Waterford GAA Discussion Thread 3 Updated Mod Note Post 1

dubcat51 · 16-03-2017 3:22pm

Dan is becoming the sideshow.really gets the opposition fans fired up.

buck65 · 16-03-2017 4:03pm

An irritation to the Waterford management I'd say.

enoughtaken · 16-03-2017 4:26pm

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redlead · 16-03-2017 6:58pm

buck65 wrote: »

I can't believe Waterford people, the strongest team in decades and ye want a new manager. Get rid of that gobsheen Dan the man, or Bez from the Happy Mondays as I call him. Ha ha.

When they win a few Munster titles and get to an All Ireland final they can be called the strongest Waterford team in decades. As it is they still haven't won a single championship game against a genuine title contender I.e Tipperary or Kilkenny. They have the talent but whether it's utilised is another matter.

robopaddy2 · 16-03-2017 11:40pm

dubcat51 wrote: »

Dan is becoming the sideshow.really gets the opposition fans fired up.

Dan is fine. No issues with him having a strong presence on the line, if it irk's the opposition so be it. Its not Derek's style to be up and down the sideline barking orders so I get why he'd want someone strong Dan there. From what I hear brings a lot to the squad in terms of morale and has a lot of respect from the players.
What I would have reservations about is his input to the management team in terms of tactics and selection etc. Having been there 4 years now I find it hard to believe he stands over the type of game we deploy.

fricatus · 17-03-2017 11:47am

Giveitfong wrote: »

The cluelessness of Waterford’s approach last Sunday extended to the decision to play against the strong wind having won the toss. Cork are a flakey team who would have come into this game low on confidence after their defeats to Dublin and Kilkenny. The last thing you wanted was to give them the chance to build up a bit of a lead with the wind at their backs which would boost their confidence. The objective should have been to bury them in the first half.

I don't share your view of McGrath, but I'm gobsmacked at the idea that we'd elect to play into the wind.

I thought the choice would have been obvious and that Cork had won the toss! :eek:

hurler on de ditch · 17-03-2017 2:00pm

robopaddy2 wrote: »

Dan is fine. No issues with him having a strong presence on the line, if it irk's the opposition so be it. Its not Derek's style to be up and down the sideline barking orders so I get why he'd want someone strong Dan there. From what I hear brings a lot to the squad in terms of morale and has a lot of respect from the players.
What I would have reservations about is his input to the management team in terms of tactics and selection etc. Having been there 4 years now I find it hard to believe he stands over the type of game we deploy.

agreed ,and if you think Dan is a show ,just look at SULLY he spent more time on the field than most of the cork team combined ,very influential with both the linemen and the referee ,and he manhandled the cork manager on more than one occasion

PTH2009 · 17-03-2017 5:24pm

With the way some of the cuala lads played today we could be in for a torrid time in the relegation playoff if we're player Dublin in it

A big Dublin win and we lose without scoring well could possibly mean we play Kilkenny in the relegation playoff

Boom__Boom · 18-03-2017 3:50pm

culbaire wrote: »

Crokes are a very average side. The Gooch is no longer the player he was. Lacks the speed and sharpness that he once had. The Nire will beat them. Conor Gleeson is a brilliant dual player. He will destroy the Crokes defense.

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Deise189 · 18-03-2017 5:16pm

Match versus Limerick tomorrow is cancelled due to a bereavement for one of our players

Fred C Dobbs · 19-03-2017 10:47am

I thought at the end of last season that the graphs of Waterford and Kilkenny were going in opposite directions - now it seems Waterford is the county that has regressed ; KK have brought in a few players almost unnoticed and judging by their performance in Semple Stadium, they haven't gone away. Before anyone reminds me, I know we beat KK recently but we stumbled over the line that day, not forgetting too that we beat them in Walsh Park last year.

