NBP: National Broadband Plan Announced

digiman · 18-02-2017 02:46PM

9726_9726 wrote: »

If an Enet MAN runs 50m from your house you should be able to get an install for €1250 and 100Mbps to another place on the same MAN €6K per annum on a 24 month contract. You'd need an internet supply at the top end feeding it though.

But you are paying for a carrier grade uncontended connection with a business grade SLA. The SLA will be a large part of that cost.

Gonzo · 18-02-2017 04:11PM

I was just thinking what Eir should do is look at the B4RN model, recruit volunteers, unemployed people and train them similar to how B4RN trains the local community and get laying FTTH to the rural and one off housing under supervision. It could cut massively on the cost and they could roll out to every single home in the country. I'm sure if such a scheme existed, alot of people currently waiting anything up to 10 years before they see anything would be more than delighted to help Eir build a network in their local community.

rob808 · 18-02-2017 04:41PM

Gonzo wrote: »

I was just thinking what Eir should do is look at the B4RN model, recruit volunteers, unemployed people and train them similar to how B4RN trains the local community and get laying FTTH to the rural and one off housing under supervision. It could cut massively on the cost and they could roll out to every single home in the country. I'm sure if such a scheme existed, alot of people currently waiting anything up to 10 years before they see anything would be more than delighted to help Eir build a network in their local community.

The NBP a job creator so it should help with unemployment,and while FTTH expensive it should pay for itself in 25 years.The B4RN model would never work in Ireland to many obstacles in the way.

ED E · 18-02-2017 05:34PM

Gonzo wrote: »

I was just thinking what Eir should do is look at the B4RN model, recruit volunteers, unemployed people and train them similar to how B4RN trains the local community and get laying FTTH to the rural and one off housing under supervision. It could cut massively on the cost and they could roll out to every single home in the country. I'm sure if such a scheme existed, alot of people currently waiting anything up to 10 years before they see anything would be more than delighted to help Eir build a network in their local community.

You really think the field crews would allow that? A single fault wouldnt be fixed until the idea was binned.

Gonzo · 18-02-2017 08:23PM

ED E wrote: »

You really think the field crews would allow that? A single fault wouldnt be fixed until the idea was binned.

I know they would never ever go for it, it would just be a cheaper option for them to do more areas. But yeah I can just imagine much more faults happening.

KOR101 · 18-02-2017 08:50PM

'Shambolic' rollout of Broadband

http://www.independent.ie/regionals/corkman/news/shambolic-rollout-of-broadband-35454714.html

Johnboy1951 · 18-02-2017 09:25PM

KOR101 wrote: »

'Shambolic' rollout of Broadband

http://www.independent.ie/regionals/corkman/news/shambolic-rollout-of-broadband-35454714.html

"The rollout of the National Broadband Plan has been nothing short of shambolic, and the Government are working at the speed of a 1990s dial-up connection", said the Fianna Fáil TD.

A shambolic roll out that has not started yet. yep. par for the course I guess.

ItHurtsWhenIP · 18-02-2017 11:21PM

KOR101 wrote: »

'Shambolic' rollout of Broadband

http://www.independent.ie/regionals/corkman/news/shambolic-rollout-of-broadband-35454714.html

I love this one:

But even this target is too low: "30 mbps is woefully low as a target when the US government have already determined that anything less than 50 mbps cannot be classed as broadband.

30 Mbps (guaranteed minimum) is just fine ... for now ... but obviously it needs to grow as time goes on.

And I wouldn't be trusting anything coming out of the US Government right now. :rolleyes:

Gonzo · 18-02-2017 11:37PM

the 30 Mbps target, I think was originally referenced in 2012, back then 30 Mbps sounded really good, it won't be enough by the time the NBP get's started so they will be aiming for much higher.

marno21 · 19-02-2017 12:42AM

Gonzo wrote: »

the 30 Mbps target, I think was originally referenced in 2012, back then 30 Mbps sounded really good, it won't be enough by the time the NBP get's started so they will be aiming for much higher.

