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NBP: National Broadband Plan Announced

ED E

They've published!

The government has published a new map outlining in detail 700,000 rural homes and businesses which will be connected to state-subsidised broadband of at least 30 megabits per second (Mbs) from 2016.

http://www.independent.ie/business/technology/news/revealed-700000-homes-and-businesses-to-get-subsidised-fast-broadband-in-new-plan-30769126.html

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damienirel

What is the difference between imagine and 4g on lets say 3? Both are lte.

Johnboy1951

ItHurtsWhenIP wrote: »

Lots of LOLz with this one statement.

No asterisk to state that some users don't get that in the evenings or that any of the customers who run a little over a pretty mickey mouse limit don't have anything near it until midnight. :rolleyes:

And no comments section allowed to correct the propaganda! :eek:

..... and no mention of all those who cannot avail of this service even though they are close to others who can .....

ItHurtsWhenIP

damienirel wrote: »

If you thought that last one was bad....here this made me puke in my mouth...

Lots of LOLz with this one statement.

Mr Bolger said Imagine customers were guaranteed a minimum download speed of 30 Mbps, which happens to be the minimum speed set down in the NBP tender.

No asterisk to state that some users don't get that in the evenings or that any of the customers who run a little over a pretty mickey mouse limit don't have anything near it until midnight. :rolleyes:

And no comments section allowed to correct the propaganda! :eek:

damienirel

plodder wrote: »

Maybe this is timely; announced this week.

Germany to roll out €100bn gigabit internet network: Preparing for the Internet of Things

Is murphaph available for comment now? Sure we Irish are way ahead aren't we!! Ze Germans don't have a clue! :rolleyes:

MajesticDonkey

plodder wrote: »

Maybe this is timely; announced this week.

Germany to roll out €100bn gigabit internet network: Preparing for the Internet of Things

I know there's obviously a massive geographical size difference, but that kinda puts our €500 million plan to shame...

plodder

Maybe this is timely; announced this week.

Germany to roll out €100bn gigabit internet network: Preparing for the Internet of Things

Germany's federal government plans to roll out a gigabit internet service across Germany by 2025, through a government and private consortium known as Netzallianz Digitales Deutschland.

The €100bn project will focus on bandwidth, security and response times, minister for transport and digital infrastructure Alexander Dobrindt said.

Developments including virtual reality and the internet of things will bring enormous data growth, and the need for more bandwidth, reliable real-time transmission and intelligent networks, Dobrindt said.

damienirel

Gonzo wrote: »

lol @ that article.

Why would I ever want a stable fixed fibre to the home solution with up to 1000megs/second now and future upgrade paths, low pings, low contention and reasonable data allowance when I could instead go for Imagine LTE with a wireless signal which may provide half decent speeds, contention issues, a data allowance not fit for purpose, no access to the router, watching the clock and setting steaming services to 480/720p to save on data. Oh and the product will also be obsolete by 2020.

Bang on!

Gonzo

damienirel wrote: »

If you thought that last one was bad....here this made me puke in my mouth...

lol @ that article.

Why would I ever want a stable fixed fibre to the home solution with up to 1000megs/second now and future upgrade paths, low pings, low contention and reasonable data allowance when I could instead go for Imagine LTE with a wireless signal which may provide half decent speeds, contention issues, a data allowance not fit for purpose, no access to the router, watching the clock and setting steaming services to 480/720p to save on data. Oh and the product will also be obsolete by 2020.

damienirel

BandMember wrote: »

I'm getting really sick and tired of articles like this.

If you thought that last one was bad....here this made me puke in my mouth...

damienirel

BandMember wrote: »

I'm getting really sick and tired of articles like this. As myself and others have said on pretty much every thread like this, even if they connected every single house in the country with 1GB FTTH in the morning, there would still be up to 18 months before you would start to see an uptake on it because

(a) the ISP's are not giving accurate information, if indeed they give any at all, of when areas will go live so people are looking elsewhere which leads to

(b) people being stuck in contracts as a result of this.

Also, (c) pricing is an issue. Most importantly though

(d) there are a lot of people in rural areas who don't actually know how to use broadband or what broadband can actually do because they've never known anything other than just above dial up speeds with very low data limits. Once they figure out what you can actually do and word of mouth spreads, you'll see a larger uptake.

