Carpenter falls off ladder loses €60k claim.

James Bond Junior · 28-03-2017 2:37pm #1

My father fell off a ladder in his early thirties and has a fine scar on his face since. Why did he fall? Because he didn't have the ladder positioned safely and it was rickety.

We need to start taking responsibly for our actions in this country a bit more and stop the blame game.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/courts/circuit-court/carpenter-who-fell-off-ladder-fails-in-60-000-damages-claim-1.3027605?mode=amp

This guy had received training and put up the ladder incorrectly yet wanted to blame someone else for his negligence.

me_irl · 28-03-2017 2:38pm

Horrendous picture of the victim in that article.

How dare they stoop so low to post that!

bear1 · 28-03-2017 2:40pm

And it's a win for common sense.

Satts · 28-03-2017 2:41pm

Did you hear about the guy who saw a sign, "Climb this ladder to Success".
The guy climbed the ladder and when he got to the top there was a guy already at the top and he said to him "Hi, I'm Cess".

Winterlong · 28-03-2017 2:43pm

No decision on costs.

howamidifferent · 28-03-2017 2:46pm

As for the result of the case....

Pride comes before a fall...

I'll get my coat.

Jack the Stripper · 28-03-2017 2:47pm

What James Bond film did he fall off the ladder?

Armchair Andy · 28-03-2017 3:05pm

Anyone ever read "his own misfortune "? Worth a read?

28-03-2017 3:16pm

James Bond Junior wrote: »

My father fell of a ladder in his early thirties and has a fine scar on his face since. Why did he fall? Because he didn't have the ladder positioned safely and it was rickety.

We need to start taking responsibly for our actions in this country a bit more and stop the blame game.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/courts/circuit-court/carpenter-who-fell-off-ladder-fails-in-60-000-damages-claim-1.3027605?mode=amp

This guy had received training and put up the ladder incorrectly yet wanted to blame someone else for his negligence.

My great grandad died of a pneumonia in the 1930s that would today be easily treatable today.

Bloody snowflakes these days.

Bring back consumptive tuberculosis and endemic illiteracy, I say; what what!

razorblunt · 28-03-2017 3:33pm

Still better than Carpenter's Ghosts of Mars.

SEPT 23 1989 · 28-03-2017 3:38pm

do some people actually need to be trained to use a ladder?

jonon9 · 28-03-2017 3:39pm

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

do some people actually need to be trained to use a ladder?

You be surprised by the number of people who don't know how to use a ladder properly.

Kimbot · 28-03-2017 3:41pm

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

do some people actually need to be trained to use a ladder?

Obviously.

Just like those stupid bloody manual handling courses.

jonon9 · 28-03-2017 3:44pm

jonnycivic wrote: »

Obviously.

Just like those stupid bloody manual handling courses.

Don't forget the ever outdated safe pass where even a dog could pass.

Armchair Andy · 28-03-2017 3:53pm

jonon9 wrote:

Don't forget the ever outdated safe pass where even a dog could pass.

Tick the box. Hand over the moola.

K.Flyer · 28-03-2017 3:59pm

jonon9 wrote: »

Don't forget the ever outdated safe pass where even a dog could pass.

Biggest contrived racket ever.

jonon9 · 28-03-2017 4:11pm

K.Flyer wrote: »

Biggest contrived racket ever.

How to pass the safe pass by knowing the following words.

1: Cement burns
2: Vibration White finger (Raynaud's syndrome)
3: PPE
4: Storage of chemicals

Boom you passed, see you in four years.

Followed by Manual handling:

Instructor: Lift that box.
Me: Lifts box the right way (back straight knees bent)
Instructor: good man you passed.

Roger Hassenforder · 28-03-2017 4:16pm

jonon9 wrote: »

How to pass the safe pass by knowing the following words.

1: Cement burns
2: Vibration White finger (Raynaud's syndrome)
3: PPE
4: Storage of chemicals

Boom you passed, see you in four years.

Followed by Manual handling:

Instructor: Lift that box.
Me: Lifts box the right way (back straight knees bent)
Instructor: good man you passed.

I hope he assessed the load correctly

jonon9 · 28-03-2017 4:17pm

Roger Hassenforder wrote: »

I hope he assessed the load correctly

Yip give it an aul kick with your foot first :pac:

suicide_circus · 28-03-2017 4:19pm

Haha delighted for him, fcuking compo culture is the reason everyone's insurance premiums are through the roof

Roger Hassenforder · 28-03-2017 4:27pm

jonon9 wrote: »

Yip give it an aul kick with your foot first :pac:

with a Golden Pages book in the box

jonon9 · 28-03-2017 4:28pm

Roger Hassenforder wrote: »

with a Golden Pages book in the box

I see your no stranger to the box then.

K.Flyer · 28-03-2017 4:33pm

jonon9 wrote: »

How to pass the safe pass by knowing the following words.

