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  • #632
    Johnboy1951
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,924 ✭✭✭✭Johnboy1951


    lukeeman wrote: »
    When the connect boxs comes out will you need 2 cables from ariel to boxs for recording and watching different channels.

    No ...... the DVB-T (terrestrial) aerial wire can be split to feed two inputs IF that should be necessary. It shouldn't, as the 'split' should be done within the device.


  • #633
    Hibrasil
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 392 ✭✭Hibrasil


    From Todays Irish Independent:

    RTE has put the design contract for its Saorview service out to tender.

    The freeview service is currently used by more than 670,000 households around the country - about 42pc of the total that have a TV service.
    Issuing a request for tenders this week, RTE said that it wants to appoint a single agency to provide creative services for Saorview.

    RTE also pointed out that it was still planning to launch its Saorview Connect service.
    The broadcaster announced in January last year that it had teamed up with UK-based free-to-air firm Freesat - which is owned by ITV and the BBC - to provide a new service here called Saorview Connect.

    RTE said the new service was due to begin in 2016. However, it has still not been launched.
    The Saorview Connect service will enable viewers to hook a set-top box up to their broadband service, with a range of new features, including content recommendations, programme title search, and enhanced recording capabilities.

    RTE has told prospective tenders for the Saorview design contract that it still intends launching the Connect service.
    "The launch of Saorview Connect will give rise to the need for updates to services and pages on the Saorview website," it noted.

    "In addition, it is intended that the current Saorview branding be deployed in the creation of new branded materials for the launch of Saorview Connect, in respect of advertising on print, TV, online, in electrical retail stores and on social media."


  • #634
    The Cush
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,128 ✭✭✭✭The Cush


    Link to that article - RTE seeks design agency for Saorview as 'Connect' nears

    The tender published this week
    Short description
    Saorview Brand - 17P009 Saorview Brand Creative and Website Management Services

    Detailed description
    Saorview requires brand creative services including brand development, graphic design, motion graphics, copy-writing, advertising campaign design and execution The successful tenderer will demonstrate an understanding of the Saorview brand.

    https://irl.eu-supply.com/app/rfq/publicpurchase_frameset.asp?PID=108520&B=ETENDERS_SIMPLE&PS=1&PP=ctm/Supplier/publictenders

    So it looks like quiet a way to go, brand development and advertising campaign design work yet to be done.


  • #635
    byte
    Moderators, Regional North West Moderators Posts: 19,182 Mod ✭✭✭✭byte
    byte


    Aye, a long road awaits yet.

    I'm more interested in the hardware side of things, like the set top boxes etc. I wonder will it be a few Vestel rebadges like Walker and Nordmende, or a higher tier product like Humax.


  • #636
    The Cush
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,128 ✭✭✭✭The Cush


    byte wrote: »
    I'm more interested in the hardware side of things, like the set top boxes etc. I wonder will it be a few Vestel rebadges like Walker and Nordmende, or a higher tier product like Humax.

    Manhattan were mentioned earlier
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=99805967#post99805967
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=101665811


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  • #637
    The Cush
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,128 ✭✭✭✭The Cush


    Hibrasil wrote: »
    From Todays Irish Independent:

    RTE has put the design contract for its Saorview service out to tender.

    Request for tenders closed earlier today - https://irl.eu-supply.com/app/rfq/publicpurchase_frameset.asp?PID=108520&B=ETENDERS_SIMPLE&PS=1&PP=ctm/Supplier/PublicTenders.

    This from the tender documents
    Contract Purpose

    RTÉ seeks a single agency to provide creative services for Saorview. The services required are as follows:

    - Brand Creative Services
    Saorview requires brand creative services including brand development, graphic design, motion graphics, copywriting, advertising campaign design and execution (across all platforms – television, online, social media, email, print and outdoor), product packaging design and POS collateral. The successful tenderer will demonstrate an understanding of the Saorview brand.

    - Website Content Creation and Management Services
    The Saorview website is managed externally and is hosted on RTÉ servers. Web Content Management Services include control of the existing CMS, development and publication of new content and support for technical and security upgrades as required to maintain a consistent and reliable online presence. The successful tenderer will demonstrate competence in both web design and web hosting for major organisations in Ireland.

    The Specification

    There are some 1.6m households with a television service. There are just over 670,000 homes that already have Saorview.

    Saorview operates in a horizontal market for equipment supply, whereby consumers purchase products that are designed to receive the service from retailers and installers across Ireland.

