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Louise O Neill on rape culture.
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please helpThank YOU wrote: »Pat Kenny Tonight on tv3 you can watch it on 3 player all about. our rape culture in Ireland .people here could watch it . more of a platform to discuss Ireland and its rape culture 3 player Wednesday 22th march tv3 10.00pm
Just watching this now, cheers. I see though that it starts off with the 'Cup of Tea' consent analogy video.
Here's a link to it:
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Just talking to a friend of mine in Kansas and he said all this Louise o Neill rape culture it is pure American Feminist stuff . but very dangerous thinking around the consent and around alcohol .should Women not go to pubs and be drinking alcohol around men ? . and that men should only meet women in alcohol free zones to be safe from women saying the raped them as the had sum alcohol.? the new laws come into effect in Ireland very soon around consent and alcohol this a very dangerous area now for all men drinking alcohol in pubs and clubs etc.Outlaw Pete wrote: »Just watching this now, cheers. I see though that it starts off with the 'Cup of Tea' consent analogy video.
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To be honest IME creepy men in positions of power are rife. Certainly anywhere I'e worked there's been those men at the top who think nothing of hitting on or leering at the younger female employees, often interns etc.
Especially in newsrooms. my sister is a journalist and has told me some horror stories about senior management figures leering and passing crude remarks while watching showreels of potential female hires, those same guys sleeping with young reporters even though they're married, and tabloid newsrooms can be an absolute nightmare for the women that don't want to be demoted to the scrap heap of cat fashion shows and lifestyle features.
Oh yeah-even in college I met the 'creepy' fellows-like, seriously creepy. One was dating a student, despite him A) being her lecturer,
being in a relationship, C) old enough to be her dad and D) being told to stop by her parents. Conflict of interest and all that. (Funnily enough, he had ALOT of female admirers-in the teenage category. I was jealous, if I'm honest-many of em were hawt).
In short-Oh I well believe it-trust me. When it comes to positions of power, certain traits tend to get you to that position-but sometimes, there are 'additional' elements to those figures-the creepy kind of element. (not always, just sometimes-othertimes they are a 'take no crap' kind of person)-I've known some idiots who for some bizarre reason seem to think they are 'hot'-and yet give em advise-like 'that software program won't work on a pc, or a mac'-and they are oblivious...until tech support/ they try it, and discover that yeah-it's not possible (and said software program will cost a couple of grand, easy).
On the other hand-I've heard stories of things like 'got a degree in journalism, operating the teleprompter so some numpty without his/ her Leaving Cert can read the text'...and yeah, it's not uncommon.
I do know of one presenter, local radio station, who married a total douchebag-despite ALL warnings from her friends/ family, that this guy was a db. Well, she gets pregnant shortly after, has the kid...then finds out he has a girlfriend and a new born...the were barely together over a year. (He was not in radio). She always got the usual 'boy, you're hot' on the radio comments-maybe she believed her hype, but some folks in radio don't tend to be too bright.0 -
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RabbleRouser2k wrote: »Oh yeah-even in college I met the 'creepy' fellows-like, seriously creepy. One was dating a student, despite him A) being her lecturer, being in a relationship, C) old enough to be her dad and D) being told to stop by her parents. Conflict of interest and all that. (Funnily enough, he had ALOT of female admirers-in the teenage category. I was jealous, if I'm honest-many of em were hawt).
In short-Oh I well believe it-trust me. When it comes to positions of power, certain traits tend to get you to that position-but sometimes, there are 'additional' elements to those figures-the creepy kind of element. (not always, just sometimes-othertimes they are a 'take no crap' kind of person)-I've known some idiots who for some bizarre reason seem to think they are 'hot'-and yet give em advise-like 'that software program won't work on a pc, or a mac'-and they are oblivious...until tech support/ they try it, and discover that yeah-it's not possible (and said software program will cost a couple of grand, easy).
On the other hand-I've heard stories of things like 'got a degree in journalism, operating the teleprompter so some numpty without his/ her Leaving Cert can read the text'...and yeah, it's not uncommon.
I do know of one presenter, local radio station, who married a total douchebag-despite ALL warnings from her friends/ family, that this guy was a db. Well, she gets pregnant shortly after, has the kid...then finds out he has a girlfriend and a new born...the were barely together over a year. (He was not in radio). She always got the usual 'boy, you're hot' on the radio comments-maybe she believed her hype, but some folks in radio don't tend to be too bright.
I'm really confused about the last bit with the female radio presenter and her two timing boyfriend. Were people telling her she was hot, as in attractive, or good at her job? What does it have to do with the cheating boyfriend?:eek:0 -
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RabbleRouser2k wrote: »Oh, sorry, total bizarre rant-I hadn't had my coffee.