1: Cement burns
2: Vibration White finger (Raynaud's syndrome)
3: PPE
4: Storage of chemicals

Boom you passed, see you in four years.

Followed by Manual handling:

Instructor: Lift that box.
Me: Lifts box the right way (back straight knees bent)
Instructor: good man you passed.

Things I remember from my last one...

Dealing with vehicles reversing up to open trenches..
Using a starting handle on a dumper truck..
Correct signage and locations for scaffolding..
Forms, Forms, more Forms, which I will never see again.
Something something something else.
Approx 1 hr or so of a full day was there anything in relation to my trade as a Plumbing and Heating contractor.
But surprisingly enough, some didn't pass that day. That was the worrying bit, considering every question was in relation to everything you had just heard him telling you.

jonon9 · 28-03-2017 4:35pm

K.Flyer wrote: »

Things I remember from my last one...

Dealing with vehicles reversing up to open trenches..
Using a starting handle on a dumper truck..
Correct signage and locations for scaffolding..
Forms, Forms, more Forms, which I will never see again.
Something something something else.
Approx 1 hr or so of a full day was there anything in relation to my trade as a Plumbing and Heating contractor.
But surprisingly enough, some didn't pass that day. That was the worrying bit, considering every question was in relation to everything you had just heard him telling you.

Pretty much. The guy actually tells you the answers.

Birneybau · 28-03-2017 4:37pm

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/schoolgirl-awarded-12k-after-man-dived-on-top-of-her-in-holiday-swimming-pool-35572051.html

A 12-year-old schoolgirl, who injured her chin when a man dived on top of her in a swimming pool in Spain, has been awarded €12,500 damages in the Circuit Civil Court.

Through her father Peter, of Little Pace Woods, Clonee, Dublin, Megan sued travel agent Linevana Ltd, of Lower Liffey Street, Dublin, and the hotel for negligence and breach of duty.

Happens in Spain, sues in Ireland, and wins.

MEGA BRO WOLF 5000 · 28-03-2017 4:38pm

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

do some people actually need to be trained to use a ladder?

Ladders are a very very bad idea. They've been banned in my own workplace for over 15 years now. If you want to get at something up high it's scaffolding or a mobile work platform. Nothing else. 99% of workplace safety statements will ban the use of ladders completely.

check_six · 28-03-2017 4:42pm

Roger Hassenforder wrote: »

with a Golden Pages book in the box

A Golden Pages in the box? That's fierce sophisticated!

We had an empty box. There were gasps when I picked the box up the way you would normally pick up an empty box in a sort of lazy running scoop. Failing to prepare like an olympic weightlifter with chalk, belt, and team of screaming trainers made the health and safety trainer fella quite cranky. There was something about the trainer's methods that bugged me and I just couldn't get with the show. I suppose I must be more of a method actor!

SEPT 23 1989 · 28-03-2017 4:43pm

Hunky Monster wrote: »

Ladders are a very very bad idea. They've been banned in my own workplace for over 15 years now. If you want to get at something up high it's scaffolding or a mobile work platform. Nothing else. 99% of workplace safety statements will ban the use of ladders completely.

Don't forget your safety harness if you are working higher than 3 feet

ScumLord · 28-03-2017 4:43pm

I've been in charge of health and safety, or maybe I still am in charge of health and safety.. anyway, one day we got a surprise inspection and the inspector started highlighting things we should change. So I asked for a guide book, or what regulations we should be using, any kind of instructions that we could follow to make ourselves more compliant. The inspector looked a bit taken aback and flustered by the question. They had sent out posters previously, the kind with one picture and a tick, and another picture with an x. The inspector pointed to that and said it should be something like that. Not a clue. I don't think we've had an inspection since.

It is a money making racket, I don't think anyone really knows what they're doing.

bonzodog2 · 28-03-2017 4:57pm

Is it not just a CYA thing, for businesses to be able to tell their insurers "All our staff have attended the the relevant training course" ?

I love Sean nos · 28-03-2017 5:24pm

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

do some people actually need to be trained to use a ladder?

Page 1: Going up.
Page 2: Coming down.

jonon9 · 28-03-2017 5:47pm

ScumLord wrote: »

I've been in charge of health and safety, or maybe I still am in charge of health and safety.. anyway, one day we got a surprise inspection and the inspector started highlighting things we should change. So I asked for a guide book, or what regulations we should be using, any kind of instructions that we could follow to make ourselves more compliant. The inspector looked a bit taken aback and flustered by the question. They had sent out posters previously, the kind with one picture and a tick, and another picture with an x. The inspector pointed to that and said it should be something like that. Not a clue. I don't think we've had an inspection since.

It is a money making racket, I don't think anyone really knows what they're doing.

