Truck driven into crowd in Stockholm - No Speculation

Nody · 07-04-2017 06:42PM

Rightwing wrote: »

Highly unlikely, but if it is you are on the ball, no question about that.

Agree it is highly unlikely but the same ISIS attack did the round when the truck in Barcelona with gas bottles was hurtling the wrong way down the road as well which turned out to be a Swede (Christian with mental issues); hence I could see a Spanish national with mental issues deciding to get back at Sweden as well (unlikely but possible).

BoatMad · 07-04-2017 06:44PM

Mutant z wrote: »

Angela Merkel and her ilk have blood on their hands for opening the door for these savages, who are now causing mayhem across Europe.

yet the vast ,majority of attacks, have been carried out by citizens of European countries, how do you square that with your comments

Nody · 07-04-2017 06:45PM

Mutant z wrote: »

Angela Merkel and her ilk have blood on their hands for opening the door for these savages, who are now causing mayhem across Europe.

Seriously? The by far highest kill rate by terrorist attacks is domestic based terrorists like ETA etc. Here's the deaths by terrorist attacks in all of Europe:

Notice where the spikes are is not when the immigrations were high?

Rightwing · 07-04-2017 06:49PM

Nody wrote: »

Agree it is highly unlikely but the same ISIS attack did the round when the truck in Barcelona with gas bottles was hurtling the wrong way down the road as well which turned out to be a Swede (Christian with mental issues); hence I could see a Spanish national with mental issues deciding to get back at Sweden as well (unlikely but possible).

Did he do it on purpose ? Didn't hear about that nutter.

Help!!!! · 07-04-2017 06:49PM

Nody wrote: »

Seriously? The by far highest kill rate by terrorist attacks is domestic based terrorists like ETA etc. Here's the deaths by terrorist attacks in all of Europe:

Notice where the spikes are is not when the immigrations were high?

You cannot compare the 70s/80s with whats going on now. Look at the graph from 9/11 attack & then compare

Snake Plisken · 07-04-2017 06:49PM

Nody wrote: »

So much misinformation; so little time. First of all no shots where fired; the Swedish police has specifically gone out and disclaimed that. Secondly; no one has been arrested for the crime so once again the claims of this being tunisian is a lie since the suspect has not been identified (two people have been taken for questioning but are not under arrest). Third there was ONE person in the truck as seen by the witnesses on site; once again no mass planning but lone wolf copy cat being the most likely answer but for all we know it could be Spanish retribution for the Swede who drove the wrong way with gas bottles in Barcelona in February this year.

You're reaching now Spanish retribution really lol! All these lone wolves have one thing in common Islam!

taylor3 · 07-04-2017 06:50PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

The driver is not in custody according to RTE.

According to RTE, LOL. gets bad if you rely on RTE to keep you up to date. The state of them.

BoatMad · 07-04-2017 06:51PM

taylor3 wrote: »

According to RTE, LOL. gets bad if you rely on RTE to keep you up to date. The state of them.

your soo right, OMG , better you listen to Judge Judie instead roight

Snake Plisken · 07-04-2017 06:52PM

BoatMad wrote: »

yet the vast ,majority of attacks, have been carried out by citizens of European countries, how do you square that with your comments

Because they are West hating Muslims who don't class themselves as Europeans!

Irish Praetorian · 07-04-2017 06:52PM

Nody wrote: »

Seriously? The by far highest kill rate by terrorist attacks is domestic based terrorists like ETA etc. Here's the deaths by terrorist attacks in all of Europe:

Notice where the spikes are is not when the immigrations were high?

Again, I don't think you can make a compelling argument against Islamist terrorism simply by arguing to people that things were worse so many decades before they were born. People will invariably want to deal with the terrorism that is affecting them in the here and now. In addition, if you look at the issues surrounding the acts of violence, it's quite clear that people have deeper worries about the Islamist threat than sporadic acts of violence.

BoatMad · 07-04-2017 06:53PM

Snake Plisken wrote: »

Because they are West hating Muslims who don't class themselves as Europeans!

I was asking the poster where the issue was recent refugees when the recent actions were the actions of often 2nd generation citizens

Why do you think they hate the west ?

taylor3 · 07-04-2017 06:54PM

Too Tough To Die wrote: »

Something needs to be done about these trucks.

Something needs to be done about European Governments and their crazy immigration carry on.

BoatMad · 07-04-2017 06:56PM

taylor3 wrote: »

Something needs to be done about European Governments and their crazy immigration carry on.

yet those immigrants are not the ones involved in the actions , most are native born or long term residents

Il Fascista · 07-04-2017 06:56PM

BoatMad wrote: »

I was asking the poster where the issue was recent refugees when the recent actions were the actions of often 2nd generation citizens

Why do you think they hate the west ?

