Eir rural FTTH thread

oscarBravo · 02-04-2017 12:54AM

plodder wrote: »

Fair points. Maybe the answer is not equipment supplied by Openeir but, equipment, including the ONT supplied by the retail operator.

I think it depends on what the ONT actually is? As far as I can see, it's not much more than an optical/electrical converter. Something like that either works or doesn't work. It's not likely to need specific troubleshooting unless they are particularly unreliable ...

As ED E has pointed out, the ONT is an integral part of the wholesaler's network. It's not just a media converter; it's a GPON client device. It is cryptographically authenticated to the OLT.

From the retailer's perspective, the connection to the customer premises is an Ethernet switch with one port in the customer's house and the other port in their data centre. It really works very well as it's currently set up.

tsue921i8wljb3 · 02-04-2017 01:52AM

I was speaking to someone over the week end an they gave me some information about a possible cost saving if you are ordering an Extreme product.

The Eir VOIP infrastructure is not yet completed and the VoIP ports on the F2000 units supplied along with the extreme products are not yet working. They will by September. They are preconfigured for it.

So if you order Fibre your old copper line continues to exist (billed naturally) as your number is still live on that. You must cancel it ( leaving you 'numberless' for 6 months) or else you will be double billed for the duration.

By around September an eFibre extreme order will also result in a cancellation of the old line as your number will be migrated onto the VoIP switches as part of the order.....but not yet.

Most people have mobiles nowadays and can always pick up a new landline number later if they want.

Johnboy1951 · 02-04-2017 09:56AM

Allison Puny Appetite wrote: »

I was speaking to someone over the week end an they gave me some information about a possible cost saving if you are ordering an Extreme product.

The Eir VOIP infrastructure is not yet completed and the VoIP ports on the F2000 units supplied along with the extreme products are not yet working. They will by September. They are preconfigured for it.

So if you order Fibre your old copper line continues to exist (billed naturally) as your number is still live on that. You must cancel it ( leaving you 'numberless' for 6 months) or else you will be double billed for the duration.

By around September an eFibre extreme order will also result in a cancellation of the old line as your number will be migrated onto the VoIP switches as part of the order.....but not yet.

Most people have mobiles nowadays and can always pick up a new landline number later if they want.

You can port your landline number to another service thus cancelling your landline.
You can then choose to use your number in a VOIP set up of your choosing.

Gonzo · 02-04-2017 11:03AM

I didnt realise the landland had to be cancelled, so does that mean when I get FTTH, i'll still be paying for my ADSL broadband also unless I cancell it?

Grumpypants · 02-04-2017 11:11AM

Came home from a week away and can see a lovely splitter box installed outside my house.

Checked the site and I can finally order fiber extreme at my house ðŸ˜€

Little early as we are not due to be able to order in Kinvara until the 5th.

Silpac · 02-04-2017 11:32AM

I had the same and then found I still couldn't order until the date, great to see the hardware but may still have to wait.

Gonzo · 02-04-2017 11:35AM

Silpac wrote: »

I had the same and then found I still couldn't order until the date, great to see the hardware but may still have to wait.

same here, I can order but the order doesn't go through properly untill the premises is live. To avoid alot of time wasting I suggest waiting till your premises is live.

Silpac · 02-04-2017 11:40AM

FTTh home installled and working finally. It's great as we had .5mb ! Now it's way better, thing is.

I ordered 1gb - couldn't help myself - and I'm barely getting 40mb. Is this normal , what should I do ?
Haven't called EIR yet as I've been away.

John mac · 02-04-2017 12:35PM

Silpac wrote: »

I ordered 1gb - couldn't help myself - and I'm barely getting 40mb. Is this normal , what should I do ?
Haven't called EIR yet as I've been away.

are you connecting via ethermet or wifi ?

ccazza · 02-04-2017 12:47PM

Silpac wrote: »

FTTh home installled and working finally. It's great as we had .5mb ! Now it's way better, thing is.

I ordered 1gb - couldn't help myself - and I'm barely getting 40mb. Is this normal , what should I do ?
Haven't called EIR yet as I've been away.

I signed up for the 300 mb. Connected by Ethernet I get usually around 280mb download and 45mb upload. Wireless less about 140mb.

daraghwal · 02-04-2017 12:54PM

Silpac wrote: »

FTTh home installled and working finally. It's great as we had .5mb ! Now it's way better, thing is.

I ordered 1gb - couldn't help myself - and I'm barely getting 40mb. Is this normal , what should I do ?
Haven't called EIR yet as I've been away.

I think I remember something before that someone was put on a testing port in the exchange/splitter that was set to a much lower speed just to test the connection. Could be that maybe?
Best to contact eir tomorrow

Gonzo · 02-04-2017 12:58PM

Silpac wrote: »

FTTh home installled and working finally. It's great as we had .5mb ! Now it's way better, thing is.