(e) Don't forget though, not everyone will either want, need or be in a position to sign up any service like this. I'm thinking particularly in rural areas (which are mainly NBP areas) where there is a large elderly population, most of whom have never used nor will ever use the internet.

While huge numbers signing up straight away and finally getting proper broadband would be fantastic in an ideal world, the above are just some of the factors why it simply cannot happen. This is a project designed for the long term and the future - not for an instant quick fix. Anyone or any article like the one quoted in this post, are simply disingenious and should be challenged. However, just like every other topic in Ireland, people can just say any 'oul rubbish that comes into their head and people will accept it as a factual statement of truth, without actually bothering to think about it or check it out.

Rant over.

The articles sub title is misleading - the "poor uptake" they talk about is with the ISPs not the end customers. The fact of the matter is we are far behind in this "fibre rollout" and the NBP hasn't been tendered yet. I don't expect the current government to deliver either as elections are looming and they seem to be too busy putting out fires everywhere else that I fear that this NBP will drag on.
There is no will in government to get this done - and we will be waiting for private operators to fill in the gaps as previous posters mentioned there has been noticeable drops in revenue albeit in mobile but I would think it will have a knock on effect. Watch this space.

ED E

oscarBravo wrote: »

Right, but isn't ARPU higher in Ireland than elsewhere? In other words, is this merely a correction?

https://etno.eu/news/etno/2015/836

Not sure we can make that comparison.

We're cheaper on the face of it than the UK which has a much higher density and this is cheaper to service and OFCOM fees are much more reasonable.

The EU28 ARPU also includes the likes of Poland and Czech Rep where labour costs are 1/5th (30GB/mo can be as low as €6 in PL).

The bit that worries me is Vodafone trending towards Three, they used to be the one holdout for premium cost premium service.

Edit: Maybe you're right. Finland has a home advantage of NSN and a history of cell vs fixed line but also the high cost of ultra low density.

wexfordman2

Jaysus lads, I would have thought from a pricing perspective mobile telcos are down to the wire, especially when you can get unlimited everything for 25 to 30 Euro a month.

40 years ago a phone call was 20 pence a minute and even today a land-line still costs 25 Euro a month before you even lift the handset.

The competion issue with the mobile operators is more down to getting enough coverage, not pricing

oscarBravo

ED E wrote: »

Im more interested in this tbh.

Wonder what that number was in '14? As much as the greedy telcos are greedy telcos we need them to be making money for them to invest 10's of thousands per site for better LTE penetration.

Declining revenues + 95% Geographic instead of 95% Pop is going to leave us with a crippled cellular industry.

Edit:
Yep.

Right, but isn't ARPU higher in Ireland than elsewhere? In other words, is this merely a correction?

The Average Revenue per User (ARPU) continued to shrink in both fixed and mobile markets. In the EU-28, mobile ARPU is now €13, while fixed broadband ARPU is €23.7.

https://etno.eu/news/etno/2015/836

ED E

Im more interested in this tbh.

Average revenue per user in Ireland’s mobile market, a metric used by companies to assess the health of the market, was €23.01 per month in the final quarter of 2016, down from €24.62 per month in 2015.

Wonder what that number was in '14? As much as the greedy telcos are greedy telcos we need them to be making money for them to invest 10's of thousands per site for better LTE penetration.

Declining revenues + 95% Geographic instead of 95% Pop is going to leave us with a crippled cellular industry.

Edit:
Yep.

Average Revenue Per User (ARPU) in Q1 2014 was €26 per month, down from €28 on the
previous quarter.

BandMember

damienirel wrote: »

http://www.irishtimes.com/business/technology/only-7-623-houses-have-fibre-broadband-despite-claims-1.3004545

I'm getting really sick and tired of articles like this. As myself and others have said on pretty much every thread like this, even if they connected every single house in the country with 1GB FTTH in the morning, there would still be up to 18 months before you would start to see an uptake on it because

(a) the ISP's are not giving accurate information, if indeed they give any at all, of when areas will go live so people are looking elsewhere which leads to

(b) people being stuck in contracts as a result of this.

Also, (c) pricing is an issue. Most importantly though

(d) there are a lot of people in rural areas who don't actually know how to use broadband or what broadband can actually do because they've never known anything other than just above dial up speeds with very low data limits. Once they figure out what you can actually do and word of mouth spreads, you'll see a larger uptake.

