Eir rural FTTH thread

Decoda · 04-04-2017 09:26PM

Allison Puny Appetite wrote: »

If it is no trouble could you post a picture of where the cable attaches to the outside of your property? I am interested in what they are using to tension the cable on the house side. Thanks.

Will do...I'll l get a shot in the morning and post it up then.

D.

tsue921i8wljb3 · 04-04-2017 09:29PM

Decoda wrote: »

Will do...I'll l get a shot in the morning and post it up then.

D.

Excellent. Thanks very much.

Galway · 04-04-2017 09:41PM

Gwynston wrote: »

That's interesting - where are you around Galway?
Is this a new tactic? Has anyone else seen marketing signs round the country?

We finally have fibre cable on the poles down my road (Loughgeorge-Corandulla road N.W. of Claregalway), but no "lunchboxes" yet near me, which is close to the end of the blue (yellow?) line. Further up the road I saw some boxes on poles though.

Some of the cabling has a very low sag between the poles. I know someone posted here that their area had to be rewired because it was done too taut. Well some of my area looks too slack to me. I'll try to get some pics.

Signs went up all over Corofin last week and there are no splicer boxes on any poles never mind any fibre cabling on poles yet. Exchange has been fibre enabled since mid Feb and I now get 6 MB uncongested BB where I was lucky to 1MB in evenings before Christmas. Most of the cabling right through the village is underground then overhead for the side roads. First FTTH connections date is Autumn 2017 however. We will see will that happen.

overtime · 04-04-2017 10:06PM

Grumpypants wrote: »

Im on a "pre-order because it isnt live yet" according to the sales rep i spoke with today and "it can take 5 days for web orders to clear" so hopefully once the area goes live and the order clears the actual date gets bumped up. If they have installers in the area it would make sense to try and group them.

Got the same line when I called them, however as I was passing a Eir retail shop later that day and got it ordered straight away

long_b · 04-04-2017 10:18PM

Anyone got a photo of a splitter box with a few lines connected out of it (as in connected to people's homes) please?

Just curious

The Cush · 04-04-2017 10:20PM

I was looking at the updated intervention map today for the houses in our exchange area that are part of the added 300,000.

The premises identified below is half way on a blue/yellow line route and approx. 70m from the pole on the road with the existing phone line ducted to the house but has not been included in the 300,000, fails eircode check, it and 1 other premises (450m from the road) on that road have been bypassed. I can understand the one at 450m not being included but the other I don't when you consider there are other premises in the exchange area that are further from the road and have been included, two that I checked were between 200m and 210m from the main road. Is there any logic to this, I can already guess the answer?

Fail

Pass

daraghwal · 04-04-2017 10:26PM

The Cush wrote: »

I was looking at the updated intervention map today for the houses in our exchange area that are part of the added 300,000.

The premises identified below is half way on a blue/yellow line route and approx. 70m from the pole on the road with the existing phone line ducted to the house but has not been included in the 300,000, fails eircode check, it and 1 other premises (450m from the road) on that road have been bypassed. I can understand the one at 450m not being included but the other I don't when you consider there are other premises in the exchange area that are further from the road and have been included, two that I checked were between 200m and 210m from the main road. Is there any logic to this, I can already guess the answer?

I have the same problem, as does my neighbour and someone else messaged me on here as well. I'm less than 80 metres away from the pole on the road and not passing. My neighbour is the same distance.

tsue921i8wljb3 · 04-04-2017 10:28PM

The Cush wrote: »

I was looking at the updated intervention map today for the houses in our exchange area that are part of the added 300,000.

The premises identified below is half way on a blue/yellow line route and approx. 70m from the pole on the road with the existing phone line ducted to the house but has not been included in the 300,000, fails eircode check, it and 1 other premises (450m from the road) on that road have been bypassed. I can understand the one at 450m not being included but the other I don't when you consider there are other premises in the exchange area that are further from the road and have been included, two that I checked were between 200m and 210m from the main road. Is there any logic to this, I can already guess the answer?

Maybe a relevant part of the Commitment Contract is:

Non-Standard Connection" means a physical connection drop where either:

(a) in order to Connect the Premises, new infrastructure is required to be provided on the private part of the Premises, where the Premises is located 50m or further beyond the Network Touch Point; or

(b) the Premises is located 50m or further beyond the Network Touch Point, served by existing infrastructure on the private part of the Premises that is not usable (for example, there is a blocked duct on the private property part of the Premises) and this has to be remediated in order to Connect the Premises.

It doesn't explain why the premises at 200 and 210m are included though.

daraghwal · 04-04-2017 10:30PM

Allison Puny Appetite wrote: »

Maybe a relevant part of the Commitment Contract is:

It doesn't explain why the premises at 200 and 210m are included though.

