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  • 15-02-2017 12:21am
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    Moderators, Category Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 58,858 CMod ✭✭✭✭ unkel


    Bjørn Nyland's lastest winter test - the eGolf

    Part 1
    Part 2

    His conclusions are: nice car, well made, comfortable, high quality, quiet, drives well. Doesn't look like an EV, but instrument panel not very suitable for EV. Cold weather range is only 70-80km, which of course is very poor, and the lack of heat pump is a serious issue when your range is already very low. Would suit people who rarely go far.

    The car is obviously a good few years old and there are other threads here on the eGolf, but I didn't want to revive an old one.

    "Wind is Ireland's oil" - An Taoiseach, 25/05/2022



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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,461 ✭✭✭ Ronan Raver77


    Driving a 1.6 Ice Golf now..Would love to upgrade when my loan is up in two years but they seem to be way behind the curve. Zoe etc have plenty a head start. Id need 300km full charge on a eGolf minimum to make it my first ev. Hopefully they get the finger out!! If i had the budget first option would be a Tesla but i won't rush into anything for two years possibly.


  • Registered Users Posts: 21,377 ✭✭✭✭ Mad_Lad


    2018 should see the first of 300 Km range electrics, hopefully. The Ioniq can I believe do 250 Kms at a stretch not driving more I'd say than about 80-100 Kph and will hopefully have a larger battery. Nissan Leaf II should be here by then again, hopefully.


  • Registered Users Posts: 21,377 ✭✭✭✭ Mad_Lad


    The Egolf is due a battery upgrade this year too. Probably reach 200 odd kms.

    It's over priced, VW don't want to sell electrics, not in Europe at least. They will in the U.S now that they know diesels are not acceptable any more. No one seems to care about diesel emissions in Europe so they will keep sell their TDI rubbish in Europe.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,461 ✭✭✭ Ronan Raver77


    Mad_Lad wrote: »
    2018 should see the first of 300 Km range electrics, hopefully. The Ioniq can I believe do 250 Kms at a stretch not driving more I'd say than about 80-100 Kph and will hopefully have a larger battery. Nissan Leaf II should be here by then again, hopefully.

    First preference would be the Golf but if they are too expensive and others leap in front.. no VW for me. Pity they aren't throwing a lot behind EV maybe because of the huge fines for the scandal!!?


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,270 ✭✭✭ cros13


    Base price for an eGolf is €2k more than a better equipped BMW i3 which has more range, 40kW more motor power, weighs almost 400kg less and has a bigger cabin.

    'nuff said really...

    On the other hand in norway the eGolf is only €3k more than the base petrol golf, better equipped and can even be priced lower after discounts.... but in Ireland... nope, just nope


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  • Registered Users Posts: 21,377 ✭✭✭✭ Mad_Lad


    First preference would be the Golf but if they are too expensive and others leap in front.. no VW for me. Pity they aren't throwing a lot behind EV maybe because of the huge fines for the scandal!!?

    VW are in some ways spending money on EV, they know they have to in the U.S but in Europe there's no political incentive to change because in Germany and France there is not nearly enough political pressure for car companies to change and the the Italians like Fiat and Alfa are not interested in EV.

    Any talk of stricter emissions regulations in the E.U has car companies screaming, "we can't do it" there'll be thousands of job losses" and then nothing changes and I only heard of talk about real life emissions testing but no action. I've heard of diesel bans but no action.

    If VW had invested all that Billions into EV's the company could have had some seriously good electrics by now but as with most companies it's not that they can't do it , they won't do it because they are only interested in profit, it's not about making money, investors want more, more , more, never enough and then they want to spend less and less and making ICE's is what makes them Billions in profit and that's all they care about, not innovation any more, just profit.


  • Registered Users Posts: 11,199 ✭✭✭✭ KCross


    Mad_Lad wrote: »
    VW are in some ways spending money on EV, they know they have to in the U.S but in Europe there's no political incentive to change because in Germany and France there is not nearly enough political pressure for car companies to change and the the Italians like Fiat and Alfa are not interested in EV.

    Any talk of stricter emissions regulations in the E.U has car companies screaming, "we can't do it" there'll be thousands of job losses" and then nothing changes and I only heard of talk about real life emissions testing but no action. I've heard of diesel bans but no action.

    If VW had invested all that Billions into EV's the company could have had some seriously good electrics by now but as with most companies it's not that they can't do it , they won't do it because they are only interested in profit, it's not about making money, investors want more, more , more, never enough and then they want to spend less and less and making ICE's is what makes them Billions in profit and that's all they care about, not innovation any more, just profit.