The way things are going all the hard to reach rural areas will be covered with full FTTH, and the areas surviving on 30-100Mbps will be clusters that would be much easier (and commercially cheaper) to upgrade. I wouldn't be too worried about the future for those areas.

SkepticQuark · 19-02-2017 02:39AM

This is just another case of FF trying to score brownie points when in reality anyone with some bit of a brain between their ears would know they would be doing exactly the same if they were in government when it comes to broadband.

marno21 · 19-02-2017 03:13AM

roddy15 wrote: »

This is just another case of FF trying to score brownie points when in reality anyone with some bit of a brain between their ears would know they would be doing exactly the same if they were in government when it comes to broadband.

Broadband is one element of infrastructure this government isn't making a heap of. Why don't they attack the Metro North/DART Underground/M20 etc mess going on

damienirel · 19-02-2017 11:20AM

9726_9726 wrote: »

If an Enet MAN runs 50m from your house you should be able to get an install for €1250 and 100Mbps to another place on the same MAN €6K per annum on a 24 month contract. You'd need an internet supply at the top end feeding it though.

It's the 6k per annum I'd object to! Lol!

damienirel · 07-03-2017 02:19PM

NBP Map is getting updated soon....

http://www.independent.ie/business/farming/rural-life/green-light-for-high-fibre-rural-broadband-35507409.html

9726_9726 · 07-03-2017 05:07PM

damienirel wrote: »

NBP Map is getting updated soon....

http://www.independent.ie/business/farming/rural-life/green-light-for-high-fibre-rural-broadband-35507409.html

Gotta have that "high fibre rural broadband"

damienirel · 07-03-2017 07:15PM

9726_9726 wrote: »

Gotta have that "high fibre rural broadband"

Essential for a healthy diet of wfh, netflix, spotify, steam and other general purposes.

KOR101 · 09-03-2017 05:24PM

http://www.longfordleader.ie/news/local-news/239031/longford-delight-as-inaugural-meeting-of-government-s-mobile-phone-and-broadband-taskforce-implementation-group-takes-place.html

damienirel · 10-03-2017 12:29PM

http://www.irishtimes.com/business/technology/only-7-623-houses-have-fibre-broadband-despite-claims-1.3004545

damienirel · 10-03-2017 12:33PM

https://www.siliconrepublic.com/comms/broadband-comreg-q4

pegasus1 · 10-03-2017 01:07PM

damienirel wrote: »

http://www.irishtimes.com/business/technology/only-7-623-houses-have-fibre-broadband-despite-claims-1.3004545

So Enet are throwing a tantrum....wonder whats that all about?

damienirel · 10-03-2017 01:08PM

pegasus1 wrote: »

So Enet are throwing a tantrum....wonder whats that all about?

Guess they aren't selling too much product yet? I dunno. Good question.

pegasus1 · 10-03-2017 01:14PM

damienirel wrote: »

Guess they aren't selling too much product yet? I dunno. Good question.

One of three contenders for two job lots....now let me think for a mo...

damienirel · 10-03-2017 01:17PM

pegasus1 wrote: »

One of three contenders for two job lots....now let me think for a mo...

They own a lot of the MANs along with ESB - so the whole NBP tender for them I'd imagine is kinda window dressing - they're only interesting in selling what they have to Eir mainly, guess they're just moaning about how slow the whole Eir fibre rollout has been, they have a point.

Gonzo · 10-03-2017 01:19PM

“We’ve all seen them – 1.9 million here, 500,000 thousand there but today ComReg have stated that there are actually only 7,623 subscribers benefitting from a genuine fibre connection,” he said.

The above is very misleading. First of all the majority of the FTTH connections in Ireland so far are urban by Siro and Eir's 66 towns scheme. The benefits of FTTH is currently falling on deaf ears in those areas as there are cheaper alternatives which are still very fast and especially in Virgin Media areas.

I said it back before the rural blue line scheme even existed, that rolling out FTTH to areas with already great internet is not going to sell that well, and that it's badly needed in rural areas.

