Eir rural FTTH thread

rob808 · 04-04-2017 11:10AM

damienirel wrote: »

Weren't Eir supposed to have 100K connected by last month??? OMFG what a disgrace, looks like a leopard doesn't indeed change it's spots.

They were never gona hit that target do you think siro could dont think so, at least there given 300,000 rural homes FTTH that would be still waiting on nbp to start and by the look of it be late 2018.

KOR101 · 04-04-2017 11:18AM

rob808 wrote: »

They were never gona hit that target do you think siro could dont think so, at least there given 300,000 rural homes FTTH that would be still waiting on nbp to start and by the look of it be late 2018.

I really wish people would stop treating what are just announcements as something real. How much evidence of actual performance do people need?

KOR101 · 04-04-2017 11:36AM

I wonder whether the sudden push in the past few weeks was an attempt by EIR to make this announcement look less ridiculous than it does.

damienirel · 04-04-2017 11:38AM

KOR101 wrote: »

I really wish people would stop treating what are just announcements as something real. How much evidence of actual performance do people need?

Rob is a "believer" no amount of rational logic will convince him of anything else.

:D:D

So they announce 100k for march 2017 and reality is they reach 21890 of them at a generous estimate. Yeah they really are keeping their word. This thread can be hilarious at times.

damienirel · 04-04-2017 11:46AM

KOR101 wrote: »

I wonder whether the sudden push in the past few weeks was an attempt by EIR to make this announcement look less ridiculous than it does.

They need to push a lot harder to make any of it look less ridiculous than it does at the moment - it would appear that they don't give a fcuk.

plodder · 04-04-2017 11:51AM

The problem is though - who can you point to that's "better" than Eir?
Siro, who decided not to bother with rural customers at all, until the NBP came along?
Or the crowd who think dead-end wireless is a long term solution?

Johnboy1951 · 04-04-2017 11:57AM

KOR101 wrote: »

I wonder whether the sudden push in the past few weeks was an attempt by EIR to make this announcement look less ridiculous than it does.

Do you think there has been a 'sudden push' in the last few weeks?

Could it not be that the roll out in some areas has reached the connection stage (a lot later than estimated) and that is what is being experienced by customers?

TBH, I think it more likely to be the latter.

I believe eir, either through lack of experience, or deliberately, published estimated dates that have proven to be highly unrealistic.

Hopefully the commitment contract will tie them to very specific time-lines.

Another thought ....... eir has for months refused to sign such a contract. It might now seem that they delayed doing this because they could not properly estimate the time-scales ...... sufficiently enough to commit to a contract.

damienirel · 04-04-2017 12:10PM

plodder wrote: »

The problem is though - who can you point to that's "better" than Eir?
Siro, who decided not to bother with rural customers at all, until the NBP came along?
Or the crowd who think dead-end wireless is a long term solution?

Nobody is better - they all are bidders outside of wireless(btw they are irrelevant). They all should be handled equally, none to them taken at their word or trusted. They should be tied to very strict well thought out legally binding contract that would mean if they didn't deliver(on time) that the state could recoup any cost that would be associated with having to complete the project.
But this I'm afraid is not going to happen ever!

Johnboy1951 · 04-04-2017 12:15PM

damienirel wrote: »

Nobody is better - they all are bidders outside of wireless(btw they are irrelevant). They all should be handled equally, none to them taken at their word or trusted. They should be tied to very strict well thought out legally binding contract that would mean if they didn't deliver(on time) that the state could recoup any cost that would be associated with having to complete the project.
But this I'm afraid is not going to happen ever!

You have no idea what is in the contract yet you say that as if you have some real basis for it!

Wait for the contract details before deciding whether the contract will do what we hope or not.

damienirel · 04-04-2017 12:27PM

Johnboy1951 wrote: »

You have no idea what is in the contract yet you say that as if you have some real basis for it!

Wait for the contract details before deciding whether the contract will do what we hope or not.

I can decide what I like thanks. We are all entitled to have our own opinions and mine have been shaped by what has happened in the past when our government gets involved in telecommunications.

rob808 · 04-04-2017 12:49PM

damienirel wrote: »

Rob is a "believer" no amount of rational logic will convince him of anything else. :D:D

So they announce 100k for march 2017 and reality is they reach 21890 of them at a generous estimate. Yeah they really are keeping their word. This thread can be hilarious at times.

Im not I never really believe they could ever hit the march 2017 or even the late 2018 date.It seem to me you really hate eir what did they do to you that you hate them so much.

damienirel · 04-04-2017 12:56PM

rob808 wrote: »

Im not I never really believe they could ever hit the march 2017 or even the late 2018 date.It seem to me you really hate eir what did they do to you that you hate them so much.