Because they hate our way of life, and want to destroy it. It's that simple.

BoatMad · 07-04-2017 06:57PM

Il Fascista wrote: »

Because they hate our way of life, and want to destroy it. It's that simple.

OMG, you mean they cant buy a washing machine , so they drive through a shopping mall, or along a boulevard

well Ill be dammed ,

Gavinz · 07-04-2017 06:57PM

"SING IT LOUD
SING IT CLEAR
REFUGEES ARE WELCOME HERE"

They'll kill our kids, kill our gays, the evil West must change it's ways.

:rolleyes:

Beyondgone · 07-04-2017 06:57PM

Being a bit rubbish at Terrorism doesn't diminish the abhorrent nature of Terrorism.

The question isn't why there are so many Terrorist attacks - it's a given that a certain section of the Muslim "diaspora" despises and wishes to harm Westerners - the question is how are they so rubbish at it? Possibly there's a theme of shambolic disarray, infighting and general ineffectiveness that runs through all facets?

Dragging innocent civilians into any act of "Aggression" turns my stomach, whether it is the US bombing civilians or rag-taggle misfit, ideologically brainwashed "Terrorists" ramming people out shopping, with a lorry. If you want a fight, pick Military targets. That goes for both/all/any sides imo. Running people who are going about their daily business down with a vehicle makes you a deranged cnut in my eyes, not a Freedom fighter or Terrorist.

jmayo · 07-04-2017 06:58PM

BoatMad wrote: »

We have four types immigrants

(a) EU nationals, we cannot force anyone to learn anything , we can certainly offer support etc, but we cant force it

(b) Legal Immigrants from outside the EU. This is actually a very small number

(c) Illegal immigrants , again a small number

(d) Asylum seekers, being processed to legal stay or deportation

I am just going to say it.

No unvetted VISA approved immigrants, no refugees, no asylum seekers from Muslim majority countries especially in Middle East, North Africa or Central Asia.
Even if it is only 0.05% that turn out to be fanatics intent on killing in their new countries, even if it is only 1% who support terrorists, even if it is only 20% who support sharia law, even if it is only 40% who think being homosexual should be a crime, it doesn't matter.
All that matters is we are inviting trouble into our countries.

Those percentages mean some possible trouble now in the short term, but mean even more trouble down the line as has been shown in every country that has had 2nd and 3rd generation homegrown islamist attacks.

We should learn from the mistakes of others, not fooking repeat them or compound them.

BoatMad wrote: »

nonsense , utter nonsense . Islam is at its base a peaceful religion , The Catholic church , now that was different, it killed all around it

Are you seriously saying the spread of islam firstly throughout the Arabian peninsula, then throughout the Middle East, across North Africa, into Asia and indeed into Europe was peaceful ?

The spread of islam was only ever stopped by defeating muslim armies or maybe the Battle of Poitiers/tours, the Battle of Vienna mean nothing to you.

Kermit.de.frog · 07-04-2017 06:58PM

I take it the people here advocating restrictions on Muslim immigration would have had no problem with severe restrictions on Irish immigration to the UK when the halfwits in the IRA were planting bombs?

Danzy · 07-04-2017 06:58PM

BoatMad wrote: »

I was asking the poster where the issue was recent refugees when the recent actions were the actions of often 2nd generation citizens

Why do you think they hate the west ?

They have always been open on why they attack, the obligation to fight unbelievers, the state of sin that so many in the West live in, ie women independent, alcohol, fornication, partying, music, gay rights etc.

taylor3 · 07-04-2017 06:58PM

BoatMad wrote: »

I was asking the poster where the issue was recent refugees when the recent actions were the actions of often 2nd generation citizens

Why do you think they hate the west ?

I think they hate the west because we (in general) drink, gamble, believe in God, believe in no God, wear what clothes we want, have sex outside of marriage, same sex marriage, the list goes on and on. All the values we hold dear they detest.

RustyNut · 07-04-2017 06:59PM

taylor3 wrote: »

Something needs to be done about European Governments and their crazy immigration carry on.

Yea that oul democracy stuff just not working....

BoatMad · 07-04-2017 07:02PM

Beyondgone wrote: »

Being a bit rubbish at Terrorism doesn't diminish the abhorrent nature of Terrorism.

The question isn't why there are so many Terrorist attacks - it's a given that a certain section of the Muslim "diaspora" despises and wishes to harm Westerners - the question is how are they so rubbish at it? Possibly there's a theme of shambolic disarray, infighting and general ineffectiveness that runs through all facets?

