW i3 which has more range, 40kW more motor power, weighs almost 400kg less and has a bigger cabin.

'nuff said really...

On the other hand in norway the eGolf is only €3k more than the base petrol golf, better equipped and can even be priced lower after discounts.... but in Ireland... nope, just nope

16-02-2017 10:34am

Ronan Raver77 wrote: »

First preference would be the Golf but if they are too expensive and others leap in front.. no VW for me. Pity they aren't throwing a lot behind EV maybe because of the huge fines for the scandal!!?

VW are in some ways spending money on EV, they know they have to in the U.S but in Europe there's no political incentive to change because in Germany and France there is not nearly enough political pressure for car companies to change and the the Italians like Fiat and Alfa are not interested in EV.

Any talk of stricter emissions regulations in the E.U has car companies screaming, "we can't do it" there'll be thousands of job losses" and then nothing changes and I only heard of talk about real life emissions testing but no action. I've heard of diesel bans but no action.

If VW had invested all that Billions into EV's the company could have had some seriously good electrics by now but as with most companies it's not that they can't do it , they won't do it because they are only interested in profit, it's not about making money, investors want more, more , more, never enough and then they want to spend less and less and making ICE's is what makes them Billions in profit and that's all they care about, not innovation any more, just profit.

KCross · 16-02-2017 12:31pm

Deleted User wrote: »

VW are in some ways spending money on EV, they know they have to in the U.S but in Europe there's no political incentive to change because in Germany and France there is not nearly enough political pressure for car companies to change and the the Italians like Fiat and Alfa are not interested in EV.

Any talk of stricter emissions regulations in the E.U has car companies screaming, "we can't do it" there'll be thousands of job losses" and then nothing changes and I only heard of talk about real life emissions testing but no action. I've heard of diesel bans but no action.

If VW had invested all that Billions into EV's the company could have had some seriously good electrics by now but as with most companies it's not that they can't do it , they won't do it because they are only interested in profit, it's not about making money, investors want more, more , more, never enough and then they want to spend less and less and making ICE's is what makes them Billions in profit and that's all they care about, not innovation any more, just profit.

Thats a good rant Mad_Lad but thats capitalism and is nothing new. No company exists for the common good. They exist for profit and even more so for the very large companies.

Tesla might be an exception but Tesla is coming from a very different starting point.

The only thing that will cause the change is government policy and then people voting with their feet and their euros.

I dont blame the companies at all. Its the politicans fault and we elect them.

16-02-2017 1:02pm

Yes it's the politics that is a good part of the issue mainly at E.U level.

Guess who holds the most seats in the E.U parliament ? it wouldn't be one of the largest car producing countries by any chance ? :-)

bk · 16-02-2017 3:00pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Yes it's the politics that is a good part of the issue mainly at E.U level.

Guess who holds the most seats in the E.U parliament ? it wouldn't be one of the largest car producing countries by any chance ? :-)

Your absolutely right, but I also think that VW, along with the other German manufacturers need to be very careful that they don't end up getting left behind.

The US certainly has no interest in Diesel and even less so since Diesel Gate. Many European cities are starting to either completely ban or at least curtail Diesel vehicles in the cities. Whether VW and the others like it or not, there is only one direction this is all going to go.

This all very much reminds me of the start of the Smart Phone market. Back then you had Nokia being by far the number one phone manufacturer, a great European company that dominated the market. But they didn't react fast enough and definitely enough to the emergence of the iPhone, they were far too protectionist. And look what happened, Nokia wiped out and replaced by Apple from the US and a bunch of Korean and Chinese companies.

I can see all this possibly happening again, just replace Apple with Tesla taking the premium market and a bunch of Asian companies (LG, Samsung, Nissan, Hyundai, etc.) taking the rest of the market.

I'd actually hate to see this happen, as I do think it is good and important to have strong European companies. But they need to hurry up and take the EV and self driving revolutions seriously or they will be left behind.