Hate is too strong a word - I'm indifferent to them - I think they are fairly useless at providing a service and that their main focus is shareholders not customers. They seem to have held onto the public profile/perception of a company that is state/semi state even though they are completely private. They owe us the Irish people nothing - and we owe them even less. So yeah hate is way too stong of a word. I just think they publish a lot of misinformation and give a lot of people false hope of improved broadband. But I do think the 300k stroke is very sneaky, and below the belt.

rob808 · 04-04-2017 01:07PM

damienirel wrote: »

Hate is too strong a word - I'm indifferent to them - I think they are fairly useless at providing a service and that their main focus is shareholders not customers. They seem to have held onto the public profile/perception of a company that is state/semi state even though they are completely private. They owe us the Irish people nothing - and we owe them even less. So yeah hate is way too stong of a word. I just think they publish a lot of misinformation and give a lot of people false hope of improved broadband. But I do think the 300k stroke is very sneaky, and below the belt.

There alot ISP that give misinformation like Imagine that has written on there van (Bring fibre to rural )when in fact it just LTE wireless with Fibre just brought to the mast.Im sceptical of Eir but if they do give me FTTH I be happy since I only have 3mb at the moment.

BlinkingLights · 04-04-2017 01:20PM

There's nothing wrong with using well planned wireless technology for the last mile. LTE Advanced backed up with plenty of fibre to mast can deliver huge speeds quite comparable to what being offered on cable and fibre.

What's happened here in the past was wireless on a shoestring budget without proper spectrum allocation and without enough back haul. So many people have had a bad experience. Done right, it works well and could replace a lot of the physical lines in scattered housing in rural areas.

We also have to be realistic about return on investment. These companies can't do a project that they're never going to make a profit on. They aren't state services anymore.

Johnboy1951 · 04-04-2017 01:22PM

According to the news, the cabinet has agreed with the eir contract to remove 300K premises from the NBP, but also there is an additional 80K that have not been serviced commercially.

No idea when we might get to see that contract.

Gonzo · 04-04-2017 01:40PM

The way I see it, Eir are the only ones who are doing something about proper fibre in rural and medium density areas, the rollout is slower than expected but at least it's started and making progress. Siro have done nothing, despite their website showing a rural landscape and Virgin, much like Siro only concentrate on high density areas.

Imagine don't even come into the picture as what they are doing is just filling the gap till the NBP gets going with a 4g wireless service which will be completely obsolete by 2020, they will have to rebuild another new 5g network beyond that. I would love if we had another provider rolling out decent wireless to the very rural areas with decent backhaul and none of this 20gigs a day crap that Imagine are very quickly punishing their customers with.

Grumpypants · 04-04-2017 03:11PM

For all the crap Eir get (some deserved) they have been putting in a monumental effort to get best in class broadband to rural communities, where lets face it the return will take a long time to balance out.

All the others have just stacked up on top of each other in already well supported urban areas which is absolutely useless to the bigger picture for the country.

Cantona's Collars · 04-04-2017 03:12PM

Eir were installing fibre on Sunday in parts of the outskirts of Enniscorthy.Never heard of them working on a Sunday before.

rob808 · 04-04-2017 03:15PM

zerks wrote: »

Eir were installing fibre on Sunday in parts of the outskirts of Enniscorthy.Never heard of them working on a Sunday before.

I saw Knn checking poles on my road today seem im at the early stages.

plodder · 04-04-2017 03:21PM

BlinkingLights wrote: »

There's nothing wrong with using well planned wireless technology for the last mile. LTE Advanced backed up with plenty of fibre to mast can deliver huge speeds quite comparable to what being offered on cable and fibre.

What's happened here in the past was wireless on a shoestring budget without proper spectrum allocation and without enough back haul. So many people have had a bad experience. Done right, it works well and could replace a lot of the physical lines in scattered housing in rural areas.

We also have to be realistic about return on investment. These companies can't do a project that they're never going to make a profit on. They aren't state services anymore.

Short term, there might be a role for LTE in some places, but it's not a given that it will work at all in all remote places. And I keep coming back to the point that if the state could build a phone network with pretty much 100% coverage, why can't it build a passive fibre network with simpler components, to the same places? It may take time, but it should be easier.

mikeecho · 04-04-2017 06:32PM

plodder wrote: »

Short term, there might be a role for LTE in some places, but it's not a given that it will work at all in all remote places. And I keep coming back to the point that if the state could build a phone network with pretty much 100% coverage, why can't it build a passive fibre network with simpler components, to the same places? It may take time, but it should be easier.

Back in the early 80s, even if there was a telegraph pole in your garden, you could still be left 2 to 3 years for a connection.

Telephone rollout happened at only a slightly faster speed than a glacial retreat.

Gadgetman496 · 04-04-2017 06:51PM

mikeecho wrote: »

Back in the early 80s, even if there was a telegraph pole in your garden, you could still be left 2 to 3 years for a connection.

Telephone rollout happened at only a slightly faster speed than a glacial retreat.

I applied for my first landline in 1977 and was told there was a five year waiting list at the time. Had to get a local politician on the case.

banjopeter · 04-04-2017 07:04PM

Splice boxes going up today near where I live in Kinvara. Got to be a good sign, as rollout map says "Estimated date for first live FTTH... is 05 Apr". KVA is the code for Kinvara I presume...