Dragging innocent civilians into any act of "Aggression" turns my stomach, whether it is the US bombing civilians or rag-taggle misfit, ideologically brainwashed "Terrorists" ramming people out shopping, with a lorry. If you want a fight, pick Military targets. That goes for both/all/any sides imo. Running people who are going about their daily business down with a vehicle makes you a deranged cnut in my eyes, not a Freedom fighter or Terrorist.

There is a reason , that " activists " target innocent civilians, as much as the Cenotaph bombing or the Nice attacks. Firstly its easy for a lobe person to cause maximum effect, since a long person trying too attack a military asset isnt going too get very far.

Secondly it , is this multimedia world, causes " sensationalism " and its highlights the events

as the IRA use too say " a bomb in England was worth 10 in NI ", nothing like bringing the " cause" to the centre . etc etc

Doesn't condone it , but I can see why its happening

BoatMad · 07-04-2017 07:03PM

RustyNut wrote: »

Yea that oul democracy stuff just not working....

says the fascist.

remember

" those that would trade freedom for a little security , deserve neither "

Richard Hillman · 07-04-2017 07:04PM

As pointed out before (and if you've never watched Star Trek you can zone out now), the likes of ETA, IRA etc are like the Klingon. They can be reasoned with.

The Islamists are like The Borg. Resistance is futile. Either you become a Borg or die. There is no reasoning.

Biggest lickspittle on boardz · 07-04-2017 07:05PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

I take it the people here advocating restrictions on Muslim immigration would have had no problem with severe restrictions on Irish immigration to the UK when the halfwits in the IRA were planting bombs?

If they were known supporters of terror, yes I would support them being restricted entry. That's all people want, just some bloody simple, effective, common sense.

Instead, we got this crap during the week: https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/courts/supreme-court/deportation-of-man-allegedly-linked-to-islamic-terror-halted-1.3031212

Danzy · 07-04-2017 07:06PM

BoatMad wrote: »

There is a reason , that " activists " target innocent civilians, as much as the Cenotaph bombing or the Nice attacks. Firstly its easy for a lobe person to cause maximum effect, since a long person trying too attack a military asset isnt going too get very far.

Secondly it , is this multimedia world, causes " sensationalism " and its highlights the events

as the IRA use too say " a bomb in England was worth 10 in NI ", nothing like bringing the " cause" to the centre . etc etc

Doesn't condone it , but I can see why its happening

The IRA had clear cut objectives, Britain out of Ireland.

Killing disbelievers, gays, women who think they are equal to men, people who listen to live music, people who drink etc etc are not going to ever stop.

Nody · 07-04-2017 07:08PM

Help!!!! wrote: »

You cannot compare the 70s/80s with whats going on now. Look at the graph from 9/11 attack & then compare

Care to quote the number of people dead in Europe on 9/11 or are you claiming that it happened in Europe? Because last time I checked the question was about attacks in EUROPE which I hope you can find on a map and then look at where New York is located by comparison.

BoatMad · 07-04-2017 07:09PM

Biggest lickspittle on boardz wrote: »

If they were known supporters of terror, yes I would support them being restricted entry. That's all people want, just some bloody simple, effective, common sense.

Instead, we got this crap during the week: https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/courts/supreme-court/deportation-of-man-allegedly-linked-to-islamic-terror-halted-1.3031212

everyone is entitled to due process

Beyondgone · 07-04-2017 07:11PM

BoatMad wrote: »

There is a reason , that " activists " target innocent civilians, as much as the Cenotaph bombing or the Nice attacks. Firstly its easy for a lobe person to cause maximum effect, since a long person trying too attack a military asset isnt going too get very far.

Secondly it , is this multimedia world, causes " sensationalism " and its highlights the events

as the IRA use too say " a bomb in England was worth 10 in NI ", nothing like bringing the " cause" to the centre . etc etc

Doesn't condone it , but I can see why its happening

I disagree. I think they're dim shambolic fundamentalists who willingly follow a deranged ideology and couldn't organise a p1ss up in a brewery. Mainly as their Medieval ideology wouldn't allow them to go into one. Which highlights the nuttiness.

This new trend of Moron-o-Terro makes everyone a target. It could be you, it could be your wife, or your mother, or your children or your cousin. Just out doing the shopping, or walking to work, and someone who read a few books and wasn't sentient enough to apply common sense to that reading slams a truck into them. It would be quite tricky to hold many liberal views after seeing a pedestrian torn into pieces by a speeding lorry mounting a footpath ON PURPOSE. I don't hugely give a damn about the drivers religious peccadillos.

Truck driven into crowd in Stockholm - No Speculation

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