NIMAN · 20-02-2017 6:03pm

Article on the Sindo about the facelifted Gilf range for 2017

http://www.independent.ie/life/motoring/car-reviews/midlife-facelift-as-vw-golf-adds-new-tech-delights-35462967.html

Mentions "Hybrid and electric models are also available. The e-Golf claims 50pc increase in range, up to 300km, but in reality a figure of 200/220km may be more realistic. The plug-in hybrids claim up to 50kg on pure electric power"

cros13 · 23-02-2017 10:34am

The new 35.8kWh e-Golf just got an official EPA rating of 202km.

In other news, it's still slow, cramped and unjustifiably expensive.

zilog_jones · 23-02-2017 10:41am

NIMAN wrote: »

The plug-in hybrids claim up to 50kg on pure electric power"

Typical Indo quality

:):rolleyes:

23-02-2017 1:16pm

cros13 wrote: »

The new 35.8kWh e-Golf just got an official EPA rating of 202km.

In other news, it's still slow, cramped and unjustifiably expensive.

The Egolf is priced not to sell. VW make tonnes more money on TDI's .

How VW can justify their higher prices today is beyond me but I suppose people like them and will pay for them.

I wonder what the EPA would rate the Ioniq ?

I'd imagine the Ioniq to be just as fast as the Golf ?

I hate this one power option only model with electric cars !

unkel · 23-02-2017 1:16pm

cros13 wrote: »

The new 35.8kWh e-Golf just got an official EPA rating of 202km.

Same as the Ioniq. Not bad. Price in Ireland?

23-02-2017 1:58pm

The Ioniq didn't get an EPA rating did it ?

unkel · 23-02-2017 2:22pm

Yes it did. 200km (124miles)

Linky

cros13 · 23-02-2017 2:23pm

Deleted User wrote: »

The Ioniq didn't get an EPA rating did it ?

200km. So for €6-7k more than the Ioniq you can get an e-Golf with:

a 5.8kWh larger battery
that only goes 2km further
3kW less motor power
weighs ~120kg more
is a full second slower to 100km/h
has a 20km/h lower top speed limiter
has a smaller boot

And you get the bonus of the customer service of Volkswagen dealers like the one in Dublin that, despite the €36k bank draft in my pocket, kept me waiting for over an hour for a "sales specialist", insisted that I was incorrect about the specs and refused me a test drive.

unkel · 23-02-2017 2:35pm

And probably a lot less spec and less warranty. But it's a Golf. Let's be realistic. Depreciation will be a lot lower than the Ioniq. €7k is a big premium though. Or is it even more taking into account the Hyundai €4k scrappage? What's the RRP of the Golf with the new battery?

cros13 · 23-02-2017 3:57pm

unkel wrote: »

is it even more taking into account the Hyundai €4k scrappage? What's the RRP of the Golf with the new battery?

A lot more, OTR in Ireland will exceed €36,000, possibly approach €40k, depending on the option loadout VW decide on.
Old model is €34,145. So... you can see why they are not selling.

23-02-2017 11:23pm

unkel wrote: »

And probably a lot less spec and less warranty. But it's a Golf. Let's be realistic. Depreciation will be a lot lower than the Ioniq. €7k is a big premium though. Or is it even more taking into account the Hyundai €4k scrappage? What's the RRP of the Golf with the new battery?

Don't count on depreciation being a lot lower on a Golf EV in Ireland. Nissan dealers want nothing to do with the leaf by offering completely made up resale values.

I expect VW to be the same.

23-02-2017 11:24pm

City range: 136,76 miles (220,1 km)

Highway range: 111,24 miles (179,02 km)

Combined city/highway range: 124 miles (199,56 km)

City efficiency: 150 MPGe (13,96 kWh/100 km)

Highway efficiency: 122 MPGe (17,16 kWh/100 km)

Combined city/highway efficiency: 136 MPGe (15,4 kWh/100 km)

That's close enough to what I observed in the Ioniq. 16.5 Kwh/100 Kms and 15.3 at 100-110 Kph.

It's a pity the Euro tests are so geared towards making car manufacturers pass tests rather than meet real emissions limits.