Galway came closest to beating Tipp last year so they are likely to be involved at the business end this year. I hope I'm wrong but that leaves Waterford 4th in 'the rankings' at best and I think it will be another 2-3 years before the reservoir of underage talent rises to the top.

hurler on de ditch · 19-03-2017 1:56pm

Fred C Dobbs wrote: »

I thought at the end of last season that the graphs of Waterford and Kilkenny were going in opposite directions - now it seems Waterford is the county that has regressed ; KK have brought in a few players almost unnoticed and judging by their performance in Semple Stadium, they haven't gone away. Before anyone reminds me, I know we beat KK recently but we stumbled over the line that day, not forgetting too that we beat them in Walsh Park last year.

Galway came closest to beating Tipp last year so they are likely to be involved at the business end this year. I hope I'm wrong but that leaves Waterford 4th in 'the rankings' at best and I think it will be another 2-3 years before the reservoir of underage talent rises to the top.

lovely another 2/3 years ,its a great excuse for a new manager and yet another 3 year plan .what a f^&*%$£g joke

Gavlor · 19-03-2017 2:19pm

Fred C Dobbs wrote: »

I thought at the end of last season that the graphs of Waterford and Kilkenny were going in opposite directions - now it seems Waterford is the county that has regressed ; KK have brought in a few players almost unnoticed and judging by their performance in Semple Stadium, they haven't gone away. Before anyone reminds me, I know we beat KK recently but we stumbled over the line that day, not forgetting too that we beat them in Walsh Park last year.

Galway came closest to beating Tipp last year so they are likely to be involved at the business end this year. I hope I'm wrong but that leaves Waterford 4th in 'the rankings' at best and I think it will be another 2-3 years before the reservoir of underage talent rises to the top.

Galway aren't ahead of Waterford.

chookieourlaw · 19-03-2017 4:18pm

Gavlor wrote: »

Galway aren't ahead of Waterford.

Can you tell us what evidence you're basing this assumption on? Correct me if I'm wrong but Tipp only beat Galway by a point last year and Tipp humiliated us with a 21 pt victory. In 2015, Galway beat Tipp by a point and Tipp beat us by five.
IMO we wouldn't have been beaten by half as much last year if we had lined out
conventionally, but I still think Tipp would have had a few points to spare. So stating that we're ahead of Galway just doesn't stand up. IMO Clare are also ahead of us. Personally I'd prefer a change of management. I'm not saying we dont have promising talent, but Waterford has yet to win a championship game of any real importance over last few years and I will withhold judgement until they do.

mountgomery burns · 19-03-2017 4:54pm

chookieourlaw wrote: »

Can you tell us what evidence you're basing this assumption on? Correct me if I'm wrong but Tipp only beat Galway by a point last year and Tipp humiliated us with a 21 pt victory. In 2015, Galway beat Tipp by a point and Tipp beat us by five.
IMO we wouldn't have been beaten by half as much last year if we had lined out
conventionally, but I still think Tipp would have had a few points to spare. So stating that we're ahead of Galway just doesn't stand up. IMO Clare are also ahead of us. Personally I'd prefer a change of management. I'm not saying we dont have promising ralent, but Waterford has yet to win a championship game of any real importance over last few years and I will withhold judgement until they do.

If you compare form v Kilkenny then Galway aren't ahead of us. The reality is last years championship will have no bearing on this years anyway but the teams haven't even played each other recently so we cannot compare them directly.

A lot of people are losing the plot (not you as such to be fair) based on performances in this years league but it looks likely that this is the third year in a row where Waterford will have had a better league than Galway, so I guess those people must think Waterford are ahead of Galway also.

chookieourlaw · 19-03-2017 5:18pm

mountgomery burns wrote: »

If you compare form v Kilkenny then Galway aren't ahead of us. The reality is last years championship will have no bearing on this years anyway but the teams haven't even played each other recently so we cannot compare them directly.

A lot of people are losing the plot (not you as such to be fair) based on performances in this years league but it looks likely that this is the third year in a row where Waterford will have had a better league than Galway, so I guess those people must think Waterford are ahead of Galway also.

Championship only true barometer and Tipp currently the true yardstick to measure against.

mountgomery burns · 19-03-2017 5:26pm

chookieourlaw wrote: »

Championship only true barometer and Tipp currently the true yardstick to measure against.