    As part of the development of the Saorview platform, we intend to launch a new service to be known as Saorview Connect. The Saorview Connect platform will utilise both Digital Terrestrial TV (DTT) and IP technology to deliver the service via a new type of Set-Top Box (STB) that consumers will purchase and connect to their TV.

    The launch of Saorview Connect will give rise to the need for updates to services and pages on the Saorview website. In addition, it is intended that the current Saorview branding be deployed in the creation of new branded materials for the launch of Saorview Connect, in respect of advertising on print, TV, online, in electrical retail stores and on social media.

    The successful tenderer will demonstrate experience in brand development, creative design and website development and support for corporate clients. They will be capable of working in co-operation with the Saorview team in RTÉ in developing and maintaining the Saorview brand and tone of voice in text and visual communications across multiple media to include web, online, print, and in-store. Experience in TV ad design and production is essential.

    Saorview is seeking a suitably qualified and experienced agency to manage its ongoing brand creative requirements, in line with current and evolving requirements. NOTE: RTÉ is the owner of the Saorview and Saorview Connect brands and associated trademarks and word marks.

    RTÉ owns and controls the domain www.saorview.ie, and the Saorview Twitter and Facebook accounts.

    Copright in all assets created under this contract will be vested in RTÉ.

    Term of contract

    The term of any contract awarded under this competition will be 24 months, with an option to extend for further periods of 1 year(s) up to a maximum period of 5 year(s) at the discretion of RTÉ.

    Also from the recent Saorview Contact Centre Services tender
    As part of the development of the Saorview platform, we intend to launch a new service to be known as Saorview Connect in 2017. The Saorview Connect platform will utilise both Digital Terrestrial TV (DTT) and IP technology to deliver the service via a new type of Set-Top Box (STB) that consumers will purchase and connect to their TV. It is envisaged that some TV sets will also feature Saorview Connect. Due to the launch of Saorview Connect, the successful tenderer will need to demonstrate competency in dealing with consumer technical and support queries in respect of DTT, IP, satellite and Consumer Electronics products. It is anticipated that the launch of Saorview Connect will be a significant driver of customer communications requirement.


  • #638
    Dave..M
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 693 ✭✭✭Dave..M


    At least satellite gets a mention in the contact centre section; I guess we can still live in hope it's not just tired old 'combi' no EPG & autotuneless FTA satellite! if it is god help them when/if they do large-scale tp and frequency changes!


  • #639
    Gerry Wicklow
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,574 ✭✭✭Gerry Wicklow


    No mention of Saorsat or is that what they mean in the passing reference to satellite competence. Why do I still get the feeling it will be a half-baked Oirish answer to an Irish problem. :(


  • #640
    FRIENDO
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,417 ✭✭✭FRIENDO


    It will be a right kick for anybody with Saorsat if this Connect combo is not Saorsat approved.

    At the moment we have no Saorsat approved stb on the market.


  • #641
    Dave..M
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 693 ✭✭✭Dave..M


    Ah yes; Saorsat, I forgot...

    One thing that puzzles me (or maybe it was mentioned earlier in this thread, I have tried to keep up with it!) is why the Walker 645 with Satfree & Saorview was pulled around the time Saorview Connect was due to come out, Was that just coincidence? I used to steer people that wanted to go FTA cheap or for multi room as they were simple for people to do freesat retunes and I'd have thought they were one of Walker's bigger sellers.


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  • #642
    Former Former
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,728 ✭✭✭Former Former


    FRIENDO wrote: »
    It will be a right kick for anybody with Saorsat if this Connect combo is not Saorsat approved.

    At the moment we have no Saorsat approved stb on the market.

    Why would anyone need a Saorsat/ Saorview combo?


  • #643
    Harry Palmr
    Closed Accounts Posts: 40,059 ✭✭✭✭Harry Palmr


    A saorsat/freesat combi would be a different beast would it not?

    edit you can tell I've not been paying attention - purely IP based for UK channels? I'm struggling to see why that is what the market wants, or is it just the only option available because Freesat will not/cannot licence their EPG service for the Irish market?


  • #644
    Johnboy1951
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,924 ✭✭✭✭Johnboy1951


    Former Former wrote: »
    Why would anyone need a Saorsat/ Saorview combo?

    Saorsat & IP combo?


  • #645
    FRIENDO
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,417 ✭✭✭FRIENDO


    Harry Palmr wrote:
    A saorsat/freesat combi would be a different beast would it not?


    Saorview/RTE have mentioned a combo as Saorview Connect (terrestrial/Sat tuner).
    At the moment we do not have a Saorsat approved stb produced at the moment.