It may take several years before FTTH will be a success in these areas. Virgin Media areas will be very tough to crack even into the 2020s as they up their speeds all the time and keep their prices relatively low. Both Eir and Siro's FTTH are not really competitive compared to Virgin Media.

The remaining FTTH premises live, currently less than 10,000 premises are in rural areas and this is where I expect most sales to happen once Eir's FTTH rural rollout really makes some progress.

damienirel · 10-03-2017 01:54PM

Gonzo wrote: »

I expect most sales to happen once Eir's FTTH rural rollout really makes some progress.

That's the part we're all waiting for the "progress" part. The current state is SFA have fibre available to them, never mind subscribe.

oscarBravo · 10-03-2017 01:55PM

damienirel wrote: »

They own a lot of the MANs along with ESB...

They don't own any of the MANs (with the exception of Castlebar, which enet built with their own money) and they have nothing to do with ESB. The MANs are owned by the local authorities, and enet won the tender to operate them on behalf of the government.

damienirel · 10-03-2017 02:09PM

Good to know I thought they owned a lot more, either way they make money from other companies wishing to use them, I guess that is the point of my post.

BandMember · 10-03-2017 02:27PM

damienirel wrote: »

http://www.irishtimes.com/business/technology/only-7-623-houses-have-fibre-broadband-despite-claims-1.3004545

I'm getting really sick and tired of articles like this. As myself and others have said on pretty much every thread like this, even if they connected every single house in the country with 1GB FTTH in the morning, there would still be up to 18 months before you would start to see an uptake on it because

(a) the ISP's are not giving accurate information, if indeed they give any at all, of when areas will go live so people are looking elsewhere which leads to

(b) people being stuck in contracts as a result of this.

Also, (c) pricing is an issue. Most importantly though

(d) there are a lot of people in rural areas who don't actually know how to use broadband or what broadband can actually do because they've never known anything other than just above dial up speeds with very low data limits. Once they figure out what you can actually do and word of mouth spreads, you'll see a larger uptake.

(e) Don't forget though, not everyone will either want, need or be in a position to sign up any service like this. I'm thinking particularly in rural areas (which are mainly NBP areas) where there is a large elderly population, most of whom have never used nor will ever use the internet.

While huge numbers signing up straight away and finally getting proper broadband would be fantastic in an ideal world, the above are just some of the factors why it simply cannot happen. This is a project designed for the long term and the future - not for an instant quick fix. Anyone or any article like the one quoted in this post, are simply disingenious and should be challenged. However, just like every other topic in Ireland, people can just say any 'oul rubbish that comes into their head and people will accept it as a factual statement of truth, without actually bothering to think about it or check it out.

Rant over.

ED E · 10-03-2017 02:50PM

Im more interested in this tbh.

Average revenue per user in Ireland’s mobile market, a metric used by companies to assess the health of the market, was €23.01 per month in the final quarter of 2016, down from €24.62 per month in 2015.

Wonder what that number was in '14? As much as the greedy telcos are greedy telcos we need them to be making money for them to invest 10's of thousands per site for better LTE penetration.

Declining revenues + 95% Geographic instead of 95% Pop is going to leave us with a crippled cellular industry.

Edit:
Yep.

Average Revenue Per User (ARPU) in Q1 2014 was €26 per month, down from €28 on the
previous quarter.

oscarBravo · 10-03-2017 03:05PM

ED E wrote: »

Im more interested in this tbh.

Wonder what that number was in '14? As much as the greedy telcos are greedy telcos we need them to be making money for them to invest 10's of thousands per site for better LTE penetration.

Declining revenues + 95% Geographic instead of 95% Pop is going to leave us with a crippled cellular industry.

Edit:
Yep.

Right, but isn't ARPU higher in Ireland than elsewhere? In other words, is this merely a correction?

The Average Revenue per User (ARPU) continued to shrink in both fixed and mobile markets. In the EU-28, mobile ARPU is now €13, while fixed broadband ARPU is €23.7.

https://etno.eu/news/etno/2015/836

NBP: National Broadband Plan Announced

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