Bit selective though to be fair, all are one off games. If Championship is the only barometer to measure against, how can you say Clare are ahead of us?

chookieourlaw · 19-03-2017 5:31pm

mountgomery burns wrote: »

Bit selective though to be fair, all are one off games. If Championship is the only barometer to measure against, how can you say Clare are ahead of us?

They are one-off matches over two separate seasons, which I think is fair to say is a lot more reliable and evidence-based than just plucking some unfounded suppositon out of nowhere.
Regarding Clare - because they have a better panel and the only set of forwards that come near to Tipp's. I also think they will get further that us in championship this year - but obviously that is just an assumption

mountgomery burns · 19-03-2017 6:20pm

There is one thing I agree with that you've said, nobody knows who is better between Galway and Waterford until they actually play each other (I'm obviously paraphrashing a bit there.)

You have contradicted yourself though by saying championship is the only metric to rank teams on and then suggest Clare are ahead of us based purely on your subjective view of their players. Based on the championship performance argument, there is a stronger case to say we are ahead of Clare than Galway are ahead of us.

Not a fan of rankings though, the only thing that matters is who climbs the steps of the hogan in September.

PTH2009 · 19-03-2017 9:24pm

Were like kryptonite too Galway we seem to always have there number but its bound to end at some stage and they will beat us. Same can be siad about us vs Kilkenny/Tipp

A win or draw is the only option next Sunday in Ennis but Barron will be a huge loss. I think Derek is gearing up for a relegation playoff rather than a QF if its true he consulted with the County board at the start of the year with fixing senior county championship games the weeks of the league semis and final

Fred C Dobbs · 19-03-2017 9:52pm

Gavlor wrote: »

Galway aren't ahead of Waterford.

Let's compare notes in 6 months and if you're right, I'll happily buy you a pint.

Gavlor · 19-03-2017 9:58pm

Fred C Dobbs wrote: »

Let's compare notes in 6 months and if you're right, I'll happily buy you a pint.

Cool, there's nothing between Galway, kk and Waterford over the past year or so.

By what measurement do people think Galway are so much better than Waterford? The fact they ran tipp close?

danganabu · 19-03-2017 10:05pm

Gavlor wrote: »

Cool, there's nothing between Galway, kk and Waterford over the past year or so.

By what measurement do people think Galway are so much better than Waterford? The fact they ran tipp close?

I think Galway's position is slightly exaggerated, Tipp never reached anything near the level they reached in the AI or Munster final that day, yes you can give Galway credit for this and the centre of their defence was excellent, however imo a lot of it can also be attributed to the infamous break from the Munster Final to the semi, Tipp for some unknown reason have always struggled with it and also Galway always raise their game for Tipp, there has never been much between us since our re-emergance in the late 80's.

robopaddy2 · 19-03-2017 10:45pm

PTH2009 wrote: »

With the way some of the cuala lads played today we could be in for a torrid time in the relegation playoff if we're player Dublin in it

A big Dublin win and we lose without scoring well could possibly mean we play Kilkenny in the relegation playoff

Good lord listen to yourself, you're effectively damning us to relegation based on the performance of a club team, that beat another club team who have very few intercounty players.

robopaddy2 · 19-03-2017 10:54pm

danganabu wrote: »

Gavlor wrote: »

Cool, there's nothing between Galway, kk and Waterford over the past year or so.

By what measurement do people think Galway are so much better than Waterford? The fact they ran tipp close?

I think Galway's position is slightly exaggerated, Tipp never reached anything near the level they reached in the AI or Munster final that day, yes you can give Galway credit for this and the centre of their defence was excellent, however imo a lot of it can also be attributed to the infamous break from the Munster Final to the semi, Tipp for some unknown reason have always struggled with it and also Galway always raise their game for Tipp, there has never been much between us since our re-emergance in the late 80's.