Is it possible they are marked as public roads on the OSI map?

tsue921i8wljb3 · 04-04-2017 10:36PM

daraghwal wrote: »

Is it possible they are marked as public roads on the OSI map?

Could be. The Cush would know the area well I am sure.

The Cush · 04-04-2017 10:38PM

daraghwal wrote: »

Is it possible they are marked as public roads on the OSI map?

No, private roads into the respective houses from the main road.

rob808 · 04-04-2017 10:54PM

I was lucky to be on Eir FTTH rollout map looking at the new intervention map they skip by two houses down a private road and my neighbor straight in front of me on the other side of the road.

Gwynston · 04-04-2017 11:52PM

Was anyone listening to minister Denis Naughton on Matt Cooper's Today FM show this evening?

He says the terms of the contract with Eir (sic) is for 10,000 homes enabled per month over the coming 90 weeks, and there are financial penalties if that isn't met. The contracts are available to view on the gov website apparently.

Pretty sure he was talking about FTTH, but his terminology was a bit all over the place....

rob808 · 04-04-2017 11:57PM

Gwynston wrote: »

Was anyone listening to minister Denis Naughton on Matt Cooper's Today FM show this evening?

He says the terms of the contract with Eir (sic) is for 10,000 homes enabled per month over the coming 90 weeks, and there are financial penalties if that isn't met. The contracts are available to view on the gov website apparently.

Pretty sure he was talking about FTTH, but his terminology was a bit all over the place....

It 90% FTTH and 10% FTTC of the 300,575k homes

long_b · 05-04-2017 12:06AM

rob808 wrote: »

I was lucky to be on Eir FTTH rollout map looking at the new intervention map they skip by two houses down a private road and my neighbor straight in front of me on the other side of the road.

So it looks like the Government NBP map gives more information than the OpenEir map in terms of who's getting FTTH in the first 300K

Seems to be consistent though as both say the last house on our lane isn't going to be done outside of the NBP

That's tough

The Cush · 05-04-2017 12:10AM

Gwynston wrote: »

Was anyone listening to minister Denis Naughton on Matt Cooper's Today FM show this evening?

He says the terms of the contract with Eir (sic) is for 10,000 homes enabled per month over the coming 90 weeks, and there are financial penalties if that isn't met. The contracts are available to view on the gov website apparently.

Pretty sure he was talking about FTTH, but his terminology was a bit all over the place....

Link posted in the other thread

marno21 wrote: »

And here's the discussion with Minister Denis Naugthen on the NBP from the Last Word today.

http://www.filedropper.com/thelastword04april2

rob808 · 05-04-2017 12:54AM

long_b wrote: »

So it looks like the Government NBP map gives more information than the OpenEir map in terms of who's getting FTTH in the first 300K

Seems to be consistent though as both say the last house on our lane isn't going to be done outside of the NBP

That's tough

yea seem like it even houses I thought were on it aren't but least now I know I'm on open Eir FTTH rollout for sure.

marno21 · 05-04-2017 01:09AM

Gwynston wrote: »

Was anyone listening to minister Denis Naughton on Matt Cooper's Today FM show this evening?

He says the terms of the contract with Eir (sic) is for 10,000 homes enabled per month over the coming 90 weeks, and there are financial penalties if that isn't met. The contracts are available to view on the gov website apparently.

Pretty sure he was talking about FTTH, but his terminology was a bit all over the place....

Adrian Weckler has a more detailed post about it here. Not sure if it's been posted in this thread but it's very relevant as it's entirely about eir

https://twitter.com/adrianweckler/status/849225362366189570

Fair ****s is all I say.

Johnboy1951 · 05-04-2017 08:45AM

The contract does not specify FTTH exclusively that I can see.
So if eir connect your premises via FTTC and your attainable speed is greater than 30/6 then you are counted in the numbers for this contract's purposes.
If they use wireless that too would qualify.

This contract is about numbers, not the means by which they are connected.
So provided the premises was originally to be included in the NBP roll out, and eir can now provide 30/6 or better by whatever means eir chooses, then the premises is counted.

That is my reading of it.

Decoda · 05-04-2017 08:51AM

So after a long wait Fibre has finally arrived. When it was first mooted, I was extremely skeptical. I live in an isolated part of the country by the coast on a cul de sac road with 10 houses, the majority being holiday homes. I just couldn't see how it would ever make financial sense for any supplier to bring fibre broadband to my locality and yet here we are.

At the moment the modem is temporarily left in the attic until I decide whether to permanently leave it there or relocate downstairs. If I do decide to leave it there then I will add a mains smoke alarm up there along with an additional power point to run a TP Link power-line system from. (At the moment there is the EIR Hardware box plugged direct into a socket and the Eir Modem and a TPLink plugged into a double adapter - temp measure until my electrician gets here)

I've been a thread lurker for a long time so many thanks for all the information along the way and the best of luck to those of you waiting for connection.