She, the presente, was often complimented on her looks-ie 'boy, you're hot' etc. And tbf, she was pretty. Just rather annoying tho.
Anyways, my mentioning her looks was sort of down to a rather noticable trait I see sometimes with the 'wow, he/ she's hot' thing-ie they think that looks will sustain a relationship. She was much the same, even thinking a baby will keep him around.
And it didn't.
You should see what I write before coffee
Yes, that makes sense.
Sometimes on Boards threads, wen a woman with a problematic personality trait is being discussed, people ask ''but is she hot?' or ''how hot is she?''. It's not a great basis for a relationship. As someone's granny used to say ''looks fade, personality lasts forever''
And there are a lot of people who are fortunate to have a good combination of both..0 -
Widdershins wrote: »And there are a lot of people who are fortunate to have a good combination of both..
I disagree, we're a rarer breed than you'd think. 0 -
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please helpThank YOU wrote: »I know a Chinese Lady occasional has a few beers and she is so drunk afterwards just 3 bottles of beers .
Very true, it can go to your head that bit quicker if you're physically smaller built.
It doesn't sound like the worst law in the world in some ways. In other ways it seems awful, and worrying for men.
I would have been one who was too drunk to think straight and regretted an encounter afterwards, still do many years later, never felt it was rape or assault or anything like that, I have been through that also, but I do feel pi**ed off that I was taken advantage of, it wasn't exactly gentlemanly (he was sober as a judge and knew I was scuttered drunk, he was supporting me as we exited the building because I couldn't stay upright amongst other things).No protection used, I was very lucky there was no negative repercussions from it. Apart from the shame!
Personally I never considered it rape but I guess under THIS definition it would be. There are probably worse situations than mine where the new law is appropriate, though.
I was a teenager at that time and at least fifteen years younger than him0 -
VERY True what you saying here this would be now be considered rape in the eyes of the law. but most Men/Women would have sex when they having be drinking drunk/ on Drugs now the way law is the Jails backed out with Men . who had sex with Women when they where drunk/Drugs. what is the Drink Industry saying about this I would love one of them to make a comment and have the done a Safety Campaign on this law like put up posters in pubs/nightclubs.?Widdershins wrote: »Very true, it can go to your head that bit quicker if you're physically smaller built.
It doesn't sound like the worst law in the world in some ways. In other ways it seems awful, and worrying for men.
I would have been one who was too drunk to think straight and regretted an encounter afterwards, still do many years later, never felt it was rape or assault or anything like that, I have been through that also, but I do feel pi**ed off that I was taken advantage of, it wasn't exactly gentlemanly (he was sober as a judge and knew I was scuttered drunk, he was supporting me as we exited the building because I couldn't stay upright amongst other things).No protection used, I was very lucky there was no negative repercussions from it. Apart from the shame! Personally I never considered it rape but I guess under THIS definition it would be. There are probably worse situations than mine where the new law is appropriate, though.0 -
Widdershins wrote: »Very true, it can go to your head that bit quicker if you're physically smaller built.
It doesn't sound like the worst law in the world in some ways. In other ways it seems awful, and worrying for men.
I would have been one who was too drunk to think straight and regretted an encounter afterwards, still do many years later, never felt it was rape or assault or anything like that, I have been through that also, but I do feel pi**ed off that I was taken advantage of, it wasn't exactly gentlemanly (he was sober as a judge and knew I was scuttered drunk, he was supporting me as we exited the building because I couldn't stay upright amongst other things).No protection used, I was very lucky there was no negative repercussions from it. Apart from the shame! Personally I never considered it rape but I guess under THIS definition it would be. There are probably worse situations than mine where the new law is appropriate, though.
I was a teenager at that time and at least fifteen years younger than him
Yeah, plus if, say, you drink on an empty stomach or some medicine interacts badly (even a panadol or aspirin, for example) you can get intoxicated after one or two drinks. I know in one situation a friend of mine got sick after nurofen and beer-and thus she was sick as a dog. Her friends were there tho, and they just walked it off with her.
On the other hand, I've had a situation where I had a bad reaction to alcohol and lempsip-ended up puking everywhere after drinking. (both occasions, her and mine, we took those of our own accord). No spiking involved.
It helps in some ways-ie incest and sexual abuse, but in others it doesn't at all. Also, if a guy is drunk and he gets assaulted, a particularly sinister woman who had done the assault, and had been drinking, could claim 'no, he raped me'. IT would be very difficult to disprove.
(Very sorry to hear about your rape, the one that you said was rape I mean-I am sorry that happened to you.)
As far as the guy being drunk-it could be statutory. But at the least, yeah, it was morally wrong on his part.
I've seen girls really drunk-I think the most any one I know would do, with a girl with a few drinks in her, is snog em.
But that's it-never anything else. Maybe get her phone number, nothing that would lead you to a crime.0 -
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