Every year (including this one) for the past 30 years I would consider them realistic All Ireland contenders based on talent pool, but don't believe they ever have the stomach to get over the line on the big occasion. I can't quite put my finger on it, you hear about a history in-fighting, bitterness and begrudgery between clubs in the county. People might say its rich coming from Waterford accusing another county of not having the bottle for the big occasion but I believe in Waterford, Tipperary and KK and most other counties it is an honour to put on the county jersey and we always fight until the end no matter what. I sometimes get the feeling in Galway its not the same hunger and desire to die for that county jersey.

Deiseen · 19-03-2017 11:19pm

While i agree the performances have been abysmal and management tactics are (as always) a cause of concern, people need to realise it's only March and its only the league.

The league can be crazy. Tipp didn't make the final last year but blew everyone away in championship, so calm down.

tomwaterford · 20-03-2017 4:29am

Deiseen wrote: »

While i agree the performances have been abysmal and management tactics are (as always) a cause of concern, people need to realise it's only March and its only the league.

The league can be crazy. Tipp didn't make the final last year but blew everyone away in championship, so calm down.

Do you honesty expect waterford to blow everyone in the championship??

Deiseen · 20-03-2017 7:02am

tomwaterford wrote: »

Deiseen wrote: »

While i agree the performances have been abysmal and management tactics are (as always) a cause of concern, people need to realise it's only March and its only the league.

The league can be crazy. Tipp didn't make the final last year but blew everyone away in championship, so calm down.

Do you honesty expect waterford to blow everyone in the championship??

No, i never said that. But we can't be saying we have regressed from last year when it's only March.

PTH2009 · 20-03-2017 8:50pm

Come on Dublin and Cork as if both win we will go through in 4th no matter what result we get in Clare (as we would beat Dublin on the head too head)

We could finish 2nd if we beat Clare and Cork lose.

A Kilkenny win and lose for us means we're in the Relegation Playoff

Its great for the 1A division that with the exception of Tipperary, 2nd-6th place will only be decided on the final day and all teams have something too play for

PTH2009 · 21-03-2017 2:59pm

deferred coverage of our game on TG4 Sunday after the live Tyrone vs Mayo game

http://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2017/0321/861402-at-a-glance-final-round-possibilities-in-hurling-leag/

enoughtaken · 21-03-2017 3:09pm

PTH2009 wrote: »

deferred coverage of our game on TG4 Sunday after the live Tyrone vs Mayo game

http://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2017/0321/861402-at-a-glance-final-round-possibilities-in-hurling-leag/

It wasn't pretty watching our last deferred coverage. Hopefully better this time round.

PTH2009 · 21-03-2017 4:02pm

enoughtaken wrote: »

It wasn't pretty watching our last deferred coverage. Hopefully better this time round.

yeah it all boils down to a few factors sunday

What Clare will show up ???

What Waterford will show up ???

How arsed Derek Mcgrath is about the game and QF/Relegation playoffs ??? (saying to himself, ah we lose this and we go into a easy(**** all easy about it imo) relegation playoff at home to Dublin and were guaranteed to be finished League hurling on the 2nd April, we could possibly play Kilkenny in the relegation playoff too ??. Sure according to him the league is not important and 1B wont be a bad place to be. Prob do a intense workout at mid day on the day of the game and be ****ed by throw in

I hope we give it everything up there and make amends for the disaster of a performance over Cork. Barron will be a huge loss and it showed when he went off injured already this season. We have the players to be at least in a league QF and dont need the added pressure of being relegated

redlead · 21-03-2017 9:10pm

enoughtaken wrote: »

It wasn't pretty watching our last deferred coverage. Hopefully better this time round.

It's not pretty watching any of our games to be fair. About 10 lads in the middle of a ruck in midfield scrapping to pick the ball up only to hit it up the field to no-one

hurler on de ditch · 21-03-2017 10:11pm

enoughtaken wrote: »

It wasn't pretty watching our last deferred coverage. Hopefully better this time round.

whats that saying about,doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result!

hardybuck · 22-03-2017 10:01am

On the news this morning they mentioned that McGrath is taking a leave of absence from DLS college to focus on the Waterford job.