I call them textbook inspectors. The type of people who probably never worked on a site or similar but gets all his answers from books. You can spot them from a far with there pristine work clothes and hard hat.

please helpThank YOU · 28-03-2017 6:24pm

In my Opinion the Carpenter/Gentleman should have won his case for damages of 60000 euros .

Satts · 28-03-2017 6:35pm

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

do some people actually need to be trained to use a ladder?

I love Sean nos wrote: »

Page 1: Going up.
Page 2: Coming down.

Don't forget "Keep your hands on the sides."

MEGA BRO WOLF 5000 · 28-03-2017 6:46pm

ScumLord wrote: »

I've been in charge of health and safety, or maybe I still am in charge of health and safety.. anyway, one day we got a surprise inspection and the inspector started highlighting things we should change. So I asked for a guide book, or what regulations we should be using, any kind of instructions that we could follow to make ourselves more compliant. The inspector looked a bit taken aback and flustered by the question. They had sent out posters previously, the kind with one picture and a tick, and another picture with an x. The inspector pointed to that and said it should be something like that. Not a clue. I don't think we've had an inspection since.

It is a money making racket, I don't think anyone really knows what they're doing.

It's only for companies to cover their arse. You wouldn't believe the difference in the safety procedures we're supposed to follow and the ones we actually follow.

return guide · 28-03-2017 6:51pm

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

Don't forget your safety harness if you are working higher than 3 feet

With the 6 foot lanyard :eek:

Pac1Man · 28-03-2017 6:55pm

jonon9 wrote: »

Yip give it an aul kick with your foot first :pac:

And do your groin in.

An old football injury came back to embarrassingly haunt me!

milehip · 28-03-2017 6:58pm

jonon9 wrote: »

You be surprised by the number of people who don't know how to use a ladder properly.

You'd be surprised how many people don't know how to use cable ties.

Some guy asked me how to use a handsaw a while back,
I told him 'you dont'

I love Sean nos · 28-03-2017 7:15pm

jonnycivic wrote: »

Just like those stupid bloody manual handling courses.

Come on. How difficult can it be to handle a manual? :pac:

ohnonotgmail · 28-03-2017 7:16pm

I love Sean nos wrote: »

Page 1: Going up.
Page 2: Coming down.

I hope it wasnt a two day course.

I love Sean nos · 28-03-2017 7:18pm

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

I hope it wasnt a two day course.

It was originally supposed to be, but no one wanted to spend the night up the ladder.

Noveight · 28-03-2017 7:21pm

please helpThank YOU wrote: »

In my Opinion the Carpenter/Gentleman should have won his case for damages of 60000 euros .

Why..?

selwyn froggitt · 28-03-2017 7:23pm

I once told a dwarf to put on his hard hat, but he said it was a an elf and safety rule that didn't apply to him.

Berserker · 28-03-2017 7:58pm

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

do some people actually need to be trained to use a ladder?

Without a doubt. Anyone else have to complete a training course teaching you how to sit at your desk? Not joking before anyone asks.

please helpThank YOU · 28-03-2017 8:04pm

Noveight wrote: »

Why..?

Why Not?

please helpThank YOU · 28-03-2017 8:12pm

The Gentleman/Carpenter can appeal the case higher courts. The Judge Opinion was Nonsense and this Man had a claim for 60000 euros in my Opinion.

28-03-2017 8:27pm

Berserker wrote: »

Without a doubt. Anyone else have to complete a training course teaching you how to sit at your desk? Not joking before anyone asks.

Yes.... In a certain company I worked in there was an online cbt course on how to sit on your chair at your desk. It was a mandatory course that lasted an hour.

James Bond Junior · 28-03-2017 8:33pm

please helpThank YOU wrote: »

The Gentleman/Carpenter can appeal the case higher courts. The Judge Opinion was Nonsense and this Man had a claim for 60000 euros in my Opinion.

He fell through his own fault as he didn't put the ladder up correctly. Why should anybody else pay for his negligence? Im sick of paying over the odds for insurance. My friend paid €100,000 for his insurance this year up 30%. It's not right.

Berserker · 28-03-2017 8:38pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Yes.... In a certain company I worked in there was an online cbt course on how to sit on your chair at your desk. It was a mandatory course that lasted an hour.

A 'consultant' came in to us, with a wonderful presentation and practical demo.

Jurgen Klopp · 28-03-2017 8:51pm

The idea of the safe pass and manual handling is more to cover an employer in a case like this.

Worker does something stupid like this and sues, "your honour he was trained in the safety in the workplace, but ignored his mandatory training"

Where as if they don't have any course like manual handling done "ah Jaysus i never received any training in using a dolly and tried to lift a heavy load and put my bleedin back out your honor"

"Tsk tsk my good boy, those irresponsible holigans here's your €30,000 payout"

K.Flyer · 29-03-2017 2:02am

Using the Ladder like a Boss....
Try explaining this one to the judge when you fall

Meteorite58 wrote: »

Carpenter falls off ladder loses €60k claim.

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