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    Rescue 116 Crash at Blackrock, Co Mayo(Mod note in post 1)

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    • #392
      irishgeo
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      Sea forecast for tomorrow is pretty much like today but gales are forecast for Friday.


    • #393
      Gadgetman496
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      Revealed Final words of Coast Guard Rescue 116's helicopter pilot

      "Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid."



    • #394
      irishgeo
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      Gadgetman496 wrote: »
      Revealed Final words of Coast Guard Rescue 116's helicopter pilot

      Descending from 4000ft. It's unlikely they hit the lighthouse so.


    • #395
      El Weirdo
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      Gadgetman496 wrote: »
      Revealed Final words of Coast Guard Rescue 116's helicopter pilot

      What a disgustingly horrible, click-baity headline.


    • #396
      Calina
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      irishgeo wrote: »
      Descending from 4000ft. It's unlikely they hit the lighthouse so.

      I am not sure. This is the last contact they had. From what I can see, there was a 30 minute time gap between the contact, and the attempt to contact them. I suspect the failed attempt to contact was made because they disappeared from the radar. I'm not sure you can be certain they were still at 4000 feet at that point in time.


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    • #397
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      I was talking with a friend who is a pilot. He said that it would be normal to pass over the landing point & fly out to sea. Then turn back in & descend to approach low over the water thereby avoiding any obstacles. They could of been very low if they were searching for the cloudbase.


    • #398
      irishgeo
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      Calina wrote: »
      I am not sure. This is the last contact they had. From what I can see, there was a 30 minute time gap between the contact, and the attempt to contact them. I suspect the failed attempt to contact was made because they disappeared from the radar. I'm not sure you can be certain they were still at 4000 feet at that point in time.

      Certainly weren't as low as the lighthouse which is still a good bit from the blacksod if flying normally.


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      jmayo wrote: »
      Does anyone know what the forecast is like for the next couple of days.

      Here's hoping there is a long enough window in the weather.
      http://xcweather.co.uk/forecast/achill_island

      Blowing up on Friday to Sunday afternoon.


    • #400
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      irishgeo wrote: »
      Certainly weren't as low as the lighthouse which is still a good bit from the blacksod if flying normally.

      What was the cloudbase that night ?


    • #401
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      irishgeo wrote: »
      Certainly weren't as low as the lighthouse which is still a good bit from the blacksod if flying normally.

      There's a near 30 minute time gap. You can only know they were at 4000 feet at the point at which the coversation took place. After that, we have to hope that the data recorder will tell us where they were.


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    • #402
      Calina
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      El Weirdo wrote: »
      What a disgustingly horrible, click-baity headline.

      The recording is actually on the liveatc site for Shannon as it happens. I find the headline a bit of overkill for what was anodyne conversation taking place potentially 30 minutes before anything might have happened to worry about.

      That being said, there is a BBC documentary about the loss of the Solomon Brown, the Penlee Lifeboat, about 30 years ago and they have tape of the coastguard trying to contact the lifeboat and getting no reply when they vanished in the middle of a conversation. There's something utterly heartbreaking listening to that.


    • #403
      Steve
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      irishgeo wrote: »
      Descending from 4000ft. It's unlikely they hit the lighthouse so.

      Anyone know MSA for the area?

      I was also worried they collided with black rock as that's the last AIS fix, unlikely though.


    • #404
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      Discodog wrote: »
      I was talking with a friend who is a pilot. He said that it would be normal to pass over the landing point & fly out to sea. Then turn back in & descend to approach low over the water thereby avoiding any obstacles. They could of been very low if they were searching for the cloudbase.
      post 180 shows this
      Shane_ef wrote: »
      14-47-lgird-60sms.jpg


    • #405
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      Steve wrote: »
      Anyone know MSA for the area?

      I was also worried they collided with black rock as that's the last AIS fix, unlikely though.

      Pat Kenny actually asked about it during an interview yesterday.