    Thats a good rant Mad_Lad but thats capitalism and is nothing new. No company exists for the common good. They exist for profit and even more so for the very large companies.

    Tesla might be an exception but Tesla is coming from a very different starting point.

    The only thing that will cause the change is government policy and then people voting with their feet and their euros.

    I dont blame the companies at all. Its the politicans fault and we elect them.


  • Registered Users Posts: 21,377 ✭✭✭✭ Mad_Lad


    Yes it's the politics that is a good part of the issue mainly at E.U level.

    Guess who holds the most seats in the E.U parliament ? it wouldn't be one of the largest car producing countries by any chance ? :-)


  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 20,995 Mod ✭✭✭✭ bk


    Mad_Lad wrote: »
    Yes it's the politics that is a good part of the issue mainly at E.U level.

    Guess who holds the most seats in the E.U parliament ? it wouldn't be one of the largest car producing countries by any chance ? :-)

    Your absolutely right, but I also think that VW, along with the other German manufacturers need to be very careful that they don't end up getting left behind.

    The US certainly has no interest in Diesel and even less so since Diesel Gate. Many European cities are starting to either completely ban or at least curtail Diesel vehicles in the cities. Whether VW and the others like it or not, there is only one direction this is all going to go.

    This all very much reminds me of the start of the Smart Phone market. Back then you had Nokia being by far the number one phone manufacturer, a great European company that dominated the market. But they didn't react fast enough and definitely enough to the emergence of the iPhone, they were far too protectionist. And look what happened, Nokia wiped out and replaced by Apple from the US and a bunch of Korean and Chinese companies.

    I can see all this possibly happening again, just replace Apple with Tesla taking the premium market and a bunch of Asian companies (LG, Samsung, Nissan, Hyundai, etc.) taking the rest of the market.

    I'd actually hate to see this happen, as I do think it is good and important to have strong European companies. But they need to hurry up and take the EV and self driving revolutions seriously or they will be left behind.


  • Registered Users Posts: 29,345 ✭✭✭✭ NIMAN


    Article on the Sindo about the facelifted Gilf range for 2017

    http://www.independent.ie/life/motoring/car-reviews/midlife-facelift-as-vw-golf-adds-new-tech-delights-35462967.html

    Mentions "Hybrid and electric models are also available. The e-Golf claims 50pc increase in range, up to 300km, but in reality a figure of 200/220km may be more realistic. The plug-in hybrids claim up to 50kg on pure electric power"


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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,270 ✭✭✭ cros13


    The new 35.8kWh e-Golf just got an official EPA rating of 202km.

    In other news, it's still slow, cramped and unjustifiably expensive.


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,632 ✭✭✭ zilog_jones


    NIMAN wrote: »
    The plug-in hybrids claim up to 50kg on pure electric power"

    Typical Indo quality :):):rolleyes:


  • Registered Users Posts: 21,377 ✭✭✭✭ Mad_Lad


    cros13 wrote: »
    The new 35.8kWh e-Golf just got an official EPA rating of 202km.

    In other news, it's still slow, cramped and unjustifiably expensive.

    The Egolf is priced not to sell. VW make tonnes more money on TDI's .

    How VW can justify their higher prices today is beyond me but I suppose people like them and will pay for them.

    I wonder what the EPA would rate the Ioniq ?

    I'd imagine the Ioniq to be just as fast as the Golf ?

    I hate this one power option only model with electric cars !


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 58,858 CMod ✭✭✭✭ unkel


    cros13 wrote: »
    The new 35.8kWh e-Golf just got an official EPA rating of 202km.

    Same as the Ioniq. Not bad. Price in Ireland?

    "Wind is Ireland's oil" - An Taoiseach, 25/05/2022



  • Registered Users Posts: 21,377 ✭✭✭✭ Mad_Lad


    The Ioniq didn't get an EPA rating did it ?


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 58,858 CMod ✭✭✭✭ unkel


    Yes it did. 200km (124miles)

    Linky

    "Wind is Ireland's oil" - An Taoiseach, 25/05/2022



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,270 ✭✭✭ cros13


    Mad_Lad wrote: »
    The Ioniq didn't get an EPA rating did it ?

    200km. So for €6-7k more than the Ioniq you can get an e-Golf with:

    a 5.8kWh larger battery
    that only goes 2km further
    3kW less motor power
    weighs ~120kg more
    is a full second slower to 100km/h
    has a 20km/h lower top speed limiter
    has a smaller boot

    And you get the bonus of the customer service of Volkswagen dealers like the one in Dublin that, despite the €36k bank draft in my pocket, kept me waiting for over an hour for a "sales specialist", insisted that I was incorrect about the specs and refused me a test drive.