I ordered 1gb - couldn't help myself - and I'm barely getting 40mb. Is this normal , what should I do ?
Haven't called EIR yet as I've been away.

it should not be that low. You should get at least 100 megs wireless. Wired you should be getting between 800 and 940.

iioklo · 02-04-2017 01:47PM

Gonzo wrote: »

Wired you should be getting between 800 and 940.

If your Laptop/Desktop only has a 100Mb/s Ethernet port then you wont see a figure above 100Mb/s. You would need a device with a 1000Mb/s Ethernet port to see a 800 - 940Mb/s speed.

ED E · 02-04-2017 02:39PM

Gonzo wrote: »

I didnt realise the landland had to be cancelled, so does that mean when I get FTTH, i'll still be paying for my ADSL broadband also unless I cancell it?

If you're going Eir -> Eir their billing platform should do it all.

If you're going OLO -> Eir you may have to manually cancel as you arent "taking over" the bitstream service.

Silpac · 02-04-2017 03:54PM

Gonzo wrote: »

it should not be that low. You should get at least 100 megs wireless. Wired you should be getting between 800 and 940.

Thanks for all responses - will reboot router, check connections again today and then call eir.

Jpmarn · 02-04-2017 04:37PM

Went for a local drive around in East Co. Limerick. Some fibre cables are up in some of the Pallasgreen exchange area in the last couple of weeks. But there are no splice boxes on the poles yet. This includes the townlands of Cloverfield where the exchange building is located, Ballybrood, Dromkeen and Corelish. There is still a good deal of ducting work to be done in the Inch St Lawernce area.

Johnboy1951 · 02-04-2017 04:45PM

Silpac wrote: »

FTTh home installled and working finally. It's great as we had .5mb ! Now it's way better, thing is.

I ordered 1gb - couldn't help myself - and I'm barely getting 40mb. Is this normal , what should I do ?
Haven't called EIR yet as I've been away.

How did you measure the speed?
Did you use wireless?
You need to use a wired connection to test.

When using a wired connection you must ensure your PC/device network connection is capable of 1Gb/s to get a reasonably accurate estimate of speed.

Unless you have done this there is not much point in contacting Eir.

JasonRyan · 02-04-2017 05:36PM

Jpmarn wrote: »

Went for a local drive around in East Co. Limerick. Some fibre cables are up in some of the Pallasgreen exchange area in the last couple of weeks. But there are no splice boxes on the poles yet. This includes the townlands of Cloverfield where the exchange building is located, Ballybrood, Dromkeen and Corelish. There is still a good deal of ducting work to be done in the Inch St Lawernce area.

Yeah, most of Pallasgreen / Old Pallas & surrounding areas are done from a cabling aspect. Good bit of it is underground as they used the ducts that have been there for 30ish years.
Waiting for completion (splice boxes etc) is like walking on hot coals..... :-)

Gwynston · 02-04-2017 05:39PM

Johnboy1951 wrote: »

When using a wired connection you must ensure your PC/device network connection is capable of 1Gb/s to get a reasonably accurate estimate of speed.

What's the easiest way of checking the speed capability of a built-in PC network connection and/or WiFi limit?

e.g. This is what I have on our laptop:

Network: Realtek PCIe FE Family Controller
WiFi: Broadcom 802.11n Network Adapter

long_b · 02-04-2017 06:16PM

Gwynston wrote: »

What's the easiest way of checking the speed capability of a built-in PC network connection and/or WiFi limit?

e.g. This is what I have on our laptop:

Network: Realtek PCIe FE Family Controller
WiFi: Broadcom 802.11n Network Adapter

802. 11 n has a theoretical limit of 300 Mbps but real world performance of about 40-50Mbps. So says the Internet anyways.

Any wired Ethernet should give 100Mb or then abouts

oscarBravo · 02-04-2017 06:17PM

Gwynston wrote: »

What's the easiest way of checking the speed capability of a built-in PC network connection and/or WiFi limit?

e.g. This is what I have on our laptop:

Network: Realtek PCIe FE Family Controller
WiFi: Broadcom 802.11n Network Adapter

The "FE" suggests "Fast Ethernet", which means 100M.

ED E · 02-04-2017 08:31PM

long_b wrote: »

802. 11 n has a theoretical limit of 300 Mbps but real world performance of about 40-50Mbps. So says the Internet anyways.

Any wired Ethernet should give 100Mb or then abouts

There are different gens of .11n, early devices top out around 40-50, later ones can go closer to 90-110.

FTTH providers really need to give info leaflets for new customers. Like really spell it out. With FTTC everyone had 100Mb ports so hitting 85Mb of 100Mb was always possible.

Now Joe Soap has upgraded his iPads instead of his laptops and has a 5yo Dell in the corner. When he orders 1Gig and cant see it on any of his devices it just leads to irate "nobody told me" rants towards their support guys.

Gwynston · 02-04-2017 09:44PM

Thanks for the feedback!

ED E wrote: »

FTTH providers really need to give info leaflets for new customers. Like really spell it out. With FTTC everyone had 100Mb ports so hitting 85Mb of 100Mb was always possible.