Grumpypants · 04-04-2017 07:05PM

Despite the website showing that it is available at my house (both by number and Address) and Kinvarra being littered with signs saying it is available right now, when I talk to Eir and try to order I am told that is is not available until May 3rd and I will need to wait until then, call back and arrange an appointment (which going on track record could be 3-4 weeks).

So we are really looking at June.

@banjopeter: I've one of those boxes on the pole right outside my house. It went up last week.

overtime · 04-04-2017 07:58PM

Grumpypants wrote: »

Despite the website showing that it is available at my house (both by number and Address) and Kinvarra being littered with signs saying it is available right now, when I talk to Eir and try to order I am told that is is not available until May 3rd and I will need to wait until then, call back and arrange an appointment (which going on track record could be 3-4 weeks).

So we are really looking at June.

@banjopeter: I've one of those boxes on the pole right outside my house. It went up last week.

@grumpypants @banjopeter In Kinvara also, box is installed about 8 weeks ago - ordered on Mar 23rd and down for installation on Apr19th; they said possibly sooner but we'll see!

Grumpypants · 04-04-2017 08:57PM

overtime wrote: »

@grumpypants @banjopeter In Kinvara also, box is installed about 8 weeks ago - ordered on Mar 23rd and down for installation on Apr19th; they said possibly sooner but we'll see!

Im on a "pre-order because it isnt live yet" according to the sales rep i spoke with today and "it can take 5 days for web orders to clear" so hopefully once the area goes live and the order clears the actual date gets bumped up. If they have installers in the area it would make sense to try and group them.

Decoda · 04-04-2017 09:09PM

Decoda wrote: »

Update

Crazy stuff really......

So a technician called last Wednesday and refused installation due to the location of the existing copper wire duct. He recommended overhead from the pole to a new pole in the garden. Another technician called that evening and marked out where the pole was to go and said that the pole installation crew would be back Fri or Sat morning. They never turned up so called Eir yesterday and was given a pole installation date of the 28th of April!! Come home from work last night and there's a pole installation crew erecting the pole. No phone calls.....no warning...just 4 lads in high vis and a massive truck parked in the driveway.....fair dues as they were out there until 20:00....I'm not complaining...far from it but you really have to wonder at the lack of communication between KN and Eir.

Going to call this morning to see if I can get the rest of the installation completed now.

D.

Update...

More crazy stuff.....

Called Eir this morning and said that pole went in last night, can I please have my installation completed now. Response was that there are still some wiring issues on my line and that it would not be possible to complete installation until the 28th of April.

1 hour later I get a call from the KN technician asking was there anyone at home as he wanted to complete my installation.....I dropped everything and got home to let him get started. Fair dues to him...great guy.....brought overhead cable from across the road and onto the new pole.....brought it down to fascia level and brought it across behind the gutter....really tidy job.....I asked him if he'd bring it into the attic...he had a look and said if I was willing to crawl into the corner of the eaves to pull the cable through then he'd install in the attic...2 hours later we're up and running....currently getting 90mb wireless with 28mb down (150mb package).....not too bad through a ceiling and a wall......:D

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The high horse brigade · 04-04-2017 09:13PM

Decoda wrote: »

Update...

More crazy stuff.....

Called Eir this morning and said that pole went in last night, can I please have my installation completed now. Response was that there are still some wiring issues on my line and that it would not be possible to complete installation until the 28th of April.

1 hour later I get a call from the KN technician asking was there anyone at home as he wanted to complete my installation.....I dropped everything and got home to let him get started. Fair dues to him...great guy.....brought overhead cable from across the road and onto the new pole.....brought it down to fascia level and brought it across behind the gutter....really tidy job.....I asked him if he'd bring it into the attic...he had a look and said if I was willing to crawl into the corner of the eaves to pull the cable through then he'd install in the attic...2 hours later we're up and running....currently getting 90mb wireless with 28mb down.....not too bad through a ceiling and a wall......:D

Heard from a mate KN are overstaffed and are pulling jobs forward which is what you're seeing

Decoda · 04-04-2017 09:15PM

The high horse brigade wrote: »

Heard from a mate KN are overstaffed and are pulling jobs forward which is what you're seeing

Someone needs to tell OpenEir.......:D

tsue921i8wljb3 · 04-04-2017 09:23PM

Decoda wrote: »

Update...

More crazy stuff.....

Called Eir this morning and said that pole went in last night, can I please have my installation completed now. Response was that there are still some wiring issues on my line and that it would not be possible to complete installation until the 28th of April.

1 hour later I get a call from the KN technician asking was there anyone at home as he wanted to complete my installation.....I dropped everything and got home to let him get started. Fair dues to him...great guy.....brought overhead cable from across the road and onto the new pole.....brought it down to fascia level and brought it across behind the gutter....really tidy job.....I asked him if he'd bring it into the attic...he had a look and said if I was willing to crawl into the corner of the eaves to pull the cable through then he'd install in the attic...2 hours later we're up and running....currently getting 90mb wireless with 28mb down (150mb package).....not too bad through a ceiling and a wall......:D

http://

If it is no trouble could you post a picture of where the cable attaches to the outside of your property? I am interested in what they are using to tension the cable on the house side. Thanks.

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