Fair play to someone for wanting to give it 100% - but is he off the wall!?

Deise Gael · 22-03-2017 10:22am

Good man Derek - some martyr.

http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/hurling/mcgrath-taking-career-break-to-focus-on-waterford-35553945.html

JesusRef · 22-03-2017 10:30am

hardybuck wrote: »

On the news this morning they mentioned that McGrath is taking a leave of absence from DLS college to focus on the Waterford job.

Fair play to someone for wanting to give it 100% - but is he off the wall!?

He took Parental leave last year as well

JesusRef · 22-03-2017 10:34am

Deise Gael wrote: »

Good man Derek - some martyr.

http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/hurling/mcgrath-taking-career-break-to-focus-on-waterford-35553945.html

In fairness it is - the man is putting his professional and certain aspects of his personal life on hold - for what is a hobby.

Regardless of all the b!tching and whining on here about his methods, no-one can fault the man is giving it all he can and taking a leave of absence 2 years in a row is way above thr call of duty.

Its easy to gripe and moan from the sidelines - but what McGrath is doing is putting your mouth is, walking the walk - whatever you want to call it

whiteandblue · 22-03-2017 11:24am

I don't know Derek McGrath or how many kids he has or whatever but surely he is taking unpaid leave to give everything a "non-paid" position? Must be a well-off man to be take career breaks like he does!
I feel if he spent less time speaking to the media or attending different events like the Golf Classic launch he was at yesterday, he could concentrate on both teaching and managing Waterford, there's plenty doing it like Eamonn Fitzmaurice who is actually coaching a school's team in an All-Ireland final this week as well as coaching Kerry and having a young family

dubcat51 · 22-03-2017 11:51am

Said at the start of the year he would be the manager most under pressure.

cul beag · 22-03-2017 12:54pm

dubcat51 wrote: »

Said at the start of the year he would be the manager most under pressure.

There's definitely a hidden agenda with all these friendly,accessible interviews. He's fooling nobody.

ThaiTanic · 22-03-2017 1:10pm

Mcgrath is some fairy in fairness. This sounds like he's bartering for an extra year off the county board to be honest. He'd want to F off before he puts waterford Hurling back 20 years!

Mcgrath knows his faith this year, relegation in the league, hammered in munster and bet again in an ai quarter/semi!

The sooner he's gone the better, and he can take a few of his pets with him!

Deise189 · 22-03-2017 5:36pm

I'm normally one of the first to defend Derek and his tactics when talking about Waterford hurling but if he needs to take a year off work to focus on managing our hurlers then I'm not looking forward to whatever tactics he needs so much time to work on. I'll gladly take an All Ireland playing the ****e we do at the minute but I think that this means it's going to get worse as opposed to a more open free flowing game plan. I hope Derek and co prove that I know feck all about him or hurling in general though and that I'll be eating my hat come the summer

Deise Gael · 22-03-2017 5:53pm

God help us, Brian Cody's ex pupils must be barely able to read or write!

thesultan · 22-03-2017 7:00pm

Deise Gael wrote: »

God help us, Brian Cody's ex pupils must be barely able to read or write!

He has been off since Christmas.

dubcat51 · 22-03-2017 7:19pm

Great 2 have a job where u can take that amount of time off and not be sick

jelutong · 22-03-2017 10:16pm

thesultan wrote: »

He has been off since Christmas.

He's retired, an ex teacher.

PTH2009 · 22-03-2017 10:31pm

Mite see Derek down in the social on the cork road signing on lol. Taking a sabatical is his choice so who are ye to judge

Maurices hearing is 2morrow night and if cleared is free to play Sunday. Nobody is giving us a hope Sunday

letowski · 22-03-2017 10:51pm

PTH2009 wrote:

Nobody is giving us a hope Sunday

Why?

PTH2009 · 22-03-2017 11:14pm

letowski wrote: »

Why?

The way we're playing ATM

Clare's impressive home record

McGraths true low opinion of the league

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