    With the new Saorview connect combo about to enter the market - Why not have it Saorsat approved.

    It would be nice to have a mheg5 compatiable satellite tuner, we could have red button functions on BBC, along with RTE digital aertel with RTE.

    Also with the proposed internet services on the Saorview Connect stb -
    Will they be carried on the terrestrial broadcast ?
    Or will they be an app or service already installed on the stb ?


  • #646
    Capt'n Midnight
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 95,414 Mod ✭✭✭✭Capt'n Midnight


    Former Former wrote: »
    Why would anyone need a Saorsat/ Saorview combo?
    It's starting to get annoying that Saorsat blocks stuff that's on Saorview. I've nearly no interest in footie but it's the principle.

    For me the thing that's missing on free to air is TG4 HD. (most of what's on the quasi-UK channels I can get via freesat anyway)


    Will saorview connect supply HD, or can I get it on the interweb instead ?


  • #647
    The Cush
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,128 ✭✭✭✭The Cush


    FRIENDO wrote: »
    Also with the proposed internet services on the Saorview Connect stb -
    Will they be carried on the terrestrial broadcast ?
    Or will they be an app or service already installed on the stb ?

    No specific details yet but the linear channels will be via terrestrial broadcast and everything else via IP either already installed or downloadable. For example MHEG5 text over the broadcast stream will eventually be replaced by IP delivery of such services, when you select the text button on the remote and vice versa from IP to broadcast TV. Integration between the two is possible because of the HbbTV standard.

    Just recently in Germany details of the FreenetTV Connect HbbTV platform were announced which includes access to news, playback TV, additional IPTV channels, media libraries, etc.


  • #648
    FRIENDO
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,417 ✭✭✭FRIENDO


    The Cush wrote:
    HbbTV platform were announced which includes access to news, playback TV, additional IPTV channels, media libraries, etc.


    Thank Cush,

    So Germany will be going DVB-T2, with channels broadcasting terrestrial and some streamed over an internet connection.
    Also a note to see that private owned HD Channels will be behind a pay wall after a time.

    We may also see more channels added to the Saorview Connect platform with internet streaming.

    So going back to Saorview Connect Combo Re: Saorsat

    If the internet services are installed or download over the internet on the stb, if we have a Saorsat compatible/approved Sat tuner - it would make sense.

    Also from reading whats happening with a pay wall for private owned HD Channels, we may never see FTA TV3 HD Channels on Saorview.

    However no excuse for a State owned/funded TG4 HD not being FTA on Saorview/Saorsat.


  • #649
    Former Former
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,728 ✭✭✭Former Former


    Johnboy1951 wrote: »
    Saorsat & IP combo?

    Sorry, I thought by "combo" box, we meant satellite and terrestrial receivers in the one box, to which the Connect service would then be an added feature.

    There is zero chance of a new Saorsat box with this Connect lark installed. The numbers using Saorsat simply do not justify it.


  • #650
    FRIENDO
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,417 ✭✭✭FRIENDO


    Former Former wrote:
    Sorry, I thought by "combo" box, we meant satellite and terrestrial receivers in the one box, to which the Connect service would then be an added feature.


    If RTE/Saorview are going to introduce a new Saorview Connect Combo Terrestrial/Satellite,
    Well why not have the Sat tuner Saorsat approved!


    Having the Sat tuner Saorsat compatible/approved can only only offer better quality for the FTA sat user (television, audio,
    radio, data, electronic program guide, digital teletext services).


  • #651
    Johnboy1951
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,924 ✭✭✭✭Johnboy1951


    Former Former wrote: »
    Sorry, I thought by "combo" box, we meant satellite and terrestrial receivers in the one box, to which the Connect service would then be an added feature.

    There is zero chance of a new Saorsat box with this Connect lark installed. The numbers using Saorsat simply do not justify it.

    If there is a Satellite tuner in the box is there any reason it could not be used for Saorsat?
    So a combo Sat, DTT & IP box should fulfil needs for everyone.

    The point is without Sat this box is doomed to a very small market of those who do not know about 'FTA Sat' or who definitely do not want a Sat. dish at their home.

    There is a great 'excuse' should one be required, that the Sat tuner is for Saorsat.


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  • #652
    Tigerandahalf
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,820 ✭✭✭Tigerandahalf


    Given that a lot of people are in apartments or accomodation that don't allow dishes but these people still want freesat channels I wonder could the box be used to watch these freesat channels through IPTV.

    This would enable saorview to compete with the product offerings from virgin, sky and vodafone, etc. It would open up the saorview product to a lot more people.