J.pilkington · 24-02-2017 6:21am

cros13 wrote: »

despite the €36k bank draft in my pocket, kept me waiting for over an hour for a "sales specialist", insisted that I was incorrect about the specs and refused me a test drive.

Why would you walk around with a €36k bank draft in your pocket when you are only looking for a test drive? You should probably consider doing some more research on what car you want before going to the effort of ordering a bank draft made out to a Volkswagen garage for a random amount of money and then looking for a test drive.

cros13 · 24-02-2017 12:56pm

J.pilkington wrote: »

Why would you walk around with a €36k bank draft in your pocket when you are only looking for a test drive? You should probably consider doing some more research on what car you want before going to the effort of ordering a bank draft made out to a Volkswagen garage for a random amount of money and then looking for a test drive.

Hypothetical bank draft. I wasn't financing and was ready to put down a deposit on the day. I wasn't kidding around, I'd purchased €86k of EVs in the preceding 12 months.

DVIRW5N · 10-04-2017 11:56am

New eGolf is â‚¬34,890

goz83 · 10-04-2017 1:18pm

DVIRW5N wrote: »

New eGolf is â‚¬34,890

before, or after Grants?

unkel · 10-04-2017 7:07pm

Seriously? You didn't really think it was going to be cheaper than a Hyundai Ioniq, did you?

After grants.

goz83 · 10-04-2017 7:39pm

unkel wrote: »

Seriously? You didn't really think it was going to be cheaper than a Hyundai Ioniq, did you?

After grants.

No, but making assumptions can lead to

unkel · 10-04-2017 9:58pm

I only made assumptions too. Had a quick look on the VW site, but couldn't find the price there

It's expensive alright if you think that the Tesla Model 3 would only be 4 or 5 grand more. I do suspect you can get a substantial discount off the Golf though.

noelf · 11-04-2017 1:39pm

DVIRW5N wrote: »

New eGolf is â‚¬34,890

With delivery charges plus metallic €36279 .. It has no chance .. Hyundai has the market cornered here until at least the end of the year when the new Leaf should show up ..

unkel · 11-04-2017 8:55pm

Well Hyundai don't have the market cornered as they can't supply the cars!

Shefwedfan · 12-04-2017 3:36pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FJ9GF4UtAPQ&feature=youtu.be&t=5m42s

Review of new eGolf here.....

14-04-2017 5:05pm

unkel wrote: »

Well Hyundai don't have the market cornered as they can't supply the cars!

I don't think it's a matter of can't but more like won't.

unkel · 14-04-2017 11:24pm

What makes you think that? Iirc the problem is they can't get enough batteries, so they can't make enough cars.

14-04-2017 11:25pm

You sure about that ?

unkel · 15-04-2017 12:02am

No, I'm not sure

But it does seem plausible. Didn't cros13 confirm this recently - and he has inside knowledge of the industry.

Are you sure Hyundai don't want to make more Ioniqs?

That sure as hell does not seem plausible. Every extra car sold is adding to your profit. The aim of any commercial entity is to maximise profits. The demand is there, so why not fulfill it and make lots of profit?

peposhi · 15-04-2017 2:47am

unkel wrote: »

No, I'm not sure

But it does seem plausible. Didn't cros13 confirm this recently - and he has inside knowledge of the industry.

Are you sure Hyundai don't want to make more Ioniqs? That sure as hell does not seem plausible. Every extra car sold is adding to your profit. The aim of any commercial entity is to maximise profits. The demand is there, so why not fulfill it and make lots of profit?

What profit is Hyundai making on each EV sold?
ICE cars margins are quite low, what would be for the Ioniq or eGolf or Leaf?

unkel · 15-04-2017 2:55am

I have no idea. Good question though!