Now Joe Soap has upgraded his iPads instead of his laptops and has a 5yo Dell in the corner. When he orders 1Gig and cant see it on any of his devices it just leads to irate "nobody told me" rants towards their support guys.

Agreed - all this 1000MB bluster will be for nothing if the max users can get with their "old" equipment is less than 10% of that.

I suspect we'll just go for the the 150MB when we sign up for FTTH, as it will be 100x what get at the moment, so we won't know ourselves!

I think the ultimate speed won't be of much concern to us - it will be more the ability to have multiple people in the house actually using the internet simultaneously!

Tom Mann Centuria · 02-04-2017 10:09PM

Gwynston wrote: »

Thanks for the feedback!

Agreed - all this 1000MB bluster will be for nothing if the max users can get with their "old" equipment is less than 10% of that.

I suspect we'll just go for the the 150MB when we sign up for FTTH, as it will be 100x what get at the moment, so we won't know ourselves!

I think the ultimate speed won't be of much concern to us - it will be more the ability to have multiple people in the house actually using the internet simultaneously!

Think I'm in same boat, I was like a moth to a flame with notion of 1gb broadband, but how much use will I get from it? Not much is my guess. I'll change my mind half a dozen times before I order I'm sure. Good luck with yours anyway, 21st century broadband here we come (hopefully).

02-04-2017 10:15PM

Gwynston wrote: »

Thanks for the feedback!

Agreed - all this 1000MB bluster will be for nothing if the max users can get with their "old" equipment is less than 10% of that.

I suspect we'll just go for the the 150MB when we sign up for FTTH, as it will be 100x what get at the moment, so we won't know ourselves!

I think the ultimate speed won't be of much concern to us - it will be more the ability to have multiple people in the house actually using the internet simultaneously!

As someone who recently had a 150Mb/s service installed, I can say that this is as fast as I'll ever need with my current circumstances. The only real need I could see for using one of the higher speeds is for the upload speed rather than the download, if for example you're doing serious data transfers.

If your download speed is approaching 980Mb then it's likely that your upload will be in the order of 200Mb.

I work for a company that has about 300 employees and their upload speed is 200Mb/s, so for a single household, 200Mb/s upload is more than enough:p

long_b · 02-04-2017 10:39PM

When you sign up it will be the best chance you get to go 1Gb.
In my case I could possibly sell it to the other half as "this is how much the new broadband costs".
If you get 150Mb in you'll never be able to upgrade as it'll be "sure it's fast enough as it is isn't it ?".

And I can't see any price decreases any time soon.

Having said that, will probably go for the 300Mb package myself.
Have slowly been investing in CAT6 and Gb hubs and a decent WiFi router that should deliver close to 300Mb

rob808 · 02-04-2017 10:46PM

long_b wrote: »

When you sign up it will be the best chance you get to go 1Gb.
In my case I could possibly sell it to the other half as "this is how much the new broadband costs".
If you get 150Mb in you'll never be able to upgrade as it'll be "sure it's fast enough as it is isn't it ?".

And I can't see any price decreases any time soon.

Having said that, will probably go for the 300Mb package myself.
Have slowly been investing in CAT6 and Gb hubs and a decent WiFi router that should deliver close to 300Mb

That what I'm think myself either 150mb or 300mb.my bother want to get 1Gb but his laptop 2 years old don't think it will even get to 980mb in a speed test.

MBSnr · 02-04-2017 11:03PM

Deleted User wrote: »

I work for a company that has about 300 employees and their upload speed is 200Mb/s, so for a single household, 200Mb/s upload is more than enough:p

Definitely. I have about 50-70 devices all using guest wifi at my work (everyone's phones) via a 40Mb down / 10Mb up Eir efibre line without problems. I also run 2 video conference rooms over the same ISP network with no video performance, quality or latency issues.

1Gb is lovely but serious overkill for a household at present....

KOR101 · 02-04-2017 11:15PM

MBSnr wrote: »

1Gb is lovely but serious overkill for a household at present....

I'm on 100m/bit and am hitting the limit regularly on P2P, and it's changing so quickly that it's a several times a week occurrence at this point. I'm quite happy with what I've got, just occasionally cheesed of with Blurays that I want immediately.

I'm wondering what is people's experience on P2P with over the 100m/bit speed. I appreciate that server's are probably quite limited in max speed, but what about P2P.

long_b · 03-04-2017 06:53AM

This is interesting..

In respect of a downgrade of a level for eir Fibre to the Home, an administration fee of €50 (inc VAT) shall be charged by eir and payable by the Customer or (ii) the downgrade shall be without charge subject to this agreement becoming subject to a minimum term of twelve (12) months commencing on the date of the downgrade (For Downgrade from eir Fibre Extreme 1000Mb this charge will be set to zero until the 30/06/2016)

Source (possibly outdated)

https://www.eir.ie/opencms/export/.content/pdf/terms/Part3.1.pdf

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