    Or is that highly unlikely as the freesat channels wouldn't be paid for?


  • #653
    FRIENDO
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,417 ✭✭✭FRIENDO


    Tigerandahalf wrote:
    This would enable saorview to compete with the product offerings from virgin, sky and vodafone, etc. It would open up the saorview product to a lot more people.

    Tigerandahalf wrote:
    Or is that highly unlikely as the freesat channels wouldn't be paid for?


    Going by the German model, it could be the future to have some channels streamed over the internet.

    I would imagine Freesat channels will remain Free as long as they are FTA on Astra 2.

    A little worrying to see private owned HD TV stations going behind a pay wall in Germany, I would not like to see this happening in Britain.


  • #654
    Tigerandahalf
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,820 ✭✭✭Tigerandahalf


    FRIENDO wrote: »
    Going by the German model, it could be the future to have some channels streamed over the internet.

    I would imagine Freesat channels will remain Free as long as they are FTA on Astra 2.

    A little worrying to see private owned HD TV stations going behind a pay wall in Germany, I would not like to see this happening in Britain.

    It is possible that major sport events could become pay per view or elements of them, e.g. the Olympics - one basic feed on free to air could be free while you pay extra to view all channel feeds.

    The same could be done with the Champions league or World Cups etc.

    Whether there is enough of a market for that who knows.


  • #655
    Former Former
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,728 ✭✭✭Former Former


    Tigerandahalf wrote: »
    Given that a lot of people are in apartments or accomodation that don't allow dishes but these people still want freesat channels I wonder could the box be used to watch these freesat channels through IPTV.

    This would enable saorview to compete with the product offerings from virgin, sky and vodafone, etc. It would open up the saorview product to a lot more people.

    Or is that highly unlikely as the freesat channels wouldn't be paid for?

    I'm sorry to be so negative but I can't see this happening.

    There are some seriously unrealistic expectations of what this box is going to deliver. It's going to be:
    - A Saorview tuner
    - A non-Freesat-approved satellite tuner (so no 7-day EPG)
    - Built-in RTE and TG4 player

    No IPTV channels, no UK catchup services, and I doubt very much it will have TV3 involvement for the on-demand stuff.


  • #656
    Johnboy1951
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,924 ✭✭✭✭Johnboy1951


    Former Former wrote: »
    I'm sorry to be so negative but I can't see this happening.

    There are some seriously unrealistic expectations of what this box is going to deliver. It's going to be:
    - A Saorview tuner
    - A non-Freesat-approved satellite tuner (so no 7-day EPG)
    - Built-in RTE and TG4 player

    No IPTV channels, no UK catchup services, and I doubt very much it will have TV3 involvement for the on-demand stuff.

    Has it been confirmed that there will be a Sat tuner in this box?


  • #657
    Former Former
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,728 ✭✭✭Former Former


    Johnboy1951 wrote: »
    Has it been confirmed that there will be a Sat tuner in this box?

    Nothing has been confirmed. There were a couple of tweets from the Saorview account well over a year ago and one of the indicated a combo box would be available, but presumably a lot has changed since then, so who knows?


  • #658
    Johnboy1951
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,924 ✭✭✭✭Johnboy1951


    Former Former wrote: »
    Nothing has been confirmed. There were a couple of tweets from the Saorview account well over a year ago and one of the indicated a combo box would be available, but presumably a lot has changed since then, so who knows?

    A combo could be DTT & IP .......


  • #659
    Former Former
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,728 ✭✭✭Former Former


    Johnboy1951 wrote: »
    A combo could be DTT & IP .......

    Here it is:

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=100255934&postcount=523


  • #660
    Johnboy1951
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,924 ✭✭✭✭Johnboy1951


    Former Former wrote: »
    Here it is:

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=100255934&postcount=523

    Bless your memory! :D Much better than mine.

    Hopefully the specs have not changed and the box includes DVB-T, DVB-S tuners as well as open options to take content over internet connection.


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  • #661
    FRIENDO
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,417 ✭✭✭FRIENDO


    Former Former wrote:
    There are some seriously unrealistic expectations of what this box is going to deliver. It's going to be: - A Saorview tuner - A non-Freesat-approved satellite tuner (so no 7-day EPG) - Built-in RTE and TG4 player

    Starting off it should also have:
    Irish Radio app.
    A Spotlight section for setting recording, similar to the Saorview app.
    Being able to set recordings from the app when you are not at home.

    In the future we could see Netflix and TV3 apps also joining.


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