      These accidents are rarely the result of one thing. It's usually a series of events. Flying low over water gives little time to correct problems


    • #406
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      Calina wrote: »
      You're not being very logical about it. The fact that Shannon or Malin might have tried to contact them three times and got no response means that there absolutely was no time to communicate a mayday. Otherwise they would have answered.

      Look at it like this. Let's assume you lose control of your car. Do you a) grab your phone and phone someone to say "I'm losing control of my car" or do you b) turn the wheel in an effort to get control back?

      I realise there were 2 pilots in the helicopter but the assumption must be that if no call for aid was made, then there was no time for it. This is not a Hollywood film where there's a long drawn out sequence of a pilot frantically crying Mayday Mayday Mayday.

      I'm quite aware time might not have been on the side of the pilots. I wasn't aware this is a competition. Just wait the findings is the best way, no point in point scoring. Or accusing posters of not being logical.

      The whole damn scenario is not logical.


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      tricky D wrote: »
      post 180 shows this

      Yes. There is debate about this earlier in the thread & I thought it strange to approach downwind but that is the procedure. There are lots of cases of aircraft hitting the sea when they are searching for the cloud base.


    • #408
      irishgeo
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      Pretty sure reports said it was poor visibility with rain. It cleared up after that though.


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      irishgeo wrote: »
      Pretty sure reports said it was poor visibility with rain. It cleared up after that though.

      I am assuming that they rely on visual to land at Blacksod. If the wreckage is that close to the Island, even allowing for movement, drift etc, it still seems to be very close


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      Any chance they could have mixed up Blackrock with Blacksod and were approaching Blackrock with a view to land there?

      Blacksod is pretty much at sea level where blackrock is a lot higher.


    • #411
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      deuceswild wrote: »
      Any chance they could have mixed up Blackrock with Blacksod and were approaching Blackrock with a view to land there?

      Blacksod is pretty much at sea level where blackrock is a lot higher.

      Not a chance IMO


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    • #412
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      Just in case any media try to amend the facts, this is my live recording as R116 left Dublin.
      http://archive-server.liveatc.net/eidw/EIDW3-Twr-118600-Mar-13-2017-2300Z.mp3


    • #413
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      Was the S92 equipped with any type of forward looking ground radar detection? This incident made me think of the 94 Mull of Kintyre crash especially if the wreck is reported to be only 60 metres out.


    • #414
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      El Weirdo wrote: »
      What a disgustingly horrible, click-baity headline.
      The whole story on RTE this evening was very off putting. Hope they find the others and answers to what happened.


    • #415
      irishgeo
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      blackrock has a helicopter landing pad.

      Granuaile is on the move to blacksod but its only just passing dublin. wont arrive till friday at least.


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      jimmycrackcorm wrote: »
      Was the S92 equipped with any type of forward looking ground radar detection? This incident made me think of the 94 Mull of Kintyre crash especially if the wreck is reported to be only 60 metres out.

      Not sure looking for info myself and found this its a powerpoint presentation page 17 and 18 G-REDW Ditching - IOSH

      this year s92 check for rear rotor issues https://stv.tv/news/north/1377995-safety-checks-reveal-faults-with-north-sea-helicopters/


    • #417
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      irishgeo wrote: »
      blackrock has a helicopter landing pad.

      Granuaile is on the move to blacksod but its only just passing dublin. wont arrive till friday at least.

      Would have thought it would be quicker for it to head round the southern coast and up the west coast


    • #418
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      RJTrCk


    • #419
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      Large parts of debris, specifically the tail area, were recovered from Blackrock Island itself, in the area of the lighthouse and adjoining building.

      And no, I can't link to a source, as the info came direct from someone who saw it.


    • #420
      irishgeo
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      cosanostra wrote: »
      Would have thought it would be quicker for it to head round the southern coast and up the west coast

      i wouldnt know which way is quicker.


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    • #421
      irishgeo
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      eatmyshorts wrote: »
      Large parts of debris, specifically the tail area, were recovered from Blackrock Island itself, in the area of the lighthouse and adjoining building.

      :eek:


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