D.

Set up in the attic

Final Speed Test taken downstairs in the hallway....:P

External Shots of Installation

Its kind of hard to make out but the fitter brought the fibre approx halfway down the pole before bringing it across to the house. I plan on running some form of steel cable maybe??? to reinforce or provide some additional protection to it as I feel that it is sort of exposed.

Where the fibre enters the house through an air vent.

banjopeter · 05-04-2017 09:05AM

Yesterday's press release from the Department of Comm:

http://www.dccae.gov.ie/documents/Press%20Release%2004%20Apr%202017.pdf

banjopeter · 05-04-2017 09:25AM

Johnboy1951 wrote: »

The contract does not specify FTTH exclusively that I can see.
So if eir connect your premises via FTTC and your attainable speed is greater than 30/6 then you are counted in the numbers for this contract's purposes.
If they use wireless that too would qualify.

This contract is about numbers, not the means by which they are connected.
So provided the premises was originally to be included in the NBP roll out, and eir can now provide 30/6 or better by whatever means eir chooses, then the premises is counted.

That is my reading of it.

The press release states 90% FTTH, which seems pretty clear.

Johnboy1951 · 05-04-2017 10:28AM

banjopeter wrote: »

The press release states 90% FTTH, which seems pretty clear.

Yes it does ....... but not the contract that I have found, and it is the contract that matters not some press release.

I would very much like if someone would point me to this in the contract as I might well have missed it.

The Cush · 05-04-2017 10:34AM

Decoda wrote: »

Set up in the attic

I see this installer used the ODP.

superloopy · 05-04-2017 10:46AM

Fibre to the press release.

Again.

Hope is worse than heroin.

plodder · 05-04-2017 10:57AM

The Cush wrote: »

I see this installer used the ODP.

Yes, I don't think anyone has answered the question yet, as to whether the ODP can be combined with the ONT, or what its exact function is?

MBSnr · 05-04-2017 11:22AM

plodder wrote: »

Yes, I don't think anyone has answered the question yet, as to whether the ODP can be combined with the ONT, or what its exact function is?

At a guess - I think it's just a means of taking the larger cable and terminating it to a LC fibre socket. Effectively you could wedge a LC connector onto the end of the incoming fibre cable and plug directly in to the ONT (as one install had).
Although in the above pic the incoming black cable looks about the same diameter as the white fibre cable..

banjopeter · 05-04-2017 11:39AM

Seems to me the contract rests on the definitions, and Passed is dependent on Premises Passed which is defined as:
"Premises Passed" means for:
(a) a wireline network, when a Premises for which the wireline network has a
Distribution Point sufficiently close to that Premises such that High Speed
Broadband Services can be provisioned for that Premises; and
(b) a wireless network, when a Premises for which the wireless network has
sufficient signal quality for that Premises such that High Speed Broadband
Services can be provisioned for that Premises,
and eir has listed the status of the Premises as 'ready for order' on the eir NGA
Plan File
...in
relation to the Premises (excluding New Build Premises) in the eir
Deployment Area which are Passed and for which eir has received a
Premises Connection Request ("Requested Premises"):
(A) all of the Requested Premises will be Connected; and
(B) at least 95% of the Requested Premises will be Connected at
the Published Connection Charge; and
10
EXECUTION VERSION
(C) for at least 95% of the Requested Premises, the first
connection to achieve Premises Connected at the Premises
will be completed within 20 Working Days of the date the
Premises Connection Request is received for a Passed
Premises;

Full contract PDF here:http://www.dccae.gov.ie/documents/Commitment%20Agreement.pdf

plodder · 05-04-2017 12:01PM

MBSnr wrote: »

At a guess - I think it's just a means of taking the larger cable and terminating it to a LC fibre socket. Effectively you could wedge a LC connector onto the end of the incoming fibre cable and plug directly in to the ONT (as one install had).
Although in the above pic the incoming black cable looks about the same diameter as the white fibre cable..

So, why not do that all the time? What's the point of the extra box and patch cable?

MBSnr · 05-04-2017 12:32PM

plodder wrote: »

So, why not do that all the time? What's the point of the extra box and patch cable?

I can only guess that the logic is that the cable coming in is secured in ducting/overhead/to the wall and therefore not able to be damaged by a bend radius that exceeds specs and breaks the fibre, esp since it will be slightly armoured for outside use. Break that and the whole run has to be done again from the pole most likely. Also this 'drop' cable from the pole probably varies in diameter, dependent on what cable the team that installed it had (judging by the photos I've seen). As such some might be the right diameter to put a LC connector on but other cable may not - too rigid etc.

They want to standardise. The ~1m fibre cable supplied from the ODP to the ONT is an inside cable and if damaged by the homeowner (or the kids) can easily be replaced.

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