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 58,858 CMod ✭✭✭✭ unkel


    And probably a lot less spec and less warranty. But it's a Golf. Let's be realistic. Depreciation will be a lot lower than the Ioniq. €7k is a big premium though. Or is it even more taking into account the Hyundai €4k scrappage? What's the RRP of the Golf with the new battery?

    "Wind is Ireland's oil" - An Taoiseach, 25/05/2022



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,270 ✭✭✭ cros13


    unkel wrote: »
    is it even more taking into account the Hyundai €4k scrappage? What's the RRP of the Golf with the new battery?

    A lot more, OTR in Ireland will exceed €36,000, possibly approach €40k, depending on the option loadout VW decide on.
    Old model is €34,145. So... you can see why they are not selling.


  • Registered Users Posts: 21,377 ✭✭✭✭ Mad_Lad


    unkel wrote: »
    And probably a lot less spec and less warranty. But it's a Golf. Let's be realistic. Depreciation will be a lot lower than the Ioniq. €7k is a big premium though. Or is it even more taking into account the Hyundai €4k scrappage? What's the RRP of the Golf with the new battery?

    Don't count on depreciation being a lot lower on a Golf EV in Ireland. Nissan dealers want nothing to do with the leaf by offering completely made up resale values.

    I expect VW to be the same.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 21,377 ✭✭✭✭ Mad_Lad


    City range: 136,76 miles (220,1 km)

    Highway range: 111,24 miles (179,02 km)

    Combined city/highway range: 124 miles (199,56 km)



    City efficiency: 150 MPGe (13,96 kWh/100 km)

    Highway efficiency: 122 MPGe (17,16 kWh/100 km)

    Combined city/highway efficiency: 136 MPGe (15,4 kWh/100 km)

    That's close enough to what I observed in the Ioniq. 16.5 Kwh/100 Kms and 15.3 at 100-110 Kph.

    It's a pity the Euro tests are so geared towards making car manufacturers pass tests rather than meet real emissions limits.


  • Users Awaiting Email Confirmation Posts: 1,334 J.pilkington


    cros13 wrote: »
    despite the €36k bank draft in my pocket, kept me waiting for over an hour for a "sales specialist", insisted that I was incorrect about the specs and refused me a test drive.

    Why would you walk around with a €36k bank draft in your pocket when you are only looking for a test drive? You should probably consider doing some more research on what car you want before going to the effort of ordering a bank draft made out to a Volkswagen garage for a random amount of money and then looking for a test drive.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,270 ✭✭✭ cros13


    Why would you walk around with a €36k bank draft in your pocket when you are only looking for a test drive? You should probably consider doing some more research on what car you want before going to the effort of ordering a bank draft made out to a Volkswagen garage for a random amount of money and then looking for a test drive.

    Hypothetical bank draft. I wasn't financing and was ready to put down a deposit on the day. I wasn't kidding around, I'd purchased €86k of EVs in the preceding 12 months.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2 DVIRW5N


    New eGolf is €34,890


  • Registered Users Posts: 8,034 ✭✭✭ goz83


    DVIRW5N wrote: »
    New eGolf is €34,890

    before, or after Grants?


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 58,858 CMod ✭✭✭✭ unkel


    Seriously? You didn't really think it was going to be cheaper than a Hyundai Ioniq, did you? :p

    After grants.

    "Wind is Ireland's oil" - An Taoiseach, 25/05/2022



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,034 ✭✭✭ goz83


    unkel wrote: »
    Seriously? You didn't really think it was going to be cheaper than a Hyundai Ioniq, did you? :p

    After grants.

    No, but making assumptions can lead to :o


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 58,858 CMod ✭✭✭✭ unkel


    I only made assumptions too. Had a quick look on the VW site, but couldn't find the price there :)

    It's expensive alright if you think that the Tesla Model 3 would only be 4 or 5 grand more. I do suspect you can get a substantial discount off the Golf though.

    "Wind is Ireland's oil" - An Taoiseach, 25/05/2022



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,068 ✭✭✭ noelf


    DVIRW5N wrote: »
    New eGolf is €34,890

    With delivery charges plus metallic €36279 .. It has no chance .. Hyundai has the market cornered here until at least the end of the year when the new Leaf should show up ..


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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 58,858 CMod ✭✭✭✭ unkel


    Well Hyundai don't have the market cornered as they can't supply the cars!

    "Wind is Ireland's oil" - An Taoiseach, 25/05/2022



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