ICE car margins are quite low for low end cars like petrol and diesel Hyundais, Toyotas etc. I can assure you margins are not low on superior cars like BMWs and Porsches

Shefwedfan · 05-06-2017 10:24pm

VW are pumping a lot of money into Electric recently, looks like they are getting some results. This could be sparky's replacement

http://pushevs.com/2017/06/05/volkswagen-e-golf-8-get-48-kwh-battery/

05-06-2017 10:39pm

48 Kwh by 2019 and Renault are already at 40 Kwh pretty damn pathetic !

unkel · 06-06-2017 12:36am

Deleted User wrote: »

48 Kwh by 2019 and Renault are already at 40 Kwh pretty damn pathetic !

40kWh? Yeah on paper.

If you can't even get 5km real life per kWh battery in a small car in winter time, you are doing it wrong (Zoe 41kWh tested as having less than 200km winter range)

VW gets over 200km EPA out of the current 36kWh pack in the Golf. A decent figure, which will increase to 300km with a 48kWh pack.

06-06-2017 8:06am

Zoe owner's are lucky we don't have such cold winters in Ireland then !

Shefwedfan · 06-06-2017 8:15am

Deleted User wrote: »

48 Kwh by 2019 and Renault are already at 40 Kwh pretty damn pathetic !

The main point to make here

The eGolf doesn't look like a Renault Clio or Nissan Micra

The Leaf was released in 2011, it took till 2016 and they went from 24 to 30kWh. Not very impressive...

e-Golf was released in 2015(26.5kWh), already has had a new battery(35.8) this year. 2 years and good progress. Don't see how that is pathetic?

Electric cars will never overtaken standard cars with options limited to a Micra & Clio

06-06-2017 1:31pm

It's a pity they don't make larger ev's and estates, seven seaters etc. They'll make small cars and focus on headline range and efficiency figures over practicality.

KCross · 06-06-2017 2:02pm

Deleted User wrote: »

It's a pity they don't make larger ev's and estates, seven seaters etc. They'll make small cars and focus on headline range and efficiency figures over practicality.

If they made that car for you you would either be complaining that it has crap range due to small battery or ridiculously expensive due to large battery! :P

06-06-2017 2:34pm

They got to start somewhere.......

An estate doesn't need to be much more expensive.

la ultima guagua · 06-06-2017 3:29pm

Deleted User wrote: »

They got to start somewhere.......

An estate doesn't need to be much more expensive.

An estate with an option of a second battery pack

Oh yes, Please !

unkel · 07-06-2017 3:35pm

Shefwedfan wrote: »

e-Golf was released in 2015(26.5kWh), already has had a new battery(35.8) this year. 2 years and good progress.

One would almost think that the dieselgate scandal might be the saving of VW rather than its demise! It's a pity they are forced to pay such exorbitant fines. Last time they forced the Germans to do that, it didn't end up very well for the world.

Abandoning the diesel and embracing EV. VAG is a massive company with usually strong leadership (think Ferdinand Piech - one of automotive's giants). They could come out well on the other side.

unkel · 07-10-2017 10:09pm

Fully charged. Good review of a good car.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ah4lrqWx8E0

8 year warranty? That's new to me. Longest warranty in the car industry? £27k is a very reasonable price. Pity it's so expensive over here.

cros13 · 08-10-2017 1:35am

unkel wrote: »

8 year warranty? That's new to me. Longest warranty in the car industry?

That's just the 8 year / 160,000km battery warranty... same as the Leaf. And your Ioniq has an 8 year / 200,000km battery warranty.

billy few mates · 08-10-2017 12:32pm

Nice car alright but they’re just too expensive here at the moment but one day maybe.

I originally didn’t think I could manage a full EV like this but the more I thought about it the more I realised I probably could. There are one or two long drives I do, not frequently but often enough to have to consider and I decided for those trips I could either take a different car (which would be a shame) or plan the route to factor in the charges that would be needed.

I was just wondering what would happen if my planning failed and I found myself at a charging Station that was out of commission or unavailable or simply ran out of charge before I got there? Does this ever happen to anyone on here and if so what can you do about it? Would a breakdown assist take you to another charging station, can you tow these cars? Is there any ‘backup system’ in the country to rescue stranded EV drivers who find themselves stuck?

eGolf

Comments