(e) Don't forget though, not everyone will either want, need or be in a position to sign up any service like this. I'm thinking particularly in rural areas (which are mainly NBP areas) where there is a large elderly population, most of whom have never used nor will ever use the internet.

While huge numbers signing up straight away and finally getting proper broadband would be fantastic in an ideal world, the above are just some of the factors why it simply cannot happen. This is a project designed for the long term and the future - not for an instant quick fix. Anyone or any article like the one quoted in this post, are simply disingenious and should be challenged. However, just like every other topic in Ireland, people can just say any 'oul rubbish that comes into their head and people will accept it as a factual statement of truth, without actually bothering to think about it or check it out.

Rant over.

damienirel

Good to know I thought they owned a lot more, either way they make money from other companies wishing to use them, I guess that is the point of my post.

oscarBravo

damienirel wrote: »

They own a lot of the MANs along with ESB...

They don't own any of the MANs (with the exception of Castlebar, which enet built with their own money) and they have nothing to do with ESB. The MANs are owned by the local authorities, and enet won the tender to operate them on behalf of the government.

damienirel

Gonzo wrote: »

I expect most sales to happen once Eir's FTTH rural rollout really makes some progress.

That's the part we're all waiting for the "progress" part. The current state is SFA have fibre available to them, never mind subscribe.

Gonzo

“We’ve all seen them – 1.9 million here, 500,000 thousand there but today ComReg have stated that there are actually only 7,623 subscribers benefitting from a genuine fibre connection,” he said.

The above is very misleading. First of all the majority of the FTTH connections in Ireland so far are urban by Siro and Eir's 66 towns scheme. The benefits of FTTH is currently falling on deaf ears in those areas as there are cheaper alternatives which are still very fast and especially in Virgin Media areas.

I said it back before the rural blue line scheme even existed, that rolling out FTTH to areas with already great internet is not going to sell that well, and that it's badly needed in rural areas.

It may take several years before FTTH will be a success in these areas. Virgin Media areas will be very tough to crack even into the 2020s as they up their speeds all the time and keep their prices relatively low. Both Eir and Siro's FTTH are not really competitive compared to Virgin Media.

The remaining FTTH premises live, currently less than 10,000 premises are in rural areas and this is where I expect most sales to happen once Eir's FTTH rural rollout really makes some progress.

damienirel

pegasus1 wrote: »

One of three contenders for two job lots....now let me think for a mo...

They own a lot of the MANs along with ESB - so the whole NBP tender for them I'd imagine is kinda window dressing - they're only interesting in selling what they have to Eir mainly, guess they're just moaning about how slow the whole Eir fibre rollout has been, they have a point.

pegasus1

damienirel wrote: »

Guess they aren't selling too much product yet? I dunno. Good question.

One of three contenders for two job lots....now let me think for a mo...

damienirel

pegasus1 wrote: »

So Enet are throwing a tantrum....wonder whats that all about?

Guess they aren't selling too much product yet? I dunno. Good question.

pegasus1

damienirel wrote: »

http://www.irishtimes.com/business/technology/only-7-623-houses-have-fibre-broadband-despite-claims-1.3004545

So Enet are throwing a tantrum....wonder whats that all about?

damienirel

https://www.siliconrepublic.com/comms/broadband-comreg-q4

damienirel

http://www.irishtimes.com/business/technology/only-7-623-houses-have-fibre-broadband-despite-claims-1.3004545

KOR101

http://www.longfordleader.ie/news/local-news/239031/longford-delight-as-inaugural-meeting-of-government-s-mobile-phone-and-broadband-taskforce-implementation-group-takes-place.html

damienirel

9726_9726 wrote: »

Gotta have that "high fibre rural broadband"

Essential for a healthy diet of wfh, netflix, spotify, steam and other general purposes.

9726_9726

damienirel wrote: »

NBP Map is getting updated soon....

http://www.independent.ie/business/farming/rural-life/green-light-for-high-fibre-rural-broadband-35507409.html

Gotta have that "high fibre rural broadband"

damienirel

NBP Map is getting updated soon....

http://www.independent.ie/business/farming/rural-life/green-light-for-high-fibre-rural-broadband-35507409.html

damienirel

9726_9726 wrote: »

If an Enet MAN runs 50m from your house you should be able to get an install for €1250 and 100Mbps to another place on the same MAN €6K per annum on a 24 month contract. You'd need an internet supply at the top end feeding it though.

It's the 6k per annum I'd object to! Lol!